Yeah two first rounders and a second os a good start for negotiation. Cough up posers.

6 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

fwiw, from the sun:

Melbourne says it wants two first-rounders and a second-rounder or two picks within 10 (including one within the first seven picks) for Jackson.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/moneyball-afl-trades-all-the-latest-news-and-whispers-on-potential-2022-player-movement/news-story/1855f1401433f17306a756a3e7f5405a

first time i've seen it said what we are chasing for dog

If this is our opening stance for the negotiation, clearly we will end up getting less than this in the end. 

Sadly only 2.5 weeks of this left at most.

Edited September 23, 20222 yr by Redleg

Posters forget that we'll be having discussions with several list managers about hypothetical pick swaps to move up the draft order before the Jackson/Freo trade gets done. 

What's of interest to me is more around what the Freo picks will allow us to do rather than whether or not they can acquire a specific pick, because I'm not sure the club will be happy waiting until deadline day for Freo to find a way to get a pick inside 5, as an example. So if they end up paying overs in the way of lower end first rounders and a second rounder, that's fine. 

It'll give us more opportunity at doing what we're widely acknowledged of being masters at which is moving up the draft. And it'll give us great flexibility early on to trade for a player too. 

There's no loss in this for us, the club will have all bases covered. And even if the pick numbers for the Jackson trade seem underwhelming when it gets done, I'd wait until the end of the trade period and draft night before judging our net result. 

 

8 minutes ago, JimmyGadson said:

Posters forget that we'll be having discussions with several list managers about hypothetical pick swaps to move up the draft order before the Jackson/Freo trade gets done. 

What's of interest to me is more around what the Freo picks will allow us to do rather than whether or not they can acquire a specific pick, because I'm not sure the club will be happy waiting until deadline day for Freo to find a way to get a pick inside 5, as an example. So if they end up paying overs in the way of lower end first rounders and a second rounder, that's fine. 

It'll give us more opportunity at doing what we're widely acknowledged of being masters at which is moving up the draft. And it'll give us great flexibility early on to trade for a player too. 

There's no loss in this for us, the club will have all bases covered. And even if the pick numbers for the Jackson trade seem underwhelming when it gets done, I'd wait until the end of the trade period and draft night before judging our net result. 

 

The club do always say that the trade period for them is not about winning individual trades, but is about the total sum of who we bring in vs who we let go

21 minutes ago, JimmyGadson said:

Posters forget that we'll be having discussions with several list managers about hypothetical pick swaps to move up the draft order before the Jackson/Freo trade gets done. 

What's of interest to me is more around what the Freo picks will allow us to do rather than whether or not they can acquire a specific pick, because I'm not sure the club will be happy waiting until deadline day for Freo to find a way to get a pick inside 5, as an example. So if they end up paying overs in the way of lower end first rounders and a second rounder, that's fine. 

It'll give us more opportunity at doing what we're widely acknowledged of being masters at which is moving up the draft. And it'll give us great flexibility early on to trade for a player too. 

There's no loss in this for us, the club will have all bases covered. And even if the pick numbers for the Jackson trade seem underwhelming when it gets done, I'd wait until the end of the trade period and draft night before judging our net result. 

 

My feeling on this is we're more interested in players that can impact immediately in 2023 than moving up the draft.

If a player can help us then we'll probsbly consider them. I think recycled project players are out.

 

Any chance of a summary of what “good deal” they have cooked up?

21 minutes ago, Gorgoroth said:

Any chance of a summary of what “good deal” they have cooked up?

Nothing overly exciting. Just saying Dockers trading Lobb to Bulldogs for Pick 29 will go along way to helping get the Jackson deal done, noting the Dockers are also trying to get Jeremy Sharp from Gold Coast.

Not sure if already mentioned, in terms of phantom drafts where is the no.1 ranked player from WA and what position does he play. I’m looking at this from the Eagles POV, if the top ten ranked juniors are all from Victoria surely that has to be factored in when deciding if pick 2 should be part of a deal for Jackson.

59 minutes ago, MadAsHell said:

Nothing overly exciting. Just saying Dockers trading Lobb to Bulldogs for Pick 29 will go along way to helping get the Jackson deal done, noting the Dockers are also trying to get Jeremy Sharp from Gold Coast.

So what are we getting? According to the paywalled HUN article? Any mention of that? Seems to be left out every time they discuss the trade

Just had a look at one draft, the top twelve consists of one from SA, two from WA and the rest from Victoria.

8. Jedd Busslinger (Western Australia - East Perth)

The leading key defender in this year's draft class, Busslinger is an elite intercept mark with his early read of the ball in flight who attack on the ball aerially plucks the ball out of the air. With ball in hand Busslinger is a composed and reliable ball user while defensively he is competitive and able to curb the influence of his direct opponent.

The 197cm key defender averaged 23.8 disposals and eight marks in the WAFL Colts this year and 22 disposals and seven marks in his two Under-18 Championships games before deciding to undergo season ending shoulder surgery.

August Ranking: 7

 

12. Elijah Hewett (Western Australia - Swan Districts)

Hewett is a strong contested ball-winning mid whose power when exiting stoppages is notable.

With good speed, agility and evasion, Hewett is at his most damaging at speed either winning loose balls one-touch on the move at speed, or receiving on the move. Hewett displays damaging skills by foot whether he is locating and hitting inside 50 targets or finishing around goal himself, particularly when given time and space with ball in hand. He has also shown that he can be an aerial threat, taking some high-flying marks this season.

A big game player who routinely stars on the big stage, Hewett was arguably the Swan Districts most influential in their WAFL Colts premiership triumph against Claremont in 2021, and best afield the following week for Western Australia against South Australia. His best performance this year came during the Under-18 Championships for Western Australia against Championships favourite Victoria Metro, with game highs of 29 disposals, 11 inside 50s, five score assists, a team high five clearances and an equal team high of two goals. Spending all but one game this season in the WAFL against League opposition, Hewett has grown in confidence over the course of the season and has kicked one goal in each of his past four matches.

August Ranking: 10

 

Interesting times ahead, how much importance is placed on go home factor. Is pick 2 for Jackson a better option than the two players listed above or a higher ranked  Victorian kid who can do to them what Jackson has done to us minus the flag.

 

54 minutes ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

So what are we getting? According to the paywalled HUN article? Any mention of that? Seems to be left out every time they discuss the trade

Either two top 10 picks or two first round picks and a 2nd round pick (probably where Lobb to Dogs comes in).

2 hours ago, MadAsHell said:

Nothing overly exciting. Just saying Dockers trading Lobb to Bulldogs for Pick 29 will go along way to helping get the Jackson deal done, noting the Dockers are also trying to get Jeremy Sharp from Gold Coast.

With Bell-end behind the wheel I’m expecting him to trade in other players eg Sharp before he gets to the jackson deal 

Well I look forward to the next “fact” in this thread of 231 pages to date, as so far it could be argued, that the only fact posted, is that “LJ is leaving.”

Jacko settling in well with his new teammates..

 

9 hours ago, MadAsHell said:

Either two top 10 picks or two first round picks and a 2nd round pick (probably where Lobb to Dogs comes in).

How are they getting two top 10 picks ? 

33 minutes ago, Sydee said:

How are they getting two top 10 picks ? 

Your guess is as good as mine.

31 minutes ago, Sydee said:

How are they getting two top 10 picks ? 

Usual ways - trading players and swapping picks 

7 minutes ago, MadAsHell said:

Your guess is as good as mine.

Or two firsts and a second is on brief, isn’t it? This yr 1st/next yr 1st/ this yr second

Heard that Port's pick 8 might be involved. I'm guessing 8 and a future first will get it done considering he's out of contract. 

4 minutes ago, mmwd6 said:

Heard that Port's pick 8 might be involved. I'm guessing 8 and a future first will get it done considering he's out of contract. 

 

So if we're going for at least one top 10 pick, do people think this will be for a trade of our own or we have our eye on someone in the draft?

Would love it if we could use picks from LJ to chase a KFP like Naughton.