Petty up forward?

[FearTheBeard 932]

More than happy to say this wont be happening.

Even happier to say it wont be trialed when it is 1st v 2nd against a team with two monster Key forwards.

[GCDee 3,091]

We are yet to have a forwardline with gawn and the extra small. 

I think our best forwardline will be....

Fritta Gawn or Jackson Kozzie

Spargo BBB Beford

Smalls create space, create pressure, havoc and repeat entries. 

Prior to the bye we were sitting the ball on the heads or BBB, gawn, Weid and hoping they would clunk a pack mark. 

We have averaged over 100 points since the bye. The reality is we only need to score 85 to win.

[Sir Why You Little 35,071]

NO

PETTY IS A DEFENDER, and a very Solid one. Sadly Tomlinson seems to have lost mobility since the knee popped 

He would be a liability in September 

[Turner 1,483]

7 hours ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Tomlinson really blotted his copy book on Reid vs Sydney.  Was all at sea.  Sulked each time Reid beat him.  Hasn't stood out at Casey since.  He will only be depth.

I wouldn't be surprised if he (OOC 2023) gets a chat along the lines of:  'we are not sure what the future holds re senior games so you might like to look for new opportunities this year'.

iirc he came on a very good $ package so it would free up cap space for next year's contract renewals.

On Petty:  He is a defender.  He is May's understudy.  Leave him there. 

Tommo came in on 4yrs 500k if i recall correctly, you'd imagine that was front loaded given Trac, Oliver, Gawn, Viney Brayshaw AND Harmes werent resigned past 2023 at the time iirc therefore i'd imagine they would have had the money to spend at the time knowing they had big deals to secure towards the end of his deal

[Lucifers Hero 37,357]

4 minutes ago, Turner said:

Tommo came in on 4yrs 500k if i recall correctly, you'd imagine that was front loaded given Trac, Oliver, Gawn, Viney Brayshaw AND Harmes werent resigned past 2023 at the time iirc therefore i'd imagine they would have had the money to spend at the time knowing they had big deals to secure towards the end of his deal

We also recruited May, Lever and Langdon around that time so there is a lot of $ to balance the sal cap. I guess there is no way of knowing if there was front/back loading and who was affected.

Regardless, on a $500k package I wouldn't expect too much to be front (or back) loaded.

[Demon Disciple 11,143]

Petty is a more than capable defender, and with the likes of May and Lever, they form a very good defensive unit.

Look what happened when Trac played more minutes forward, it freed him up and he broke the shackles. The same would happen with Gawn. Play Jacko #1 ruck for a while (if he kills it, it will only drive his trade price up if he goes), plus Gawn as relieving ruck is a daunting prospect, and would take heat off Brown in the forward line.

Petty stays back

Edited July 5, 2022 by Demon Disciple

[Nicko 1,277]

a hard no from me - out backline is critical to our success….please don’t tinker with it 

[1964_2 2,357]

10 hours ago, tallstuey said:

With people like Tomlinson and Hunt ready to step in to the backline, am I the only deluded soul that thinks it might be time to try Harrisob Petty in the forward line again for a few games?

Our “forward line issues” are another media myth. 

Our system doesn’t rely on fwd line dominance. It relies on 2 way running, an elite defence, and best in comp midfield. We don’t have a scoring issue, when we are up and running (ie every week other than the loading impacted games) 

Most under-estimate the positive influence of a B.Brown just bringing the ball to ground when 1 on 2, or sometimes even 1 on 3. 

 

Other teams like Geelong or Carlton rely on fwd line dominance, and I think some in the media get confused and think that means we also need to have dominant forwards.
 

Edited July 5, 2022 by 1964_2

[Little Goffy 12,807]

If we had a second Petty I'd be all for it, but our backline relies on the near-telepathic cooperation between the defenders and Petty is doing an exceptional job. Both May and Lever can do their job much better because Petty is doing his so reliably.

Tragic for Tomlinson, but then again, Tomlinson could force himself into the team to cover a number of others so it is far from game over for him.

[1964_2 2,357]

1 hour ago, Demon Disciple said:

Petty is a more than capable defender, and with the likes of May and Lever, they form a very good defensive unit.

Look what happened when Trac played more minutes forward, it freed him up and he broke the shackles. The same would happen with Gawn. Play Jacko #1 ruck for a while (if he kills it, it will only drive his trade price up if he goes), plus Gawn as relieving ruck is a daunting prospect, and would take heat off Brown in the forward line.

Petty stays back

Agree with this. I think we learnt Sat arvo, that we don’t need Maxy’s taps in the middle. Get jacko in there, as an extra midfielder, and utilise Gawn’s marking strength fwd line and occasionally back. 

[BDA 20,743]

The games we're lost this year were in large part because we had defenders missing through injury or suspension (loading was also a factor in those losses)

Moral of the story. Don't mess with our defence. Leave Petty where he is

[monoccular 16,464]

12 hours ago, Sydee said:

Whilst it is very tempting to push Petty forward I think they will resist purely because our biggest strength is defence and he is a critical part of that structure 

If we had the luxury of Disco Turner with 25 games more and was performing well at senior level or say Joel Smith to take Petty's back six role then it would be more tempting - however we are not in that position

I really hope that when Joel Smith is fit again (fingers crossed) he gets a run in the forward half - there are few options down back without more injuries and I think he is too good to be languishing at Casey. He would imo offer a more competitive aerial option than BB with greater mobilty and capacity to apply F50 pressure. This is obviously dependent on TMac's availability 

Tomlinson is not the answer in the F50 imo he is not strong overhead and not quick enough to be effective on the lead

Sydee  - Interesting thoughts re the forgotten man, Joel Smith.   He has had a (small sample) history as a forward I believe in preseason games with some success.   If and when he recovers from his latest injury I would think coming back through Casey as a forward may be just what is needed.  He would certainly struggle to break into our defensive unit, at the moment.

 

6 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

NO

PETTY IS A DEFENDER, and a very Solid one. Sadly Tomlinson seems to have lost mobility since the knee popped 

He would be a liability in September 

Tomlinson may still be regaining strength and confidence in his knee, and remains a solid back up tall defender.   Perhaps it could be worth trialing him (or even Disco) as a forward next preseason.  

[Sir Why You Little 35,071]

10 minutes ago, monoccular said:

 

 

Tomlinson may still be regaining strength and confidence in his knee, and remains a solid back up tall defender.   Perhaps it could be worth trialing him (or even Disco) as a forward next preseason.  

Possibly because he is nowhere near the player he was before. He would struggle big time playing Finals as a defender 

[Webber 10,181]

From the moment he revealed his marking strength and competitive mongrel, I committed to believing he’d eventually be a forward, a la Neitz, Tmac. Still think it’ll go that way, but this year’s not the one. Maybe next year, when Disco Turner can take over his spot down back. 

[Demons1858 1,663]

23 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

haven't we gone over this umpteen dozen times on this board?

our entire successful structure is predicated on the tall triumvirate of may - lever - petty being in place down back

the coaching dept is, quite right, not going to mess with a good thing

Agree, look what happened to our result's when May went all in at Entrecote.

You wouldn't dismiss it as an option though within a must win game and we need a spark,  likewise May moving forward

Edited July 5, 2022 by Demons1858

[Redleg 38,131]

17 hours ago, GCDee said:

We are yet to have a forwardline with gawn and the extra small. 

I think our best forwardline will be....

Fritta Gawn or Jackson Kozzie

Spargo BBB Beford

Smalls create space, create pressure, havoc and repeat entries. 

Prior to the bye we were sitting the ball on the heads or BBB, gawn, Weid and hoping they would clunk a pack mark. 

We have averaged over 100 points since the bye. The reality is we only need to score 85 to win.

But to have one of the rucks forward means they are not getting a break.

[Redleg 38,131]

21 minutes ago, Webber said:

From the moment he revealed his marking strength and competitive mongrel, I committed to believing he’d eventually be a forward, a la Neitz, Tmac. Still think it’ll go that way, but this year’s not the one. Maybe next year, when Disco Turner can take over his spot down back. 

With Tom back for another season next year and Turner evolving down back there are more options. Getting another key forward remains a priority though and a depth ruckman.

[Deemania since 56 6,265]

23 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

haven't we gone over this umpteen dozen times on this board?

our entire successful structure is predicated on the tall triumvirate of may - lever - petty being in place down back

the coaching dept is, quite right, not going to mess with a good thing

... and leave the forward line static in injury-affected selection moments - far too conservative for modern football, too often. Yes, we have discussed this option far and wide on this board and the prominent potential that exists with Petty is plainly that his game has gone impressively well, improving match by match due mainly to his skills depths; albeit strong in the backline - yet we have regularly noted that at earlier times of less experience within a spattering of opportunities at selection and placement - Petty has done particularly well as a forward free from timidity (Weidemann) and bodily limitations (TMac, BBB, the other Brown) and learns his role very quickly, capably and presents a genuine threat to opposition arrogance.

 

[ArtificialWisdom 3,939]

I think with his marking ability and his mild success was down forward in the past. There is more than fair case that Petty could make it as a forward. However, Petty is May's heir apparent, He continues to take steps to be coming an elite defender.

Our long-term success is predicated on our defence remaining strong. We know that we've got Lever for years and a lot of younger small defenders. Developing a player like Turner to come in and play as the 3rd tall while Petty prepares to play the number 1 allows us to have a defence that will last for years. Moving Petty away now requires an emergency.

I don't think we're at that point, and frankly, I don't really think we're close to that point. The last two weeks we've tried a shorter forwardline and managed to score north of 90 both times, On top of that, it's encouraged faster ball movement which is also better for our mids. And allowed Brown to get more involved again even if he's not clunking big marks. So far this year we've only given up more than 80pts 3 times, As long as we can keep our average score above 80, I don't think the forward line is as big a problem as people think it is. 

Doesn't mean it's not frustrating at times, but a constant reliable defence is more important than the luxury of 1 maybe 2 forward contested marks a game. Use him as a swing man in game if we need but other than that just let him continue to develop and he may well turn into an All Australian as few years from now.