16 minutes ago, sue said:

I don't know how long ago he said this, but if you don't have any big-name players, it's hard to drop them.

Watts dropped himself!

24 minutes ago, binman said:

You always have to start at the beginning. 

This will be a very therapeutic process for me. 

This thread will sustain me for some time.

Keep going - it's like a group therapy session and today's topic is closure

2 hours ago, drdrake said:

If your a Journo with knowing the history of the club, the culture the club did have, you report and over state the issues as you see it.  We did need to set higher standards, we needed to realise potential rather than boast about it.  The club fixed it and we got the result, I doubt there would be many supporters that actually believed at the end of 2020 we would win the flag in 2021, the belief grow took a hit mid year and then gained massive momentum late.

On culture, our club has made some good calls to turn ours around, one club that should have made a call after the last couple of years of turmoil and didn't is Adelaide.  They have a young developing list, Walker should have been walked.

Walker is going to be a distraction for Adelaide next year. Should be roundly booed in all of his games

Never liked him. Overrated player remembered for once kick that led to a grand final where they got thrashed. 
No wonder unlike Ayres he never got a coaching gig

Mark Maclure is the biggest of the media dinosaurs I think and his screen time on 360 has been whittled down to just a five minute moanfest each week. At a time when just a year out of the game can see a coach playing catch up what does it say about someone that's been out of it for the best part of forty years. As for his his own club. All fur coat and no knickers, as the saying goes. 

37 minutes ago, Cassiew said:

Never liked him. Overrated player remembered for once kick that led to a grand final where they got thrashed. 
No wonder unlike Ayres he never got a coaching gig

Are we talking Gary Buckenara?  The same Gary Buckenara who played 154 games for Hawthorn and kicked 293 goals, won four Premierships, captained his State twice, was named All-Australian three times and was named in Hawthorn's Team of the Century?  That Gary Buckenara?  Make no mistake, he was an excellent footballer.

He did coach by the way, at the Sydney Swans, where his record was very poor.

6 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

Are we talking Gary Buckenara?  The same Gary Buckenara who played 154 games for Hawthorn and kicked 293 goals, won four Premierships, captained his State twice, was named All-Australian three times and was named in Hawthorn's Team of the Century?  That Gary Buckenara?  Make no mistake, he was an excellent footballer.

He did coach by the way, at the Sydney Swans, where his record was very poor.

Yup that’s the guy. Overrated. 
154 game? Didn’t even make it to 209. 293 goals is good but hardly a huge record in hawthorn considering Dunstall and Hudson. Captained Victoria? If not so what? Virtually any Hawthorn player in that team was guaranteed a premiership with the team they had. All Australian, his teammates made him look good. We would have been on their interchange. There were way better people on his team. He was overrated. 
As for coaching Sydney, they were in the sink at that stage. An Auskick coach could have got the job at Sydney

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You're funny.

So are you. Hilarious even 🤣😂

Lots of people - ex-players, journos, ex-executives, etc... - have been anti certain clubs, or had a preconceived bias. Greg Denham and Dwayne Russell are the 2 that stand out. Mostly, I have learned to zone out when they talked. 

But Mark McClure is a different. The fact that he played in 3 flags rubs me the wrong way because I never rated him. I thought he was a manure surrounded by vegies in the vegie patch called AFL (well actually VFL) when he played. But his whinging, whiney, thin voiced anti-Melbourne rhetoric was unrelenting. I hope the smug prat is choking now and can't wait to hear how he "always knew the Dees would come good, people were taking his words out of context" or some such carp.  

11 hours ago, DeesignerAU said:

What articles have you read or vision have you seen from so-called experts that makes your blood boil?

There was an article by Garry Buckenara about the status of Melbourne's list not more than 12 months ago which makes me fume.

You can read the article here - https://www.myheartbeatstrue.com/beat-the-paywall/from-the-archive-recruiting-guru-gary-buckenara-analyses-melbourne-demons-list-after-the-2020-afl-season/

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I'm pretty sure the last time I saw Gary Buckenara he was starring in a C-grade TV commercial for The Drain Man 

Open Mic 🎤 for all to fashion the appropriate metaphors to describe his 💩 story with that factoid... 🧻🪠🚿🚽🛁

Brian Taylor was pro Dogs all match in his commentary until our win was assured, then he started praising us!

12 hours ago, DeesignerAU said:

What articles have you read or vision have you seen from so-called experts that makes your blood boil?

There was an article by Garry Buckenara about the status of Melbourne's list not more than 12 months ago which makes me fume.

You can read the article here - https://www.myheartbeatstrue.com/beat-the-paywall/from-the-archive-recruiting-guru-gary-buckenara-analyses-melbourne-demons-list-after-the-2020-afl-season/

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Well I’d say has was  extravagantly and spectacularly wrong !! Football expert?dear me !!

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2 hours ago, Cassiew said:

Yup that’s the guy. Overrated. 
154 game? Didn’t even make it to 209. 293 goals is good but hardly a huge record in hawthorn considering Dunstall and Hudson. Captained Victoria? If not so what? Virtually any Hawthorn player in that team was guaranteed a premiership with the team they had. All Australian, his teammates made him look good. We would have been on their interchange. There were way better people on his team. He was overrated. 
As for coaching Sydney, they were in the sink at that stage. An Auskick coach could have got the job at Sydney

Not sure Buckenara was much loved by teammates at Hawthorn.

I remember David Parkin snorting with contempt when his name came up in an interview some years ago.

Recruiting Guru? No. [censored]? Yes.

3 hours ago, Maldonboy38 said:

But Mark McClure is a different. The fact that he played in 3 flags rubs me the wrong way because I never rated him. I thought he was a manure surrounded by vegies in the vegie patch called AFL (well actually VFL) when he played. But his whinging, whiney, thin voiced anti-Melbourne rhetoric was unrelenting. I hope the smug prat is choking now and can't wait to hear how he "always knew the Dees would come good, people were taking his words out of context" or some such carp.  

It staggers me that he is now and ever was the regular ‘comments’ expert on ABC radio calls. His prematch previews are embarrassing for their simplicity and lack of analysis, not to mention the nonsense he spouts in his quarter by quarter summaries. The sum of his critical thought is to only ever assess performance as a product of player/team motivation. If they’re going well, it’s because they want it more, and are ‘harder’. If they’re performing badly, it’s because they’re not united, disinterested and/or soft. He has no other takes. Basically, anyone could spout what he does, and with zero knowledge of the game………. Rant over, I feel better now. It’s been such a relief to read some real journalism post-GF this week - Greg Baum, Jake Niall, Scott Gullan, et al. 

Agree with the description of McClure as a 'dinosaur'. I don't understand how he gets a gig. Total moron.

I absolutely despise Ross 'budding' Lyon. The word 'vile' springs to mind.

Why hasn't anyone mentioned Triplechins? He tipped the Bulldogs to win the GF because a filth person couldn't tip Melbourne. Or something like that. Great logic TC. Call yourself a professional ??? 

 

 

Media person 

Caroline Wilson

Medium

Print, Radio, Podcasts

Comment

Much argument amongst the judging panel her as to the rating - with anywhere between zero and three peanuts being pushed. 

Debate centered on the definition of axe to ground and how harmless she is. Also how much to bring old Caro grievances into the mix and whether there has been a continuous, unbroken chain of wrongness since her attacks on the dees in her coverage of the tanking saga (and arguably even further back).

The fact I stopped watching Footy Classified 2 years ago  makes assessment harder. That said has been relatively benign in her 3aw slots as it it pertains to being wrong about the dees.

But Caro's old fashioned pre grand finals beat up by claiming on FC that the dees had instituted a curfew on its players earned her a nomination. Totally made up and an attempt at creating some unnecessary, albeit pretty harmless, fugazi.

The clincher was two fold.

One - despite the club never using the term curfew, in fact explicitly saying it wasn't a curfew, she backed up her beat up by claiming 'players' had said it was a curfew. Implied multiple players and that she had heard from them directly.  

Two - she gave Ross 'I'm withdrawing my interest in the Carlton coaching job, despite there being no interest' Lyon the platform to claim the dees are treating their players like children, not adults.

On Ross 'the Boss, defence wins finals (editor note: but only of you can also score more than 30 points)' Lyon, he has been nominated for an award and i'm confident he will receive one.

Score

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15 hours ago, Demonstone said:

Are we talking Gary Buckenara?  The same Gary Buckenara who played 154 games for Hawthorn and kicked 293 goals, won four Premierships, captained his State twice, was named All-Australian three times and was named in Hawthorn's Team of the Century?  That Gary Buckenara?  Make no mistake, he was an excellent footballer.

He did coach by the way, at the Sydney Swans, where his record was very poor.

Fair comment. Absolutely a great player.

God-given gifts don't translate in any way to having a good insigth to a club looking in from the outside. Pure speculation by most and good media fodder.

His comments and Ross Lyon's 2021 finals forecast will be seen as comedy gold in the future.

 As an aside I will be amazed for lots of reasons if Ross Lyon is again a senior coach after this year's sagas.

11 hours ago, bingers said:

Agree with the description of McClure as a 'dinosaur'. I don't understand how he gets a gig. Total moron.

I absolutely despise Ross 'budding' Lyon. The word 'vile' springs to mind.

Why hasn't anyone mentioned Triplechins? He tipped the Bulldogs to win the GF because a filth person couldn't tip Melbourne. Or something like that. Great logic TC. Call yourself a professional ??? 

 

 

Agreed. But you missed out Kellie Underwood when referring to Eddie.

 " I just feel the Doggies are ready to go"

Huge insight there. Leave the prognostication to the experts.

21 minutes ago, binman said:

Media person 

Caroline Wilson

Medium

Print, Radio, Podcasts

Comment

Much argument amongst the judging panel her as to the rating - with anywhere between zero and three peanuts being pushed. 

Debate centered on the definition of axe to ground and how harmless she is. Also how much to bring old Caro grievances into the mix and whether there has been a continuous, unbroken chain of wrongness since her attacks on the dees in her coverage of the tanking saga (and arguably even further back).

The fact I stopped watching Footy Classified 2 years ago  makes assessment harder. That said has been relatively benign in her 3aw slots as it it pertains to being wrong about the dees.

But Caro's old fashioned pre grand finals beat up by claiming on FC that the dees had instituted a curfew on its players earned her a nomination. Totally made up and an attempt at creating some unnecessary, albeit pretty harmless, fugazi.

The clincher was two fold.

One - despite the club never using the term curfew, in fact explicitly saying it wasn't a curfew, she backed up her beat up by claiming 'players' had said it was a curfew. Implied multiple players and that she had heard from them directly.  

Two - she gave Ross 'I'm withdrawing my interest in the Carlton coaching job, despite there being no interest' Lyon the platform to claim the dees are treating their players like children, not adults.

On Ross 'the Boss, defence wins finals (editor note: but only of you can also score more than 30 points)' Lyon, he has been nominated for an award and i'm confident he will receive one.

Score

Caro really annoyed me on the Offsiders on ABC the other day when she couldn't resist saying the tanking issue was 'almost as bad as the Essendon drug scandal'. 

OK, maybe they were both 'cheating' (though in one case in order to get immediate advantage over opponents, in the other to rebuild the list for the future).  But how can she equate the administration tanking with injecting a group of young blokes with god knows what.  How can she!

15 hours ago, Thehardtackler said:

Brian Taylor was pro Dogs all match in his commentary until our win was assured, then he started praising us!

Daisy Pearce was embarassing BT and James Brayshaw, with insightful contradictions all game on stratgy. So much so, after half time BT would often ask Daisy what she thought was happening.

The best example was 3rd 1/4 when Lever kicked the ball long on Langdon's wing to a footrace beteween Kossie and Tmac, kicking to TMAC. He was much further forward than Kossies\. TMAC lost the contest and Dogs retained the ball.

Brayshaw said that was a win for the Dogs. 20 seconds later May marks the rebounding dogs kick due to the backline set up, pointed out then by Daisy how Lever's clever kick gave the Dees defence time to set back up.

THAT was embarrassing.

If Dr. D, was a Demon supporter (which I doubt ) he would come on here , show some character and admit he got things very wrong.

4 minutes ago, Demon17 said:

Daisy Pearce was embarassing BT and James Brayshaw, with insightful contradictions all game on stratgy. So much so, after half time BT would often ask Daisy what she thought was happening.

The best example was 3rd 1/4 when Lever kicked the ball long on Langdon's wing to a footrace beteween Kossie and Tmac, kicking to TMAC. He was much further forward than Kossies\. TMAC lost the contest and Dogs retained the ball.

Brayshaw said that was a win for the Dogs. 20 seconds later May marks the rebounding dogs kick due to the backline set up, pointed out then by Daisy how Lever's clever kick gave the Dees defence time to set back up.

THAT was embarrassing.

Yes, noticed he was referring to her much more as the game went on.

5 minutes ago, sue said:

Caro really annoyed me on the Offsiders on ABC the other day when she couldn't resist saying the tanking issue was 'almost as bad as the Essendon drug scandal'. 

OK, maybe they were both 'cheating' (though in one case in order to get immediate advantage over opponents, in the other to rebuild the list for the future).  But how can she equate the administration tanking with injecting a group of young blokes with god knows what.  How can she!

Sue she simply loves being negative on everything hence why I simply dont give her the time of day. As a great man once said I usually "Turn the other cheek".

11 minutes ago, sue said:

Caro really annoyed me on the Offsiders on ABC the other day when she couldn't resist saying the tanking issue was 'almost as bad as the Essendon drug scandal'. 

OK, maybe they were both 'cheating' (though in one case in order to get immediate advantage over opponents, in the other to rebuild the list for the future).  But how can she equate the administration tanking with injecting a group of young blokes with god knows what.  How can she!

Mmm - i didn't see that. 

Might need to give her a second peanut!

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