On 03/08/2021 at 02:26, binman said:

The top half of his right leg appears to be from a rhinoceros and the bottom half from a magpie. 

Edited August 3, 20213 yr by John Crow Batty

  On 03/08/2021 at 02:45, NeveroddoreveN said:

 

He will get whacked for 2 weeks and get off with 1.

 

might work that way with mro, but not with tribunal (no option to accept lower charge)

  On 03/08/2021 at 02:54, daisycutter said:

might work that way with mro, but not with tribunal (no option to accept lower charge)

I thought they were allowed to challenge even with the tribunal?  I recall a few cases getting dismissed once at the tribunal already this year...

  On 03/08/2021 at 02:26, binman said:

So Salem did travel over. As well as Tomlinson?

We need a Jack Viney made me (almost) die thread. 

Does Trac normally have his knee bandaged up like that? Can't say I've noticed it before 

  On 03/08/2021 at 03:00, Nascent said:

So Salem did travel over. As well as Tomlinson?

I'm not sure when that photo is from. Doubt tomo went over so must be from last week

  On 03/08/2021 at 03:23, BDA said:

Does Trac normally have his knee bandaged up like that? Can't say I've noticed it before 

Yes it's normal

“Love the game, not the odds”………….. Love the game, not the violence (?)

An unworthy act from you Jack.  Sends completely the wrong message to kids, and the parents of aspiring young footballers.

Looking at it over and over, it will all depend on where the actual force was. The only way Viney doesn't get suspended is if his arm was actually forming a 'bridge' between the jaw and shoulder of the Gold Coast player.

Having done police transcription work in the past I've got no time for any kind of choking or throat crushing. It's pretty much the number 1 way people get hospitalised or killed by domestic violence and that's even after months or years of other forms of bashings. It is incredibly high risk and a bit like concussion in that it can seem innocuous at first then really hit hard that night or even the next day.

I'd rated it on the level of eye gouging, but that isn't helpful given the Chris Judd precedent.

  On 03/08/2021 at 04:13, Little Goffy said:

Looking at it over and over, it will all depend on where the actual force was. The only way Viney doesn't get suspended is if his arm was actually forming a 'bridge' between the jaw and shoulder of the Gold Coast player.

Having done police transcription work in the past I've got no time for any kind of choking or throat crushing. It's pretty much the number 1 way people get hospitalised or killed by domestic violence and that's even after months or years of other forms of bashings. It is incredibly high risk and a bit like concussion in that it can seem innocuous at first then really hit hard that night or even the next day.

I'd rated it on the level of eye gouging, but that isn't helpful given the Chris Judd precedent.

I agree with you, i think even just the look of the incident itself is enough that they'll have to suspend him. i'm not expecting anything too crazy but i think best case he might be back for the Cats game

  On 02/08/2021 at 09:01, WalkingCivilWar said:

Therein lies the point of this. You often see a player leaning on an oppo player in the act of getting back up on his feet. And yeah, he might apply some extra pressure for a second. But this went on for 4-5 seconds, which is a long time when your windpipe is being squashed. 

 

  On 02/08/2021 at 09:55, DubDee said:

A very dangerous thing - prolonged pressure to the neck with the elbow. Could have blocked oxygen to the brain. 

Off the ball, lasted 4-5 seconds. He’s in trouble. 

2 weeks minimum I’d reckon 

 

  On 02/08/2021 at 12:05, DeeZee said:

I don’t think you can compare it to a swinging elbow.

Its a deliberate attempt of grinding the point of the elbow into someone’s head.

If someone did that to my sons head on the footy field I’d be ropeable.

Its just a matter of how many weeks.

The way people can judge force off video footage amazes me. A real skill.

At least the thread gave me a laugh. Somebody said James Harmes was intimidating! Hahahahaha!  
 

He is absolutely desperate for that to be true though.

  On 03/08/2021 at 05:47, ProperDee said:

At least the thread gave me a laugh. Somebody said James Harmes was intimidating! Hahahahaha!  
 

He is absolutely desperate for that to be true though.

I too LOL'd at that...

  On 03/08/2021 at 04:26, Dwight Schrute said:

I agree with you, i think even just the look of the incident itself is enough that they'll have to suspend him. i'm not expecting anything too crazy but i think best case he might be back for the Cats game

Yep think it'll be 1 or 2 weeks. Who knows honestly though with the tribunal. 

All over the shop in recent years.

it's the vibe of the thing....it's the constitution......it's mabo.......but moreso......it's the look of the thing

i rest my case

  On 03/08/2021 at 05:44, Grimes Times said:

 

 

The way people can judge force off video footage amazes me. A real skill.

Why, thank you! So nice to be acknowledged. Yep, been honing that skill for yonks and stoked to finally get to use it. I don’t wanna blow my own trumpet but the term ‘Grandmaster’ may just be in the offing for this lil video footage judge. ?

For those who are waiving this off, I ask you where you stood when that [censored] Dean Wallis punched Brad Green in the throat?

Sometime blokes deserve a whack back. For example, I remember Jordie Lewis dotting Patty Cripps in a game against Carlton. I actually took Jordie's side in that he revealed later on that there was dirty stuff going on under the packs. I'll accept his word on that front as Carlton still had it in their heads that we were still the 'bruise free football' team of callow youth from the Bailey era.

However, an established player attacking a kid while beating them by 16 goals is pretty ordinary. 

Playing on the edge is one thing, but getting young blokes in vulnerable positions and looking to hurt them is another. What was to be achieved and what did Jack want to do? Dack him, humiliate him and then KO him? As the crying kid said, when Homer was beating up the Krustyburgler....

Edited August 3, 20213 yr by Colin B. Flaubert

The difference, as I see it Colin, is that Wallis's dirty punch* caused a serious injury (fractured larynx) which forced Green out of the rest of the game and that it was intended to cause damage.

In Viney's case, his opponent jumped straight up and continued on with the game and I reckon the intent was a show of macho bravado, not to injure his opponent.

We'll find out tonight how the Tribunal assess it and I'd be disappointed, but not surprised, if Viney is suspended given how much of a Chooklotto their verdicts are these days.

*  While Green had his arms pinned behind his back by, I think, Damien Hardwick.

  On 03/08/2021 at 06:04, Colin B. Flaubert said:

For those who are waiving this off, I ask you where you stood when that [censored] Dean Wallis punched Brad Green in the throat?

However, an established player attacking a kid while beating them by 16 goals is pretty ordinary.

Oh FFS. This incident gets worse and worse as every person tries to one up the previous one with the descriptions and comparisons...

I heard Viney tried to rip out his voice box as the poor defenceless 194cm, 100kg small child was desperately trying to call out for help to his family who Viney had already abducted and had tied up in his boot...

Deserves the chair. Nothing less. AFL should also strip as of our premiership points.

 

  On 03/08/2021 at 06:04, Colin B. Flaubert said:

"However, an established player attacking a kid while beating them by 16 goals is pretty ordinary."

SamCOLLINS

• KEY DEFENDER
• 27
• 194cm
• 99kg

  JackVINEY

• MIDFIELDER
• 27
• 178cm
• 86kg

  On 03/08/2021 at 06:15, Lord Nev said:

Oh FFS. This incident gets worse and worse as every person tries to one up the previous one with the descriptions and comparisons...

I heard Viney tried to rip out his voice box as the poor defenceless 194cm, 100kg small child was desperately trying to call out for help to his family who Viney had already abducted and had tied up in his boot...

Deserves the chair. Nothing less. AFL should also strip as of our premiership points.

 

Perhaps you might want to address the point of my argument that it was pointless and that he was in a vulnerable situation rather than engage in hyperbole and distortions to bolster your own side? The similarities are that Viney is an experienced player attacking a second year player in an untoward manner. The extent of damage between the two differs, but in the first (which was unforgivable), the game was still hot. What was to be achieved by this?

For the record, I'd say it's a fine at best, and two weeks at absolute worst. I think it will probably land in the middle somewhere.

Jesus, some of the comments are just way over the top hysterical garbage as per usual, I have to agree with all your comments @Lord Nev

I think this thread is suffering from a severe case of moral panic

 

  On 03/08/2021 at 06:28, Colin B. Flaubert said:

Perhaps you might want to address the point of my argument that it was pointless and that he was in a vulnerable situation rather than engage in hyperbole and distortions to bolster your own side?

This is sarcasm yes? Surely... References cited below...

 

  On 03/08/2021 at 06:04, Colin B. Flaubert said:

I ask you where you stood when that [censored] Dean Wallis punched Brad Green in the throat?

However, an established player attacking a kid

Dack him, humiliate him and then KO him?

 

Collins initiated it. Viney was about to be off to the next play when Collins dragged him down by the jumper with two hands.

It's a wrestle. The sad thing is, the outrage machine has well and truly kicked in now and he'll likely get a worse punishment than he deserves. The references to George Floyd by some today are appallingly bad, a ridiculous stretch and frankly pretty insulting to that situation and it's context.

  On 03/08/2021 at 06:25, waynewussell said:

SamCOLLINS

• KEY DEFENDER
• 27
• 194cm
• 99kg

  JackVINEY

• MIDFIELDER
• 27
• 178cm
• 86kg

Well there you go.

That being said, it doesn't change my opinion. 

I am not one to upbraid Melbourne players for being overly physical. We bloody needed it in years past.

I look at in terms of what Jack has done in a physical sense versus this. Let's look at some notable hits or acts of physical contact that Jack has been involved in.

1) The hit in his second year on Josh Jenkins. Broke the fella's jaw, but quite clearly, there wasn't enough time to change direction. Innocent on all charges.

2) When he cleaned up Shannon Hurn in 2017 in the game where Plugger McDonald kicked the sealer (also was the last game at Subiaco). Nary a problem as Hurn had laid a heavy hit on him in that game and the ball was well in the field of play on both occasions. Let him go.

3) When he scared seven shades of s*** out of Alex Rance in 2015 after the latter decided to punch a prone Jack Watts in the back of the head after he marked the ball. Jack rightly remonstrated and got Rance pinned on the ground. Again, no harm no foul (Rance deserved the treatment he got).

The third one is the key. When you have someone in a defenseless position, i.e. Wallis on Green, you leave them alone. Especially when the entire thing was over bar the shouting.

Edited August 3, 20213 yr by Colin B. Flaubert
'he' not 'we'