Jump to content

Farewell Luke Jackson

Lucifers Hero
Lucifers Hero
in Melbourne Demons

Featured Replies

1 minute ago, layzie said:

Never really one to run with sources but I've heard from one who claims to have heard that LJ is flip flopping all over the place on this. Like a bit of a scatter-brain Jane. 

Great to hear! 

Fri night has to make him think twice. In terms of showing the gap between us and Freo. 
 

  • Quote
    • Like 1
     
    Just now, 1964_2 said:

    Great to hear! 

    Fri night has to make him think twice. In terms of showing the gap between us and Freo. 
     

    Don't look into it too much 1964_2 but it would make sense if it was the case. He's 20 and probably a young 20 to be fair, massive decision for anyone to make let alone a kid. 

  • Quote
    • Like 5
    28 minutes ago, layzie said:

    Never really one to run with sources but I've heard from one who claims to have heard that LJ is flip flopping all over the place on this. Like a bit of a scatter-brain Jane. 

    I have no sources, but this kind of supports my thinking on this whole situation (and the vibe I have picked up on based on zero evidence) You would think if this was the case though his manager would advise him to stay another two years and be mentored by the best ruck in the comp and possibly win another flag and then cash in on the big bucks. 

  • Quote
    • Like 2
     
    1 minute ago, deeTRACted said:

    I have no sources, but this kind of supports my thinking on this whole situation (and the vibe I have picked up on based on zero evidence) You would think if this was the case though his manager would advise him to stay another two years and be mentored by the best ruck in the comp and possibly win another flag and then cash in on the big bucks. 

    In times like this you do wonder if the player is getting the best possible representation from their manager. The career is short and all that he they want to get their client the best deal but you have to think of the mental effect on a young kid as well. 

  • Quote
    • Like 1

    2 minutes ago, Alex Flood said:

    Now that Gus has signed, does anyone know the most money we can give Jackson ?

    What do you think?

  • Quote
    2 minutes ago, Alex Flood said:

    Now that Gus has signed, does anyone know the most money we can give Jackson ?

    Most of the rest.

  • Quote
    • Like 2
    3 minutes ago, Alex Flood said:

    Now that Gus has signed, does anyone know the most money we can give Jackson ?

    Wish I could Alex. Would need at least a ball park figure of every players' contract and then there's how all contracts are structured. 

    Fair to say it's considerably less than what Freo can offer, especially if they offload Lobb. 

  • Quote
    •  
    2 hours ago, Lefty said:

    Honestly what else is Max going to say when asked about Jackson and his contract?

    Honestly…he didn’t have to say anything!!

  • Quote
    • Like 3
    25 minutes ago, deeTRACted said:

    I have no sources, but this kind of supports my thinking on this whole situation (and the vibe I have picked up on based on zero evidence) You would think if this was the case though his manager would advise him to stay another two years and be mentored by the best ruck in the comp and possibly win another flag and then cash in on the big bucks. 

    But the big bucks (and long contract) are already (allegedly) being offered. Things could go wrong in those two years. There’s no way his manager would give him the advice you suggest. 

  • Quote
    • Like 1

    3 minutes ago, Deestar9 said:

    Honestly…he didn’t have to say anything!!

    Pretty much! He went above and beyond. 

  • Quote
    • Like 2

    I love Max. He handles this stuff so well, and is very good at reminding everyone that these are young people we are talking about - and not just operational assets.

  • Quote
    • Like 7
    • Love 1

    i'm flip flopping too.

    As much as I want to keep him, I would rather let him go and trust our list management to use the collateral wisely to ensure we are in the premiership window for a few more years given we have locked up our stars.

    I think there would have been more damage to the culture of the club, and our chances or multiple premierships,  if we lost Gus to keep LJ. I sort of feel the same way about the likes of Harmes and anyone else we feel is important to the soul of the club or the future who could be colateral damage to his contract.

    If he wants to stay, and will accept what we can offer for 2 years, then great. I don't think we can afford to blow up our list to keep him by trying to match the dockers. Lets be a Geelong, Hawthorn, Richmond - not a 1 off wonder like Pies, Dogs, WCE etc.

  • Quote
    • Like 5
    19 hours ago, D4Life said:

    Tom Papley picked Carlton, last I looked he is still in Sydney at the Swans!

    Papley still had 3 years to run on a contract, so that’s a very different  argument 

    Edited by Demons11

  • Quote
    • Like 2
    18 hours ago, CYB said:

    Yeah but it’s clubs that release them from their contracts. 

    AS far as I’m concerned he says he wants to be closer to family and the Eagles can also make that possible. They have a better draft hand so id put that to Peter Bell  and say come to us with something palatable or don’t waste our time. 

    Worst case is LJ signs with us for another 2. He still won’t become a RFA or FA at the end of that, so we can happily do the same again.
     

    He is out of contract, so they have nothing to hold him to.  Players pick the club they want to be traded to and 99/100 it gets done.  Just because WC has a better draft hand, doesn’t mean LJ is happy to go there.  You are living in fantasy land if you think this is how it works 

    Edited by Demons11

  • Quote
    • Like 2

    I like how ‘he will stay’ or ‘he will go’ ebbs and flows dependent a lot on what the latest comments or opinions are made by the media.

    Just for the hell of it I’ll throw in one totally unsubstantiated or fact backed opinion, in fact it is more of a dream.

    He takes on another two more years with us and we snag another two and look like we can get a couple more.  In the meantime Freo’s window looks like it’s closing a bit and Jacko has had 2 more years to mature and consider his future. 

    I would like to think he just might want to continue the journey with us.

    Just dreaming, that’s all.  GO DEES 

  • Quote

    Maybe he reads demonland and will base his decision on the responses in this thread. 

  • Quote

    A poster said we are heavily into Grundy and may even have a deal in place.

    I wouldn't think that would be true, if we retain Jacko.

  • Quote
    21 minutes ago, spalding said:

    As much as I want to keep him, I would rather let him go and trust our list management to use the collateral wisely to ensure we are in the premiership window for a few more years given we have locked up our stars.

    This is a sensible view Earl, but in my humble opinion Dogga was a key (if not the key) point of difference between us winning the flag and not. That 3rd quarter. It's one thing to be in a premiership window, but it's another to get over the line in that final game. I'm torn between having a Geelong length run in finals but going nowhere vs Brisbane three-peat then falling off the cliff. I think I'd rather take the Brisbane scenario, and for that I reckon we need to keep Jackson.

  • Quote
    • Like 1

    33 minutes ago, spalding said:

    i'm flip flopping too.

    As much as I want to keep him, I would rather let him go and trust our list management to use the collateral wisely to ensure we are in the premiership window for a few more years given we have locked up our stars.

    I think there would have been more damage to the culture of the club, and our chances or multiple premierships,  if we lost Gus to keep LJ. I sort of feel the same way about the likes of Harmes and anyone else we feel is important to the soul of the club or the future who could be colateral damage to his contract.

    If he wants to stay, and will accept what we can offer for 2 years, then great. I don't think we can afford to blow up our list to keep him by trying to match the dockers. Lets be a Geelong, Hawthorn, Richmond - not a 1 off wonder like Pies, Dogs, WCE etc.

    Yep, wise words Spalding. Can't be breaking the bank to keep him.

  • Quote

    Its a very curious thing for Max to go with, could easily have just said the old we "will resepct his decision.... "

     

     

  • Quote
    • Like 2
    2 hours ago, layzie said:

    Never really one to run with sources but I've heard from one who claims to have heard that LJ is flip flopping all over the place on this. Like a bit of a scatter-brain Jane. 

     

    59 minutes ago, Redleg said:

    I wonder if that is to calm the masses and the media.

    Between this, and the other messages from the club in the last week, I think we've got a clear strategy on how to manage this. Radical empathy.

    We're not going to pressure the kid. It's his decision and we'll put a case forward at negotiations, but more importantly he is part of the team and enjoys being here. If he leaves that next year fine, but while he is here enjoy it.

    This demonstration of cultural excellence and empathy, is a big counter offer in itself when the other club and media are heaping pressure on you.

    Edited by deanox

  • Quote
    • Like 14
    • Love 2
     
    1 hour ago, In Harmes Way said:

    Most of the rest.

    The thing with Gus could have been years more than money. The club may have wanted to offer 4, Gus may have wanted 7 and they finally settled on 6. $$$ would have been part of it, but there are many other factors. 

    Also with a contract that long, they may have backloaded to allow a 2 year contract extension for LJ in case he wants to stay. 

    Where there is a will there is a way. 

  • Quote
    • Like 1

    Join the conversation

    You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

    Guest
    Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
    Reply to this topic...
    Go to topic listing

    Featured Content

    • NON-MFC: Round 10

      The Sir Doug Nicholls Round kicks off in Darwin with a Top 4 clash between the Suns and the Hawks. On Friday night the Swans will be seeking to rebound from a challenging start to the season, while the Blues have the Top 8 in their sights after their sluggish start. Saturdays matches kick off with a blockbuster between the Collingwood and Kuwarna with the Magpies looking to maintain their strong form and the Crows aiming to make a statement on the road. The Power face a difficult task to revive their season against a resilient Cats side looking to make amends for their narrow loss last week. The Giants aim to reinforce their top-eight status, while the Dockers will be looking to break the travel hoodoo. The sole Saturday game is a critical matchup for both teams, as the Bulldogs strive to cemet their spot in the top six and the Bombers desperately want break into the 8. Sundays start with a bottom 3 clash between the Tigers and Kangaroos with both teams wanting to avoid the being in wooden spoon contention. The Round concludes with the Eagles still searching for their first win of the season, while the Saints look to keep their finals hopes alive with a crucial away victory. Who are you tipping and what are the best results for the Demons?

        • Thanks
      • 1 reply
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • PREVIEW: Brisbane

      And just like that, we’re Narrm again. Even though the annual AFL Sir Doug Nicholls Round which commemorates the contributions of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander culture to our game has been a welcome addition to our calendar for ten years, more lately it has been a portent of tough times ahead for we beleaguered Narrm supporters. Ever since the club broke through for its historic 2021 premiership, this has become a troubling time of the year for the club. For example, it all began when Melbourne rebranded itself as Narrm across the two rounds of the Sir Doug Nicholls Round to become the first club to adopt an Indigenous club name especially for the occasion. It won its first outing under the brand against lowly North Melbourne to go to 10 wins and no losses but not without a struggle or a major injury to  star winger Ed Langdon who broke his ribs and missed several weeks. In the following week, still as Narrm, the team’s 17 game winning streak came to an end at the hands of the Dockers. That came along with more injuries, a plague that remained with them for the remainder of the season until, beset by injuries, the Dees were eliminated from the finals in straight sets. It was even worse last year, when Narrm inexplicably lowered its colours in Perth to the Waalit Marawar Eagles. Oh, the shame of it all! At least this year, if there is a corner to turn around, it has to be in the direction of something better. To that end, I produced a special pre-game chant in the local Narrm language - “nam mi:wi winnamun katjil prolin ambi ngamar thamelin amb” which roughly translated is “every heart beats true for the red and the blue.” >y belief is that if all of the Narrm faithful recite it long enough, then it might prove to be the only way to beat the Brisbane Lions at the Gabba on Sunday. The Lions are coming off a disappointing draw at Marvel Stadium against a North Melbourne team that lacks the ability and know how to win games (except when playing Melbourne). Brisbane are, however, a different kettle of fish at home and have very few positional weaknesses. They are a midfield powerhouse, strong in defence and have plenty of forward options, particularly their small and medium sized players, to kick a winning score this week after the sting of last week’s below par performance.

        • Clap
        • Thanks
        • Like
      • 9 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • REPORT: Hawthorn

      There was a time during the current Melbourne cycle that goes back to before the premiership when the club was the toughest to beat in the fourth quarter. The Demons were not only hard to beat at any time but it was virtually impossible to get the better them when scores were close at three quarter time. It was only three or four years ago but they were fit, strong and resilient in body and mind. Sadly, those days are over. This has been the case since the club fell off its pedestal about 12 months ago after it beat Geelong and then lost to Carlton. In both instances, Melbourne put together strong, stirring final quarters, one that resulted in victory, the other, in defeat. Since then, the drop off has been dramatic to the point where it can neither pull off victory in close matches, nor can it even go down in defeat  gallantly.

        • Clap
        • Thanks
        • Like
      • 0 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • CASEY: Footscray

      At twenty-four minutes into the third term of the game between the Casey Demons and Footscray VFL at Whitten Oval, the visitors were coasting. They were winning all over the ground, had the ascendancy in the ruck battles and held a 26 point lead on a day perfect for football. What could go wrong? Everything. The Bulldogs moved into overdrive in the last five minutes of the term and booted three straight goals to reduce the margin to a highly retrievable eight points at the last break. Bouyed by that effort, their confidence was on a high level during the interval and they ran all over the despondent Demons and kicked another five goals to lead by a comfortable margin of four goals deep into the final term before Paddy Cross kicked a couple of too late goals for a despondent Casey. A testament to their lack of pressure in the latter stages of the game was the fact that Footscray’s last ten scoring shots were nine goals and one rushed behind. Things might have been different for the Demons who went into the game after last week’s bye with 12 AFL listed players. Blake Howes was held over for the AFL game but two others, Jack Billings and Taj Woewodin (not officially listed as injured) were also missing and they could have been handy at the end. Another mystery of the current VFL system.

        • Thanks
      • 0 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • PREGAME: Brisbane

      The Demons head back out on the road in Round 10 when they travel to Queensland to take on the reigning Premiers and the top of the table Lions who look very formidable. Can the Dees cause a massive upset? Who comes in and who goes out?

        • Thanks
        • Like
      • 140 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • PODCAST: Hawthorn

      The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 12th May @ 8:00pm. Join Binman, George & I as we dissect the Demons loss to the Hawks. Your questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show. If you would like to leave us a voicemail please call 03 9016 3666 and don't worry no body answers so you don't have to talk to a human.

        • Clap
        • Thanks
        • Like
      • 52 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland
    View All