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Potential priority pick for Kangas

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I nearly spat out my coffee. 
 

Kangas played finals in 2015 and 2016 and finished 9th in 2018.  FFS. 

Dees underperformed for years with a few wins scrapped together plus had to absorb the Suns and Giants introductions sucking in 9 of the top 15 picks across 2010 and 2011. 
 

Let the Kangas draft and trade their way out of the dungeon imv. 

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    Did I read today that North won 11-0 in 2016? Played finals and went out in 1st week. There is a lesson there somewhere.

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    Non issue. There might be a few media nuffies talk up the possibility for clicks, but I doubt North will even ask for one unless they go through the season winless (which they won't).

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    I think it comes down to what’s happening holistically within the club.

    We got a back door priority pick when we got pick three for Chip Frawley via free agency compensation, which was excessive. However, the steps that were taken that fixed us up properly were at management and coaching level. 
     

    If Gus and Tracc walked into the 2015 squad coached by Mark Neeld and with Cam Schwab running the show, they would have gone down the Scully (walked out), Grimes/Trengove (career mismanaged prior to premature retirement) or Morton (never lived up to potential before being traded) routes.

    I think the North story has yet to come out. Rhyce Shaw by all accounts was abandoned on the Gold Coast. Them cleaning the list out to the degree they did smacks of trying to find scapegoats for their own negligence. Perhaps a deeper dive needs to be done before priority picks get discussed.

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    39 minutes ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

    We got a back door priority pick when we got pick three for Chip Frawley via free agency compensation, which was excessive.

    I've seen this line trotted out a bit and it's absolute BS in my opinion. 

    The compensation was a pick immediately after our first pick, which is how the compensation system operates. It just so happened that our first pick was pick 2. If we had lost Chip after playing finals and the compensation was pick 12, no one would have batted an eyelid.

    Easy to forget that at the time, he was a 25 year-old, AA key defender and widely regarded as one of the best young key position players in the game. He was probably the equivalent of Weitering in today's terms. 

    Absolutely he was worth band one compensation at the time, regardless of how his career progressed afterwards.

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    The day we were denied a priority pick after being rubbish for 92 years, was the day the priority pick died....

     

    ... unless you are an expansion club or an AFL love child club 

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    10 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

    Why not also give one to Hawthorn and Collingwood?

    I think Geelong should get one too if they finish outside the top 4, just because of their aging list.

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    1 hour ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

    We got a back door priority pick when we got pick three for Chip Frawley via free agency compensation, which was excessive. However, the steps that were taken that fixed us up properly were at management and coaching level. 

    Frawley's contract amount pushed that pick to be compensation in the first round after our first pick. 

    Completely agree about your comment on management and coaching. Good management fixes clubs first.

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    So a club that decides to off load a number of senior players wants to get access to priority picks, sounds like a familiar story.  

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    North finished 17th last year and are now 0-8 with a percentage of 52%. The AFL needs to either give them priority pick(s) or they may as well wind up the club.

    Right or wrong, the AFL denied us in 2013/2014 due to tanking.

    As an aside, we don't have any early picks this year so any priority picks this year won't dilute us.

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    Just given them a priority ticket to Tasmania 

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    1 hour ago, Jaded said:

    AFL love child

    Not attacking you personally here Jaded, but that phrase and "bathwater" are surely the two most overused and abused terms that keep popping up on this forum ad nauseam.

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    3 minutes ago, demonstone said:

    Not attacking you personally here Jaded, but that phrase and "bathwater" are surely the two most overused and abused terms that keep popping up on this forum ad nauseam.

    Look, I could have just said Sydney, Geelong, Hawthorn or GWS.... but it was quicker just to type Love Child instead. 

    I apologise. 

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    No apology required, but I reckon I've heard nearly every club except ours called that at some stage.

    Again, it wasn't personal.   I just see it as another symptom of "The AFL hates us" self-pitying defeatism and negativity  that has pervaded this forum for a long time.  Some call it MFCSS.  ?

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    Seems outrageous but nothing about the AFL surprises me these days.

    If they did relocate to Tassie it wouldn't surprise if they also got a bundle of concessions including picks and zones

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    3 hours ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

    I think it comes down to what’s happening holistically within the club.

    We got a back door priority pick when we got pick three for Chip Frawley via free agency compensation, which was excessive. However, the steps that were taken that fixed us up properly were at management and coaching level. 
     

    If Gus and Tracc walked into the 2015 squad coached by Mark Neeld and with Cam Schwab running the show, they would have gone down the Scully (walked out), Grimes/Trengove (career mismanaged prior to premature retirement) or Morton (never lived up to potential before being traded) routes.

    I think the North story has yet to come out. Rhyce Shaw by all accounts was abandoned on the Gold Coast. Them cleaning the list out to the degree they did smacks of trying to find scapegoats for their own negligence. Perhaps a deeper dive needs to be done before priority picks get discussed.

    Speaking of I’m positive I saw a glimpse of Rhyce on the Gold Coast during there last game, he looked like he is the Suns runner.

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    Too many f’s given.

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    22 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

    Speaking of I’m positive I saw a glimpse of Rhyce on the Gold Coast during there last game, he looked like he is the Suns runner.

    You are correct. He is the runner up there.

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    41 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

    Seems outrageous but nothing about the AFL surprises me these days.

    If they did relocate to Tassie it wouldn't surprise if they also got a bundle of concessions including picks and zones

    The AFL would add some sweeteners as the deal is evolved.

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    I think, as has been said earlier, the AFL has realised that one player isn't the answer - and that structural changes behind the scenes are of more long term value . A kid from country Vic being sent to the Suns at Pick 1 is likely to leave in 3-4 years. A good CEO and some infrastructure around coaching makes much more difference - as we know. 

    So essentially the request for a priority pick from a club publicly, when it comes, is more of a cap in hand situation. The AFL may dish one out, but you better believe it comes with some significant 'involvement' from head office. I see it more as a public mea culpa.

    Will be interesting for North. There's some arrogant ego's involved.

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    As some have already mentioned in this thread I think offering the required financial incentives to get the right back of house staff in the door would be of far greater benefit to them long term. Whatever happened to their famed war chest ?  

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    No issues if they get one. 

    They look like a 1-21 side. 

    It would take a calamity of a performance for a team to lose to them this year.

    GC have been rubbish for 10 years and they've received a couple of late.

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