5 hours ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

This is a classic example of the confusing nature of the Rising Star Award.  It's always difficult to get a clear answer on the criteria for how it's awarded or the degree to which the judges look at:
a) the performances they've had over the course of the year.
b) the potential that player exhibits, based on their performances that year.

There has always been an ambiguity in the Rising Star award which has seen players like Lewis Taylor, who had a fine 2014, beating Marcus Bontempelli, who showed clear signs of the player he was going to be in the second half of that year.  River and Jordon have both had greater and more consistent output that Jackson this year but, from what we have seen, most would agree Jackson has the greater potential to be a 'star' in the future.

This keeps the award wide open and probably suggests it's between Jackson, Cox and Green.
 

Lewis Taylor beat Marcus Bontempelli for it a few years ago. Surely it's based on the season and not potential.

6 hours ago, Grimes Times said:

Nat saying he wins it or should be favorite over Jacko but one thing to consider with Jordon is his output v's game time.  Most weeks hes in the lowest few of time on ground and is still producing great numbers.

Last 2 weeks

R15 - TOG = 62% - 21 Disp 

R13 - TOG = 57% - 23 Disp -

 

 

That's a mystery in itself. From what I understand Jordon can run all day. Why is he getting limited TOG?

8 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Lewis Taylor beat Marcus Bontempelli for it a few years ago. Surely it's based on the season and not potential.

It's both - Bont's first season was nothing special whereas Taylor looked like a 25/goal a game star. Hasn't kicked on but it happens.

In terms of the Jordon/Jackson comparison, JJ is a hard working third year player. Jackson could be NikNat good and is a regular 2nd ruck as a 19yo in a top side having a decent scoreboard impact. Only one is a chance of winning rising star 

Kingy is on board

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/07/01/king-fancies-phenom-to-win-rising-star-award/

8 hours ago, Wrecker46 said:

That's a mystery in itself. From what I understand Jordon can run all day. Why is he getting limited TOG?

Still a young player, and I note that some of the other youngsters have lighter numbers too, eg Tom Sparrow. Probably managing loads as they aren’t machines and as I said still young.

Trent Rivers is paying 51/1... huge odds. He's flying so far under the radar it's not funny.

8 hours ago, Wrecker46 said:

That's a mystery in itself. From what I understand Jordon can run all day. Why is he getting limited TOG?

Think it may be a versatility thing, Brayshaw used to play 65-70% TOG when he was playing inside mid behind Trac, Oliver, Viney. Now he plays 85% time on ground on the wing. Essentially I think JJ’s second position is bench!

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Looking forward to 5-6 years of 'will Luke Jackson go back to WA' talk. 

1 hour ago, Luther said:

Trent Rivers is paying 51/1... huge odds. He's flying so far under the radar it's not funny.

As good as he's been, I can't see him beating Jackson or Jordon. Therefore, I can't see how he's as short as 50 to 1!

I'm sure it's been mentioned plenty of times, but I've obviously missed it.

How has the nickname of "Dogga" come about?

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9 minutes ago, JTR said:

I'm sure it's been mentioned plenty of times, but I've obviously missed it.

How has the nickname of "Dogga" come about?

They thought he looked like a dog

On 7/1/2021 at 9:56 AM, dazzledavey36 said:

*Toiler

Is that a euphuism? 

Goody said at  a Presser that Jacko can change momentum in a game. That is a big wrap. How many of those eligible to win the award are capable of that.

23 minutes ago, binman said:

Is that a euphuism? 

Is that a euphemism?  

24 minutes ago, demonstone said:

Is that a euphemism?  

Is that an euphonium?

7 hours ago, binman said:

Is that a euphuism? 

 

6 hours ago, demonstone said:

Is that a euphemism?  

 

6 hours ago, sue said:

Is that an euphonium?

Wow, so many vowels. Aye!

Well Nik Cox was horrendous tonight. Jackson will shorten after that.

On 7/1/2021 at 2:08 PM, kallangurdemon said:

   I'm surprised that Dogga is so short in the betting and the extent of the praise for him  .He is obviously athletic but to  date has generally had wooden hands .Hogan would clunk marks all day long even early in his career but Luke either drops them or takes them with 2 bites .If his marking comes good he will be a weapon but at the moment he is fairly limited.

Calling him just athletic is under selling his value.

His skills are almost unprecedented for a man his size. He is sublime below his knees, works way through traffic with ease and makes smart decisions.

There's nothing wrong with his hands per se, but by his own admission he does need to put some weight to help him stay strong in the contest.

Hogan is an unfair comparison - his body was ready-made for football. Jackson has work to do in that area but has the potential to be one of the most complete players the game has seen.

There's not a position on the ground that he's not suited to and that kind of flexibility is everything in the modern game.

In cricketing parlance, Jacko is our Richard Hadlee, Andrew Flintoff or Jaques Kallis. He allows so much flexibility at the selection table to go small, tall, or in between. The fact that we haven't had select an underdone Ben Brown is a testament to this.

On 7/2/2021 at 1:20 AM, Wrecker46 said:

That's a mystery in itself. From what I understand Jordon can run all day. Why is he getting limited TOG?

 

20 hours ago, adonski said:

Think it may be a versatility thing, Brayshaw used to play 65-70% TOG when he was playing inside mid behind Trac, Oliver, Viney. Now he plays 85% time on ground on the wing. Essentially I think JJ’s second position is bench!

More to do with the fact that we have to find 400% across the team to be on the bench. Jordan plays in a group that wishes to play above 85% so something and someone has to give. I would prefer Oliver and Petracca hit their minutes than giving them more bench time so Jordan can get out there more.

Jackson is pushing the best ruckman in the game out of the ruck at times.

That is unprecedented for a 19 year old. He is utterly ridiculous and will be a top 10 player in the league soon on this trajectory.

It's interesting that there have been a lot of repeat nominees this year, suggesting that a lot of older players have been nominated.

I wonder how much impact Covid has had on this year's draftees, who missed most if not all of their senior year?

On 7/1/2021 at 10:40 AM, The heart beats true said:

Damien Barrett spoke about Melbourne’s drafting from 2017 to 2019 on the AFL site over the weekend.

17.
Spargo
Fritsch
Petty

18.
Jordan
Sparrow

19.
Jackson
Pickett
Rivers

All playing consistent roles for the team. He was essentially arguing we’ve drafted as well as anyone - particularly in 17 and 18 when we didn’t have early picks. 

One third of the team in 3 drafts is exceptional.

 

I'm really happy with Taylor's recruitment and our development of players, but what's enabling these guys to have the impact they're having, is the easily and clearly defined roles and the system we play. They're all role players.

When all you need to do is work at your game at VFL level and then when you get your chance, play your role for the team, it must greatly reduce pressure on emerging players and clearly allows them to flourish. 

On 7/1/2021 at 11:51 AM, jnrmac said:

Good article here about Jason Taylor...

https://www.afl.com.au/news/65216/the-behind-the-scenes-guy-who-rebuilt-the-dees

Best mates with Bevo...

Was on the match committee with Choco for 3 straight flags at Sandy.

Was installing Air conditioning at Derek Hine's house (recruiting mgr for Collingwood) and asked him to help with his preso for the St Kilda recruiting job..

He's done well has Jason...

Good East Bentleigh boys, that's why. ?

8 hours ago, Dr.D said:

Well Nik Cox was horrendous tonight. Jackson will shorten after that.

Cox shouldn't even be in the conversation. Sorry. He barely touched it last week and was deadset liability last night with his lack of physicality and lack of running. Will be a good player but has tired massively and shouldn't get near the RS.

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9 minutes ago, A F said:

Cox shouldn't even be in the conversation. Sorry. He barely touched it last week and was deadset liability last night with his lack of physicality and lack of running. Will be a good player but has tired massively and shouldn't get near the RS.

I'm watching shades of Cale Morton with Cox..

Edited July 2, 20213 yr by dazzledavey36