The other lens to this i think we cannot look past is the pressure it then puts on MFC to let LJ go in order to keep Brayshaw. Others have mentioned a conflict of interest here given it’s the same player manager and perhaps a ploy by Freo and the management company to give them some advantage in negotiations.
 

If that was ever the case, and I wouldn’t past player managers to sink this low, I’d be absolutely filthy. 

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

in caps

I know you're not in the habit of using them, but capital letters are very important dc.

It's the difference between helping your Uncle Jack off a horse and helping your uncle jack off a horse.

Player managers must sometimes drown in conflicts of interest.  I wonder if they have any code of ethics  to cover cases like the Brayshaw/Jackson one.  (rhetorical wondering I fear)    It's not just a simple case of doing their best for each player independently.

3 minutes ago, sue said:

Player managers must sometimes drown in conflicts of interest.  I wonder if they have any code of ethics  to cover cases like the Brayshaw/Jackson one.  (rhetorical wondering I fear)    It's not just a simple case of doing their best for each player independently.

i think their code of ethics is also referred to as their bank account

12 minutes ago, sue said:

Player managers must sometimes drown in conflicts of interest.  I wonder if they have any code of ethics  to cover cases like the Brayshaw/Jackson one.  (rhetorical wondering I fear)    It's not just a simple case of doing their best for each player independently.

I think it is a simple case.

Managers do talk to each other as well and have a fair idea what is happening around the clubs and if they didn’t, they wouldn’t be doing their job properly.

If he knows Jacko is leaving, he then gets the best price for Gus by the usual means, which includes interest from other clubs.

FWIW I think Jacko is clearly gone and Angus will stay for about a 5 year deal.

4 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I think it is a simple case.

Managers do talk to each other as well and have a fair idea what is happening around the clubs and if they didn’t, they wouldn’t be doing their job properly.

If he knows Jacko is leaving, he then gets the best price for Gus by the usual means, which includes interest from other clubs.

FWIW I think Jacko is clearly gone and Angus will stay for about a 5 year deal.

I don't think it can be that simple Redleg.   Do they have ethical standards preventing them revealing to player A what may be a confidential matter about player B without clearing it with B first?   And what if he doesn't know Jacko is leaving (say) and that he;s probably staying? Does he tell Gus to ask for more money elsewhere - that leaking out may negatively affect Jacko's negotiations.    They really need independent managers in such cases.

2 hours ago, Macca said:

And a pick around the 20 mark might deliver players such as Tapscott, Blease, Maric or Strauss (for a proven player like Brayshaw)

 

Hope you enjoy that little flashback, folks! haha

And a top 5 pick might get you a McLean, Sylvia, Morton, Watts, Scully or Trengove....

12 minutes ago, sue said:

I don't think it can be that simple Redleg.   Do they have ethical standards preventing them revealing to player A what may be a confidential matter about player B without clearing it with B first?   And what if he doesn't know Jacko is leaving (say) and that he;s probably staying? Does he tell Gus to ask for more money elsewhere - that leaking out may negatively affect Jacko's negotiations.    They really need independent managers in such cases.

Then you will need 800 managers, one for each player. Otherwise there is no way of stopping managers knowing things. Of course they do. They all talk to each other as well, as I said.

It is that simple.

The Manager doesn't have to tell Gus exactly what Jacko is doing, he just uses the info himself and tells Gus to leave it to him.

No Manager is going to go blurting to his clients what others get, unless it is public info.

They just get the deals done, all helped by inside info, which is part of their business skills.

Say a Manager has 4 players at one club and they all tell him the Coach is hopeless, obviously he would use that info to steer other clients away from that club.That is part of the job and nothing wrong with it.

 

Edited July 22, 20222 yr by Redleg

14 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

And a top 5 pick might get you a McLean, Sylvia, Morton, Watts, Scully or Trengove....

Which is why I would want a regular 22 player for us as part of any deal, plus a high pick and steak knives, like maybe Meek.

26 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

And a top 5 pick might get you a McLean, Sylvia, Morton, Watts, Scully or Trengove....

What a mightmare it turned out to be ... hard to believe that we didn't unearth 1 topliner with all those picks in the top 20

I accept the whole development angle and we weren't a greatly run club (prior to AFL intervention ... PJ & Roos) but you'd reckon that at least a couple of players could have shone through (?)

And then in steps JT turning draft picks into gold.  A big attribute of his has been his ability to turn 1st & 2nd round picks into solid talent (and premiership players)

Brown, Langdon, Hibberd, Melksham, Tomlinson, May, Lever all came to the club using draft picks that would have otherwise been used on 18yo's

As well as of course drafting 18yo's that have turned up trumps ... Oliver, Brayshaw, Petracca, Jackson, Kossie, Rivers, Bowey, Salem and various others

JT is a real success story and we have a lot to thank him for

But I highly doubt he'd be happy if we only ended up with pick 19 for Brayshaw

And I'm with Redleg, we won't be losing him

58 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Then you will need 800 managers, one for each player. Otherwise there is no way of stopping managers knowing things. Of course they do. They all talk to each other as well, as I said.

It is that simple.

The Manager doesn't have to tell Gus exactly what Jacko is doing, he just uses the info himself and tells Gus to leave it to him.

No Manager is going to go blurting to his clients what others get, unless it is public info.

They just get the deals done, all helped by inside info, which is part of their business skills.

Say a Manager has 4 players at one club and they all tell him the Coach is hopeless, obviously he would use that info to steer other clients away from that club.That is part of the job and nothing wrong with it.

 

Of course 800 managers is impossible.  And everything you say is true.  But I still see the potential for conflicts of interest (without blurting).  So in the absence of 800 managers, any professional body should have  a code of ethics to manage that and minimise such conflicts.  I doubt player managers do (but of course I don't know).

edit to add:  Since managers presumably get a percentage of the players income, there is a conflict right there if they are representing 2 players in a Brayshaw/Jackson situtation. Unless of course  they have no incentive in maximising their own income.....

They might push Jackson to accept less from Freo  (without saying why) to enable Brashaw to get more out of MFC.  No reason to assume this would be financially neutral for the manager.    (For the purposes of saving DLand from litigation :)> I am not suggesting any naughty behaviour by their particular manager, just using those familiar names to make the general point.)

Edited July 22, 20222 yr by sue

59 minutes ago, sue said:

Of course 800 managers is impossible.  And everything you say is true.  But I still see the potential for conflicts of interest (without blurting).  So in the absence of 800 managers, any professional body should have  a code of ethics to manage that and minimise such conflicts.  I doubt player managers do (but of course I don't know).

edit to add:  Since managers presumably get a percentage of the players income, there is a conflict right there if they are representing 2 players in a Brayshaw/Jackson situtation. Unless of course  they have no incentive in maximising their own income.....

They might push Jackson to accept less from Freo  (without saying why) to enable Brashaw to get more out of MFC.  No reason to assume this would be financially neutral for the manager.    (For the purposes of saving DLand from litigation :)> I am not suggesting any naughty behaviour by their particular manager, just using those familiar names to make the general point.)

Sue, they do have a code of behaviour, but as in any business/profession, you just hope they are behaving honestly and ethically. 

Brayshaw will be gone by years end.

11 minutes ago, COOLX said:

Brayshaw will be gone by years end.

long year to play out yet...

tbh he's not in my top ten most important players to our side; i'd have him behind all of may, salem, petracca, viney, lever, gawn, oliver, langdon, plugger mac. and fritsch

a very good player nevertheless

22 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

And a top 5 pick might get you a McLean, Sylvia, Morton, Watts, Scully or Trengove....

I think their careers would have panned out differently if they arrived at MFC now.  All could play.

There’s nothing I have to go on with this but I think Gus will stay, LJ feels gone to me which hurts but he helped us break the drought so it’ll be hard to stay too mad at him (as long as we get good compensation). Gus always seems to show a passion for Melbourne that’s only met by Viney and Petracca, whether that translates into him staying I don’t know but I reckon he and his manager are doing what Viney did last year. Play the field to make sure they maximise the contract. 

23 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

And a top 5 pick might get you a McLean, Sylvia, Morton, Watts, Scully or Trengove....

I'd take a fit Trengove any day of the week.

 Bernie Vince said on triple M this morning he thinks Brayshaw will leave 🤦‍♂️

On 7/22/2022 at 9:28 AM, KingDingAling said:

Get Acres in the Jackson deal. If we lose Gus, send Acres to the wing and Jordon to fill Gus role down back. We don’t lose too much there. Get Meek in the Jackson deal also to back up Gawn in the ruck. 

Acres is a turnover merchant that St Kilda were happy to let go...

1 hour ago, Left Foot Snap said:

I'd take a fit Trengove any day of the week.

Nah.

25 minutes ago, Vineytime said:

 Bernie Vince said on triple M this morning he thinks Brayshaw will leave 🤦‍♂️

Wow. I don’t understand why Bradshaw and Jackson are even entertaining leaving the club - it’s all very bizarre to me.

 

3 hours ago, A F said:

Nah.

You may be forgetting how good he was at the start before the dreaded foot settled in.

Brayshaws manager back from overseas this week and Melbourne are going to meet with him.

People are speculating brayshaw will leave because he wants to play midfield. I hope not

2 hours ago, Left Foot Snap said:

You may be forgetting how good he was at the start before the dreaded foot settled in.

No we're not.

Trengove was good, but it wasn't up to the standard and class of Brayshaw.