POSTGAME: GRAND FINAL vs Western Bulldogs

[daisycutter 29,600]

12 minutes ago, binman said:

A question.

Our first goal, tracc's 60 metre bullet of NO steps.

I can't for the life of me work out if he marked that ball or got in the half volley.

To the naked eye, and even on replay, he marks it. At least to my doddgy eyes.

If he marked it, remarkable that he chose to immediately play on and go for goal, given the distance, the fact he didn't have any run up and also had to kick over a dogs players (well around him sort of). 

He didn't give the umpire any chance to blow the whistle to indicate mark, such was the speed he got it to boot.

But i have read suggestions it was a half volley. If so, incredible presence of mind to immediately kick it. 

Either way, a truly remarkable goal that has sot of been lost in the tidal wave of crazy good goals in the third and last quarter.

Mark or half volley?

i did see another angle on video, but can't remember where, but on that video it did look like a half volley was a possibility.

another possibility is that it was touched off salem's boot but i've seen no discussion of that possibility

i had the same thought processes you had.........wonderful goal

[Fritta and Turner 4,329]

For a change of pace I watched the prelim final. We came 1 point short of tripling their score.

1 thing in common with GF was Goody crying on the boundary line.

Edited October 20, 2021 by Jontee

[Timothy Reddan-A'Blew 5,062]

@CHF (c.c. @Jontee)

I missed it originally (you leave Demonland for half a day and this thread is half a dozen pages closer to 2022...) so belated thanks for your observations about the 'bottom (hah!) six'. We have such a Team!

[leave it to deever 17,511]

On 10/18/2021 at 5:48 PM, Dee Zephyr said:

5 mins to go in the 3rd quarter replay. Kozzie stiff not to get a high tackle, Harmes equally stiff just prior. Also, I wouldn’t have paid the mark to JJ over Bowey, Bont clearly touches the ball first.

Well the standard was better than the last time we played them.

[leave it to deever 17,511]

45 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

i did see another angle on video, but can't remember where, but on that video it did look like a half volley was a possibility.

another possibility is that it was touched off salem's boot but i've seen no discussion of that possibility

i had the same thought processes you had.........wonderful goal

Off a step it powered all the way home. Sparrows kick was pretty similar. Both very strong players.

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

14 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

Well the standard was better than the last time we played them.

I thought the umpiring was very good on the night, happened to be watching the replay when i posted and was only channeling a game-day thread. 

Edited October 20, 2021 by Dee Zephyr

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I was just thinking about our song, and how after a win, within a second or two of the siren sounding, it plays. Be it a close one or a blowout, that moment never fails to give me goosebumps. Oftentimes I’ve tried to imagine what it would be like to experience that in the final match of the year. Don’t have to imagine any longer. And I gotta say it’s way sweeter than I ever had imagined. ❤️💙

[John Crow Batty 8,860]

1 hour ago, Deemania since 56 said:

That Kozzie spoil - to enable the split-second Petracca decision to line-'em up - was just fantastic teamwork providing the Trac possession to be converted into 6 lovely points. He got the bloke square-on, obviously sick to death of this Doggy's attempts to hurt Demon players right across the match after being beaten in marks, handballs and front positions. Farnknuckling by Kozzie, at its best.

 

Pickett also tackled and dispossessed Weightman to enable Bowey to get the turnover and pass it to Brayshaw for his lead changing goal. He also harassed  the Bulldog players to force a turnover for Spargo’s goal.Three very important efforts that directly turned into goals. Never got much ball himself but was always in the thick of the forward line action. 

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On 10/9/2021 at 9:08 PM, Clint Bizkit said:

Anyone that suggests Gawn played for or milked the Daniel sling tackle is a fool.

Gawn simply lost his footing and with the momentum he had he was always going to fall.

Yes, and l understand the comment from Daniel while standing over him after he slammed Max’s head into the concrete turf was “get up you girl!” Wonder what the follow-up was at the end of the match….

Edited October 20, 2021 by DeesFlag2020

[Timothy Reddan-A'Blew 5,062]

@binman, @daisycutter, @John Crow Batty, et al,

Just watched Haymes's 'All Of The Melbourne Goals' again (just 'cos we can, can't we?!)

I'm now calling 'Mark'. Split-second thinker that he is, I reckon he turned and saw the then empty goal square, knew he had momentum in the right direction, looping around on his right, and knew he could at least bounce it through. (As to the possibility of 'touched', the Dogs player 5m from Salem certainly was trying, with an arm upwardly very outstretched, but the lack of umpire and Ch.7 response is telling)

And on his other goal (re my query on behind-the-goals vision of it) I see now that he turns away from the kick and to the crowd before it's even half way to the (dead centre of!) the goals. Maybe a glance over the shoulder but, wow...

Finally (yeah, right...) I've thought Bowey's kick* to Brayshaw was doubtfully 15m but I've come to realise that might have been the case as the kick was released but, during the camera angle change, Angus made, then dived, a good extra 5m. Ditto, wow...

(*Also, I've been thinking Bowey's was another of the shortfall kicks in that passage; I reckon he was trying to spot up the mismatch between Brown and Daniel just past where Angus marked?)

[Fritta and Turner 4,329]

43 minutes ago, Timothy Reddan-A'Blew said:

@binman, @daisycutter, @John Crow Batty, et al,

Just watched Haymes's 'All Of The Melbourne Goals' again (just 'cos we can, can't we?!)

I'm now calling 'Mark'. Split-second thinker that he is, I reckon he turned and saw the then empty goal square, knew he had momentum in the right direction, looping around on his right, and knew he could at least bounce it through. (As to the possibility of 'touched', the Dogs player 5m from Salem certainly was trying, with an arm upwardly very outstretched, but the lack of umpire and Ch.7 response is telling)

And on his other goal (re my query on behind-the-goals vision of it) I see now that he turns away from the kick and to the crowd before it's even half way to the (dead centre of!) the goals. Maybe a glance over the shoulder but, wow...

Finally (yeah, right...) I've thought Bowey's kick* to Brayshaw was doubtfully 15m but I've come to realise that might have been the case as the kick was released but, during the camera angle change, Angus made, then dived, a good extra 5m. Ditto, wow...

(*Also, I've been thinking Bowey's was another of the shortfall kicks in that passage; I reckon he was trying to spot up the mismatch between Brown and Daniel just past where Angus marked?)

Was thinking the same but Bowey made the common mistake of thinking that our older forwards are much quicker than they are.  Not only did Angus save the day but he kicked the goal!!!

(*Also, I've been thinking Bowey's was another of the shortfall kicks in that passage; I reckon he was trying to spot up the mismatch between Brown and Daniel just past where Angus marked?)

Was thinking the same but Bowey made the common mistake of thinking that our older forwards are much quicker than they are.  Not only did Angus save the day but he kicked the goal!!!

Edited October 20, 2021 by Jontee

[Lucifers Hero 39,504]

1 hour ago, leave it to deever said:

Well the standard was better than the last time we played them.

The umpires were too mesmerised by the torrential storm of goals to notice the bulldogs antics, let alone interrupt such a spectacular show...

[Bobby McKenzie 2,383]

On 10/19/2021 at 1:08 PM, Jontee said:

I thought that was Macrae but them Dogs players are not my strong suit.  Lost interest when Ted retired....

It was Macrae, not Hunter.

[Timothy Reddan-A'Blew 5,062]

43 minutes ago, Jontee said:

(*Also, I've been thinking Bowey's was another of the shortfall kicks in that passage; I reckon he was trying to spot up the mismatch between Brown and Daniel just past where Angus marked?)

Was thinking the same but Bowey made the common mistake of thinking that our older forwards are much quicker than they are.  Not only did Angus save the day but he kicked the goal!!!

Another 'sliding doors' moment: Had it reached Brown, would he have converted, from the tighter angle? With the benefit of (much-rehearsed!) hindsight, Angus was never going to miss. While Ben...

[Cassiew 1,903]

4 hours ago, Demonised said:

With everything that's happening in the world, I'm really looking forward to 2022.

When we can start the year as Reigning Premiers.

I’m the opposite. Since we’re premiers, no one can say anything bad about Melbourne. Not even about the last win we had. Once the season starts, we’re up for any kind of criticism again. I just want to being to of the world for the rest of this year.

[Cassiew 1,903]

1 minute ago, Cassiew said:

I’m the opposite. Since we’re premiers, no one can say anything bad about Melbourne. Not even about the last win we had. Once the season starts, we’re up for any kind of criticism again. I just want to enjoy being top of the world for the rest of this year.

 

[dieter 3,325]

Re the umpires: I agree they were relatively benign. I will never understand, however, how blokes like Liberatore get away with blatant throws each and every time they dispose by hand.

Also, a snippet picked up today from an interview of Neville Jetta on SEN, by the mighty Durrwayne and the King of contradictions.

Neville said that apparently The Club took a dim view of Kozzie'a absence in January when his mother died. He said that he, the Fabulous Wrecker Whelan and Steven May convinced the club to let Kozzie take the time he needed. He said that if they hadn't they would possibly have lost Kozzie, that  by taking their advice, the club won Kozzies's heart.

[Biffen 12,940]

10 minutes ago, dieter said:

Re the umpires: I agree they were relatively benign. I will never understand, however, how blokes like Liberatore get away with blatant throws each and every time they dispose by hand.

Also, a snippet picked up today from an interview of Neville Jetta on SEN, by the mighty Durrwayne and the King of contradictions.

Neville said that apparently The Club took a dim view of Kozzie'a absence in January when his mother died. He said that he, the Fabulous Wrecker Whelan and Steven May convinced the club to let Kozzie take the time he needed. He said that if they hadn't they would possibly have lost Kozzie, that  by taking their advice, the club won Kozzies's heart.

It would be a mistake to trust Lucas Jackson in the same circumstances.

Mans got rabbit in his blood.

[Dees_In_October 3,373]

3 hours ago, Premiers said:

The umpires were too mesmerised by the torrential storm of goals to notice the bulldogs antics, let alone interrupt such a spectacular show...

Also, it's hard for them to give our opposition freebies in front of goal when it never goes down there.

[dieter 3,325]

1 hour ago, Biffen said:

It would be a mistake to trust Lucas Jackson in the same circumstances.

Mans got rabbit in his blood.

In other words, he'd be sighed up by the Rabittohs?

[Fork 'em 6,983]

2 hours ago, Cassiew said:

I’m the opposite. Since we’re premiers, no one can say anything bad about Melbourne. Not even about the last win we had. Once the season starts, we’re up for any kind of criticism again. I just want to being to of the world for the rest of this year.

Relax and enjoy it.
We're gonna take some stopping over the next few years.

[CHF 2,718]

8 hours ago, binman said:

My favorite part about that goal is the hand symbol (which i assume is what you are referring to here?) Captain jack makes as he is being swamped. 

I think that is their symbol for blitz mode. 

Binny, I like the view of that goal from down the ground. As Sparrow receives the perfect handball form Oliver there are 4 dogs that look to converge on him from the 4 points of the compass. One step. Bang! Too late she cried.

[spirit of norm smith 16,250]

32 minutes ago, CHF said:

Binny, I like the view of that goal from down the ground. As Sparrow receives the perfect handball form Oliver there are 4 dogs that look to converge on him from the 4 points of the compass. One step. Bang! Too late she cried.

Brayshaw.  Petracca.  Sparrow.  Oliver.
 Bang bang bang bang.  

James Brayshaw called it !!!! 

Edited October 20, 2021 by spirit of norm smith
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[Timothy Reddan-A'Blew 5,062]

1 hour ago, CHF said:

Binny, I like the view of that goal from down the ground. As Sparrow receives the perfect handball form Oliver there are 4 dogs that look to converge on him from the 4 points of the compass. One step. Bang! Too late she cried.

Snap, Brother! (see my post on the '3 goals in 32 seconds - the quickest 3 goals ever?' thread in Week One of our 'Bran Nu Dae' (aka 28/9)). As I incorrectly observed then, it was 'a beautiful tableaux', which I now correct to 'tableau'. Mind you, 25/9 held 'beautiful tableaux' aplenty! 

Edited October 20, 2021 by Timothy Reddan-A'Blew

[binman 42,606]

2 hours ago, CHF said:

Binny, I like the view of that goal from down the ground. As Sparrow receives the perfect handball form Oliver there are 4 dogs that look to converge on him from the 4 points of the compass. One step. Bang! Too late she cried.

Not thst each of the third quarter goals is seared in my memory or anything - but speaking of the Oliver handball, a weird part of that goal was Daniels went towards Oliver, but Oliver released it before he got there. Instead of turning and following the ball, Daniels elected to continue on bump Oliver, though with no force. It looked like he was sheparding oliver. 

Instructive because, either he wasn't desperate to track the ball, or he wanted it to look like he was competing still or he was completely rattled.