JT got too cute taking a 'ruck' who can't mark

Jacko is a natural mid but Goody will never play him there 

Edited July 23, 20222 yr by adonski

5 minutes ago, Travy14 said:

No big trades like this end up really hurting side they leave.

at the end of the day we are going to get a good deal for a kid who "could" be a gun.  he had a big part in getting us a flag, and this trade could be a big part in our next!

 

Above all I'm convinced of this. We can talk about generational talents all we want but it's more likely his departure will spark the making of a formidable Melbourne side.

1 hour ago, Undeeterred said:

You never checked out of a job when you’ve got a better offer somewhere else?

Playing football isn’t like a typical job. It is played out in the public arena, where a brand is built.

And if he has indeed ‘checked out’, that says a lot about him competitiveness and commitment to his teams, while playing for a team that is 2nd on the ladder and in a match against an arch rival 

1 hour ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Any chance  we could’ve played the safe option and chose the local boy in Hayden Young who is tracking towards being clearly one of the best players of that 2019 draft?

The talk at the time coming off a very poor 2019 was that we severely lacked outside players who could deliver the footy and provide outside run as we had a plethora of inside mids but zero outside ball use. 

Draft experts noted Hayden Young was the absolute perfect fit for our list needs but also was best available after Rowell and Anderson.

I know Jackson played some part in our grand final win like 21 other blokes on the night so I'll be appreciate of that.

But I've watched Young closely since his AFL debut and then again his BOG performance Friday night and in my honest opinion he'll be a star of the comp.

I wasn't entirely sure at the time when at a crucial stage in out development in nailing those early picks in the draft, we reached for a athletic ruckman who was said to need improvement on his contested marking. But the moment we drafted him I threw my full support behind Jacko.

Unfortunately hindsight is wonderful but ideally yes when you have an early pick as we did we probably needed to take that safer option.

Edited July 23, 20222 yr by dazzledavey36

1 hour ago, Undeeterred said:

You never checked out of a job when you’ve got a better offer somewhere else?

You're not suggesting this is acceptable are you? 

In that case he's got a notice period of 2 months to go and the company is better off walking him out of the building.

17 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

The talk at the time coming off a very poor 2019 was that we severely lacked outside players who could deliver the footy and provide outside run as we had a plethora of inside mids but zero outside ball use. 

Draft experts noted Hayden Young was the absolute perfect fit for our list needs but also was best available after Rowell and Anderson.

I know Jackson played some part in our grand final win like 21 other blokes on the night so I'll be appreciate of that.

But I've watched Young closely since his AFL debut and then again his BOG performance Friday night and in my honest opinion he'll be a star of the comp.

I wasn't entirely sure at the time when it was a crucial stage in nailing the draft we reach for a athletic ruckman who wasn't really a good contested mark. But the moment we drafted him I threw my full support behind Jacko.

Unfortunately hindsight is wonderful but ideally yes when you have an early pick as we did we probably needed to take that safer option.

Well the way to get him, is to get into his head we can bring him home for Jacko. He then has to say he is homesick and wants to leave. Even the media would hammer the Dockers, where they refuse him, but demand Jacko be allowed to come home for the same reason.

1 hour ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Any chance  we could’ve played the safe option and chose the local boy in Hayden Young who is tracking towards being clearly one of the best players of that 2019 draft?

But then folks would see Jackson playing and bemoan the fact we didn't take him... it's like clockwork.

Edited July 23, 20222 yr by Engorged Onion

2 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Well the way to get him, is to get into his head we can bring him home for Jacko. He then has to say he is homesick and wants to leave. Even the media would hammer the Dockers, where they refuse him, but demand Jacko be allowed to come home for the same reason.

Unfortunately Young signed a massive 5 year deal to 2027 to commit to his club, which so happens to be an interstate club.

Massive respect there for loyalty unlike some.

Tim English is starting to turn into a very handy player, I personally feel LJ has shown more than what English ever had at this time in his career. I think he will turn into a gun just a shame it won’t be with us. 

At the moment Jacko is running around with a heavily strapped knee and hasn't been the same since he damaged his PCL. Just as Max recovered from his ankle injury but he is still carrying the back injury from Cox's knee. Both rucks are playing injured at the moment and it shows.

Contracts and worth are based on a body of work, not the last month. Jackson has played 46 games to date about 2 seasons worth. In normal circumstances, he is about a $ 500-600 K player in my opinion and even then that is good coin after 2 years. Ruckman take time and peak much later in their career. The money Free is allegedly offering is obscene and way out of sync with others on their list. I would be angry with MFC if they tried too hard to match it. 

Maybe West Coast offer their first round and Oscar Allen for him. I would take that in a heartbeat.

4 hours ago, adonski said:

JT got too cute taking a 'ruck' who can't mark

Jacko is a natural mid but Goody will never play him there 

He's marking much better than last season and is developing that skill well for his age.

I agree that he's a mid but I don't think that strategically works for us yet on balance. There's no way he's pushing Viney/Oliver/Petracca out of the centre bounce until they're sure his body can handle it on a weekly basis.

Are we really talking down Jacko here?

If I could have any 20 and under player in the comp, it would be him. He's a couple of years away from being the most dynamic player in the competition.

There has yet to be a 200cm + player with his skill set and IQ to play our game. 

51 minutes ago, Cheesy D. Pun said:

Are we really talking down Jacko here?

If I could have any 20 and under player in the comp, it would be him. He's a couple of years away from being the most dynamic player in the competition.

There has yet to be a 200cm + player with his skill set and IQ to play our game. 

Just saying, but he is 199 cms.

7 hours ago, Undeeterred said:

You never checked out of a job when you’ve got a better offer somewhere else?

Depends how professional you are especially regarding sports 

And, by the way, we're surely not bagging out Jason Taylor now, are we?

Keep talking him up - I know for a fact that Freo recruiters read this site

2 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

Keep talking him up - I know for a fact that Freo recruiters read this site

I'd give Jackson a $36m a year super max contract personally 

1 minute ago, adonski said:

I'd give Jackson a $36m a year super max contract personally 

No! He’s worth 40m! What is wrong with you??

18 minutes ago, loges said:

Depends how professional you are especially regarding sports 

If there's any question about his lack of professionalism, which I don't think there is, then you wouldn't pick him to play next week.

 

1 hour ago, 3183 Dee said:

And, by the way, we're surely not bagging out Jason Taylor now, are we?

I really hope Jackson and Bradshaw re-sign - this whole thing leaves a bit of a bad taste after the fairy-tale that was last year.

That said, I have every confidence that JT will turn whatever compensation we get into (at least) two very good replacements for them.

 

I think things are at the point in time from a team POV that this needs cleaning up, even if it means they all go out and get [censored] together again..

I am just so peeved that we could have done a deal for Cerra last year if Jackson said he was probably leaving at the end of his contract. 
We could have got someone we wanted, needed and was keen to come to us. 
His timing is putrid!!!

1 hour ago, jumbo returns said:

Keep talking him up - I know for a fact that Freo recruiters read this site

There is really no need to hand over Serong, Young and Andy Brayshaw:- am sure Young and AB would do the trick. 

Hopefully something good is coming

10 minutes ago, layzie said:

Hopefully something good is coming

Back in a trade or good news coming?