33 minutes ago, MrFreeze said:

While i don't think Guston fits the category, i agree that crafty veteran players can make an impact. However, lets say Jackson leaves and we pick up Gunston. In 3-5 years time Gunston, B Brown, M Brown, TMAC all are retired/delisted. We then have Weid and V Roo as our talls. Not good. 

I hear you. May and Max (pending Jackson situation) are both 30 and will need contingency plans for them also. It's inevitable we're going to drop off in one of these areas in 3-5 years. Most teams do, hence 'premiership window'. But you would think this midfield if we can keep them signed have a longer timeline so shoring up key positions where we're aging will be important for our longer term success.

9 minutes ago, Young Blood said:

I hear you. May and Max (pending Jackson situation) are both 30 and will need contingency plans for them also. It's inevitable we're going to drop off in one of these areas in 3-5 years. Most teams do, hence 'premiership window'. But you would think this midfield if we can keep them signed have a longer timeline so shoring up key positions where we're aging will be important for our longer term success.

Petty / Turner should cover May. LJ hopefully covers Gawn so I think we are covered in those key positions s for the next decade. Forward line is where we need talent pronto. We could have sustained success for the next 10 years similar to Geelong if we can develop and attract talent there. 
 

Both McKay and Curnow come out of contract next year so we should definitely see how we can target one of them. Will take a mammoth offer though but could pull of a Tigeresque move like they did for Lynch. 

Edited June 28, 20222 yr by CYB

2 minutes ago, CYB said:

Petty / Turner should cover May. LJ hopefully covers Gawn so I think we are covered in those key positions s for the next decade. Forward line is where we need talent pronto. We could have sustained success for the next 10 years similar to Geelong if we can develop and attract talent there. 

Agreed, Petty looks set to take on more responsibility moving forward. Will need to see a full game or more from Turner before we count him in as covering the best / most dynamic full back in the comp.

If Gunston wants out, he will be looking for a nice tidy package for 2 or 3 years to boost his property portfolio or other pre-retirement earnings. Seems like he is doing an Isaac Smith who was similarly [censored] off with the Hawks. Although Smith remains injury free and without a significant injury history. 

So no to Gunston due to age, dollars, and injury history.

I would rather there be opportunities for players on our existing list.  Much better for our training and development program. 

Surely Melbournr has left behind that  caper of signing premiership burnouts. Noteable exception Jordan Lewis who offered his experience to the dees as they were coming  good.

Remember  Catoggio and Young from Carlton.

Bleak times.

1 hour ago, Young Blood said:

I hear you. May and Max (pending Jackson situation) are both 30 and will need contingency plans for them also. It's inevitable we're going to drop off in one of these areas in 3-5 years. Most teams do, hence 'premiership window'. But you would think this midfield if we can keep them signed have a longer timeline so shoring up key positions where we're aging will be important for our longer term success.

For sure, balance between short term and long term is hard here. Imo B Brown was the forward vet pick up for our cup window and I wouldn't over commit further than that. 

1 hour ago, CYB said:

Petty / Turner should cover May. LJ hopefully covers Gawn so I think we are covered in those key positions s for the next decade. Forward line is where we need talent pronto. We could have sustained success for the next 10 years similar to Geelong if we can develop and attract talent there. 
 

Both McKay and Curnow come out of contract next year so we should definitely see how we can target one of them. Will take a mammoth offer though but could pull of a Tigeresque move like they did for Lynch. 

Both seem unlikely to move from Carlton given that they're finally on the rise, but these two would be just about the only  players in the league I would back throwing the kitchen sink at. Either one would do wonders for our forward line right now. And while we know that we can kick huge scores even without a star forward - just look at Thursday night's result - a true KPF would take our forward line to the next level. 

Of course, keeping our current stars - Oliver, Jackson, Brayshaw - should be our number one priority!

Edited June 28, 20222 yr by demoncat

At end of 2022. It’s a No.  

He was in his prime but not anymore.  We need to save $$$ for the contracts over the next few years.  Smart buying is not Gunston.  More appetite if we wanted a young forward is to go for someone like Jake Riccardi from the Giants.  Would be a cheap buy, young (22) and still plenty of upside. 

Nick Larkey is the guy to go for in the next couple of years imo. He's 24.  Norf will be going absolutely nowhere for his entire football career. That's almost a dead cert. 

Forget about playing finals, if he wants to know what even winning games is like, he will not see out his career at Norf (jake bowey about to go past him on wins) .  Rfa end 2024.  No reason to think he would cost big coin, he'll be wanting out. 

2 hours ago, MrFreeze said:

Cameron is in his prime, won the coleman 3 years ago and is the second leading goal kicker this year (42 goals!)

Gunston is injury riddled and a year a way from retirement (15 goals lol)

You suggested taking players 23-27.

I just pointed out that Cameron is well past that and is only 1 year younger than Gunston.

In other words you would not only take 23-27 year old players, you would also take players who will be 30 early next year.

That is fine, I was just clarifying what you were saying is our target age/player.

9 minutes ago, Jjrogan said:

Nick Larkey is the guy to go for in the next couple of years imo. He's 24.  Norf will be going absolutely nowhere for his entire football career. That's almost a dead cert. 

Forget about playing finals, if he wants to know what even winning games is like, he will not see out his career at Norf (jake bowey about to go past him on wins) .  Rfa end 2024.  No reason to think he would cost big coin, he'll be wanting out. 

He would be sensational for us.

4 minutes ago, Redleg said:

You suggested taking players 23-27.

I just pointed out that Cameron is well past that and is only 1 year younger than Gunston.

In other words you would not only take 23-27 year old players, you would also take players who will be 30 early next year.

That is fine, I was just clarifying what you were saying is our target age/player.

Point proven but Cameron is clearly an outlier, Gunston is closer to the rule 

7 minutes ago, Redleg said:

He would be sensational for us.

Straight swap with BBB ? 😀

3 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

As a player, 100%, as a team mate... not so sure...

Was captain for a number of years at Crows so can’t be all bad. You would have to check with players on what he is really like!!

Idvtake him ahead of Gunston.

Getting him for 2 years wouldn’t hurt from a forward line perspective.

30 minutes ago, Jjrogan said:

Nick Larkey is the guy to go for in the next couple of years imo. He's 24.  Norf will be going absolutely nowhere for his entire football career. That's almost a dead cert. 

Forget about playing finals, if he wants to know what even winning games is like, he will not see out his career at Norf (jake bowey about to go past him on wins) .  Rfa end 2024.  No reason to think he would cost big coin, he'll be wanting out. 

100%. That's who I would love us to get in an ideal world. Love the Souva!

33 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

100%. That's who I would love us to get in an ideal world. Love the Souva!

Only problem is we’ll be one of 17 other clubs trying to get his services.

1 hour ago, Jjrogan said:

Nick Larkey is the guy to go for in the next couple of years imo. He's 24.  Norf will be going absolutely nowhere for his entire football career. That's almost a dead cert. 

Forget about playing finals, if he wants to know what even winning games is like, he will not see out his career at Norf (jake bowey about to go past him on wins) .  Rfa end 2024.  No reason to think he would cost big coin, he'll be wanting out. 

Any draft picks to get this done ?  Spare $$$ in our budget?? I want a new Audi Q7 but you have to have the buying power !! 

So none of you boys are aware of how really good Weideman is now..

4 minutes ago, willmoy said:

So none of you boys are aware of how really good Weideman is now..

Maybe because he’s being keeping it very private? 

19 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

Only problem is we’ll be one of 17 other clubs trying to get his services.

The only club that would be reigning premiers and back to back winners at the time tho... ;)

18 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Any draft picks to get this done ?  Spare $$$ in our budget?? I want a new Audi Q7 but you have to have the buying power !! 

Might not be enough to get the job done, but we can offer up our future first this year.

26 minutes ago, Wells 11 said:

Maybe because he’s being keeping it very private? 

I'm not gonna write him off. "Necessity is the mother of invention."

4 hours ago, MrFreeze said:

While i don't think Guston fits the category, i agree that crafty veteran players can make an impact. However, lets say Jackson leaves and we pick up Gunston. In 3-5 years time Gunston, B Brown, M Brown, TMAC all are retired/delisted. We then have Weid and V Roo as our talls. Not good. 

Not that I think Gunston is a viable option but having 3-5 years is more than enough time to draft and develop kids, so it won’t be just Weed and V Roo. 

On 8/25/2021 at 5:50 PM, ucanchoose said:

Can anybody name a 29 year old trade success story that won premierships after they've had multiple surgeries?    ........

 

Crickets....

 

It's just terrible business when we have spent the last 3 years being incredibly  savvy

Off the top of my head . . .

Doug Wade, John Rantall, Barry Davis, Stan Alves, Greg Wells, Val Perovic, Bryan Wood.

And that's seven over a 10 year period. I could go on . . . . . . . but point made.

Edited June 28, 20222 yr by Queanbeyan Demon

Search process.;

Step 1. Select 'Player rankings; contested marks per game'.

Step 2. Limit selection to 'tall forwards'.

Step 3. Check availability, repeat.

Repeat.

Results after a lot of cleaning of too expensive, too old, too rucky, or just d-heads.

Ben McKay, North Melbourne. Is a defender only, and not yet really proven. But should we ask the 'switch' question? Fun fact: this season Ben McKay has more contested marks per game than his brother.

J Hogan. That'd just be too awkward.

Peter Wright. Oh, that's odd. Didn't he used to be a bit of a lanky potato? Would seem to fit our needs. Bonus points, losing him would basically end Essendon structurally.

Jake Riccardi. 14 goals three behinds in last 6 games, and hasn't been goalless in that time. Good signs but hard to know real value.

Hayden McLean. Is he basically what you would get if you put Weideman in a team with a more powerful forward line than ours but which also needs more ruck support?

Darcy Fogarty. Is either in form or very much not in form. 9 games this season. In the most recent 4 he has kicked 12.2 and gave 4 goal assists, but in the first five he kicked 2.3 and one goal assist. Plus, you'd expect the Crows have plans for him for when boofhead retires.