18 hours ago, Nascent said:

In theory would get a bounty for Jackson but I'm no longer sure that's realistic. West Coast can't trade their first round pick as they need to use it this year to satisfy AFLs rules.

WCE can trade their 'natural' pick, likely to be #1 or #2 as long as they get one back for this draft.  I see them trade their 'natural' pick for two first round picks, possibly two top in the top 10  Then they use the best +/- something else for Jackson and the other for one of the highly rated WA draftees and meet AFL rules.. 

 

If they really want to kick start their rebuild they can then trade up some of their later 2022 picks or 2023 picks for another 2022 first round pick.  If they finish last, they also have pick #19 which is highly valued because it is the first pick of round 2 and usually highly sought. 

So they could easily have 4 picks in the top 20. There are 3-4 highly rated WA players in the top 20 so I reckon they will be aiming to max their draft currency via trading of picks.  Further currency if they trade players.

What would they give up for Jackson?  Would they be happy to wait two years to get him?  Who knows. 

Edited May 29, 20222 yr by Lucifers Hero

11 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

WCE can trade their 'natural' pick, likely to be #1 or #2 as long as they get one back for this draft.  I see them trade their 'natural' pick for two first round picks, possibly two top in the top 10  Then they use the best +/- something else for Jackson and the other for one of the highly rated WA draftees and meet AFL rules.. 

 

If they really want to kick start their rebuild they can then trade up some of their later 2022 picks or 2023 picks for another 2022 first round pick.  If they finish last, they also have pick #19 which is highly valued because it is the first pick of round 2 and usually highly sought. 

So they could easily have 4 picks in the top 20. There are 3-4 highly rated WA players in the top 20 so I reckon they will be aiming to max their draft currency via trading of picks.  Further currency if they trade players.

What would they give up for Jackson?  Would they be happy to wait two years to get him?  Who knows. 

Yes all fair comments and there are multiple avenues around the AFL rules or that they would be satisfied with. Another posted highlighted the rolling first round pick requirements is designed around protecting clubs from trading away their future. As Jackson is a young 20-21yr old key position player that has a premiership and rising star award to his name, it shouldn't be hard to argue to the AFL that he would kick start their rebuild rather than hinder it.

As an aside, its interesting to note that only one team has multiple first round picks in this draft (so far) being the swans. As it stands they have pick 12 and pick 18, which of course came from us originally.

For Jackson, I would want at least one top 3-5 pick and another in the top 10. Even then I wouldn't be happy and would rather keep Jackson.

19 minutes ago, Nascent said:

Yes all fair comments and there are multiple avenues around the AFL rules or that they would be satisfied with. Another posted highlighted the rolling first round pick requirements is designed around protecting clubs from trading away their future. As Jackson is a young 20-21yr old key position player that has a premiership and rising star award to his name, it shouldn't be hard to argue to the AFL that he would kick start their rebuild rather than hinder it.

As an aside, its interesting to note that only one team has multiple first round picks in this draft (so far) being the swans. As it stands they have pick 12 and pick 18, which of course came from us originally.

For Jackson, I would want at least one top 3-5 pick and another in the top 10. Even then I wouldn't be happy and would rather keep Jackson.

On the last para - it won't be up to us.  If Jackson decides to go and picks Eagles we would not and really could not refuse to trade.  If we did they would walk him to the PSD.

But I don't think it would come to that.  My observation is that WCE are 'honest brokers' as are we.  But their backs are against the wall so who knows how they would play a potential Jackson trade.

As an aside, if he chose to go I would rather he chooses Eagles than Freo not only because they have better picks but I think Bell is less than an 'honest broker' and like his Ess counterpart wants to 'win every trade'!  While the Hogan trade didn't work out for them Bell played a lot of games with us and their best draft picks.

But lets hope he stays and it is all hypothetical.

Edited May 29, 20222 yr by Lucifers Hero

If Dogga does go home this year it almost has to be West Coast.  I can see West Coast keeping Nic Nat on for an extra year as a recruitment incentive to get him.  I don't think there's any doubt they will make him a massive offer and one far in excess of what we can. 

The issue with Freo is salary cap.  Lobb might be leaving at the end of the year due to TPP pressure (they tried to manoeuvre him out last year).  I'm not sure that the Cerra for Jackson trade was ever a live option, because although Cerra would have come to us there's no visibility on whether Dogga would have gone to Freo or that they could have fitted him into their TPP. 

On SEN Goodwin just talked very confidently about Jackson staying.

29 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

On SEN Goodwin just talked very confidently about Jackson staying.

You just made my day. 🤞

On 5/28/2022 at 11:36 PM, dee-tox said:

Bluey and Olisik are back! Dees must have lost...!

With that said, must say Jackson's form this year has been ordinary. 

They are both just trolls and should be ignored.  

37 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

On SEN Goodwin just talked very confidently about Jackson staying.

Thanks Lucy.  Great and wide ranging interview.  Gee Goody is on top of his game in the media these days.

https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=1001738

On 5/28/2022 at 9:07 PM, olisik said:

Thanks Werribee. Agree pick 1 is exactly what we need right now. Midfield was putrid with sick Petracca and Oliver tagged. 

What's the guff on him as a player this season? Has he had a chance to impress at any level? The reason that I ask is he seems off the radar in 2022, despite some very big claims about him in 2021 - has anyone been watching over in WA?

By the way Oliver's tag wouldn't have happened with Harmes in the side. I also think there were a couple of other flow on effects in that game against Freo which we had the "inside info on" but didn't use it.

1 hour ago, Lucifers Hero said:

On the last para - it won't be up to us.  If Jackson decides to go and picks Eagles we would not and really could not refuse to trade.  If we did they would walk him to the PSD.

Of course, that's just what I would want for him and not what I realistically expect will happen. I agree that I'd much rather deal with the Eagles than freo but moreso for it all to be irrelevant in a month's time when he signs his 10 year contract 

9 hours ago, Nascent said:

Of course, that's just what I would want for him and not what I realistically expect will happen. I agree that I'd much rather deal with the Eagles than freo but moreso for it all to be irrelevant in a month's time when he signs his 10 year contract 

Ralph on On the couch saying Jackson still not willing to sign contract at this stage.

5 minutes ago, loges said:

Ralph on On the couch saying Jackson still not willing to sign contract at this stage.

The point is he wouldn't know.

1 minute ago, drysdale demon said:

The point is he wouldn't know.

Let's hope so 

11 minutes ago, loges said:

Ralph on On the couch saying Jackson still not willing to sign contract at this stage.

well that is pretty evident, even for blind freddy

10 hours ago, willmoy said:

By the way Oliver's tag wouldn't have happened with Harmes in the side. I also think there were a couple of other flow on effects in that game against Freo which we had the "inside info on" but didn't use it.

The Oliver tag wouldn’t have had an impact if Trac was at 100% 

Edited May 30, 20222 yr by Demons11

15 minutes ago, loges said:

Let's hope so 

He is just full of sh*t, it amazes me that some people get paid for being fools.

38 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

The Oliver tag wouldn’t have had an impact if Trac was at 100% 

Oliver sat on the bench a lot. The Aish tag is overrated, as Oliver was benched for 10 minutes after his great start, then benched again later on for a more than usual amount of time. When Oliver was up and about could Aish have stopped him? No. 

10 hours ago, willmoy said:

By the way Oliver's tag wouldn't have happened with Harmes in the side. I also think there were a couple of other flow on effects in that game against Freo which we had the "inside info on" but didn't use it.

Harmes, the most underrated player since James McDonald 

On 5/29/2022 at 5:44 PM, McQueen said:

I understand he’s bought a property in Wembley - next door to Jesse. 

Jesse who?

1 hour ago, Demons11 said:

The Oliver tag wouldn’t have had an impact if Trac was at 100% 

For sure.... and Harmes back in will add the depth extra grunt factor plus a mid who pushes forward a fair bit.

Jackson has been underperforming this year has had only a handful of good games by his standards so far.

I wonder whether the drop in attitude is anything to go by.

I dare say if he keeps this up I’ll be starting to turn on all of this trade nonsense.

14 minutes ago, CYB said:

Jackson has been underperforming this year has had only a handful of good games by his standards so far.

I wonder whether the drop in attitude is anything to go by.

I dare say if he keeps this up I’ll be starting to turn on all of this trade nonsense.

Kid is in his third year, playing a role most third year players couldn’t, coming off of delivering in a grand final In his second season. He is the cornerstone or our future. It’s absolutely imperative we sign him. If we can help Jackson see the duration at MFC, we stay strong for the next decade. A good ruck goes a long long way. Many believe a good ruck is a useless player to have. But there’s no coincidence the reigning premiers are heavily aided by having the leagues most dominant ruck man. 

Luke Jackson 21 v 22

12.8

Disposals

14.8

3.0

Marks

3.4

2.0

Tackles

2.8

10.6	Hitouts	9.7
1.2	Inside 50s	2.0
0.3	Goal Assists	0.4
1.0	Frees For	1.7
0.5	Frees Against	0.8
6.5	Contested Possessions	8.0
6.6	Uncontested Possessions	7.5
9.8	Effective Disposals	12.2
76.6%	Disposal Efficiency %	82.4%

1.0	Contested Marks	1.2
0.9	Marks Inside 50	0.4
1.5	Clearances	2.5
0.3	Rebound 50s	0.5
1.5	One Percenters	2.1

0.6	Centre Clearances	1.1
0.9	Stoppage Clearances	1.4
4.6	Score Involvements	4.8
120.0	Metres Gained	138.1
2.1	Turnovers	1.3

All signs point to a year of growth.. the slows on him are unbelievable.. he is improving.. think people thought he should be winning a brownlow this year.

After Round 11 last year he had 4 goals.. he has 5 this year.

 

I thought his parents were moving over here? He may want to go to Perth for other reasons. I hope not.