+80 this is an absolute [censored] outrage.

I had know idea it was this high.

#FML

Get that [censored] trending on the socials Dee fanatics.

3 hours ago, daisycutter said:

can one get free kick statistics by umpire by game?

I'd like to see each umpires for and against free kicks for all melbourne's games this year

I’d like to see this too if anyone has it, particularly for umpire #26. Has to be a Dogs supporter. 

10 hours ago, Star of the 80s said:

I’d like to see the figures for the 2016 finals series...I bet you’ll find a similar trend of favouritism towards the Dogs. 

For the entire finals series they were +31

11 hours ago, The heart beats true said:

So I just did the math and the Bulldogs have AVERAGED +8 free kicks over their last 6 games.

?

Many of the Doggies players have now mastered the 'Selwood shoulder shove' whereby a completely legal tackle is dealt with by the following: 

• the player feels the tackle, noticing that it is a good one
• the player forcefully raises his arm from under the tacker's arm in the legal, low position
• simultaneously with the above, the player 'ducks the head' and torso as the offending arm is raised to shoulder height or higher, to neck height, thanks to the 'duck' and their tackling arm being forced upwards
• the player stops all forward momentum and drops to his knees or lower where body weight forces the (talented) tackler's arm even high up across the head. At this point, some very artful dramatic queens feign horrible agonies and twisted, facial contortions for the alleged violation of a head-high tackle, yet get up once the free is awarded without a problem in the world
• a few wobbles of the head by the player exacerbates the now 'head high' infringement status and short-lived head pains
• a free kick is rapidly awarded from the umpire, which is absolute 'tull bisht'.

These little tricks and deceptions are now rife and well-practised amongst the Doggies' on-ballers and feeding lateral forwards, enabling many frees and deceptions in  any game, and hence a high, positive free kick tally. 

There's something rotten in the state of play when rules can be manipulated for artificial gain.

30 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Many of the Doggies players have now mastered the 'Selwood shoulder shove' whereby a completely legal tackle is dealt with by the following: 

• the player feels the tackle, noticing that it is a good one
• the player forcefully raises his arm from under the tacker's arm in the legal, low position
• simultaneously with the above, the player 'ducks the head' and torso as the offending arm is raised to shoulder height or higher, to neck height, thanks to the 'duck' and their tackling arm being forced upwards
• the player stops all forward momentum and drops to his knees or lower where body weight forces the (talented) tackler's arm even high up across the head. At this point, some very artful dramatic queens feign horrible agonies and twisted, facial contortions for the alleged violation of a head-high tackle, yet get up once the free is awarded without a problem in the world
• a few wobbles of the head by the player exacerbates the now 'head high' infringement status and short-lived head pains
• a free kick is rapidly awarded from the umpire, which is absolute 'tull bisht'.

These little tricks and deceptions are now rife and well-practised amongst the Doggies' on-ballers and feeding lateral forwards, enabling many frees and deceptions in  any game, and hence a high, positive free kick tally. 

There's something rotten in the state of play when rules can be manipulated for artificial gain.

Not to mention blatant flicks and throws feigned as handpasses, especially from within contests or when players know they are unsighted by the field umpire (e.g. near the boundary facing the boundary). This illegal advantage in speed of ball movement increases the likelihood that the opposition is 2nd to the ball in any subsequent contest, increasing the chance of infringement against Dogs players.

The high negative differential for the Tigers can be put down to their drop in form / ageing legspeed leading to frustration at contests, etc.

3 hours ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Many of the Doggies players have now mastered the 'Selwood shoulder shove' whereby a completely legal tackle is dealt with by the following: 

Not just the Dogs, but quite a few players across all teams have mastered the art of hurling themselves sideways to the ground at first contact. Then hug the ball to get a ball up. Umps fall for it every single time. Funny, I thought the thing they were supposed to do was attempt to dispose correctly. It should be considered prior opportunity.

There was a game earlier this season, Ess v Suns I think, and Hooker of Ess had the ball, was being chased, and flung himself full length sideways to the ground. Only trouble was, he misjudged and the opposing player wasn't near him!

It's a coaches wet dream, all the ways the players have to manipulate the contest and the umpiring. The game is degenerating. And the AFL admin just let it happen, right under their noses.

4 hours ago, GCDee said:

For the entire finals series they were +31

They were allowed to throw the ball at will in 2016, Giants in PF and Swans in GF got killed by the umpires. 

10 hours ago, Win4theAges said:

+80 this is an absolute [censored] outrage.

I had know idea it was this high.

#FML

Get that [censored] trending on the socials Dee fanatics.

Dogs definitely get favoured treatment, I couldn’t believe when one of their players got called for a double handed throw in the /2nd half, umpires normally never call a Dog throw!

They should change name from Bulldogs to Throwdogs! Also very very rarely get done for holding the ball or incorrect disposal!

25-11 differential is almost like having an extra player, and the momentum the umpiring decisions kill, makes a big difference!

 

51 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

Not just the Dogs, but quite a few players across all teams have mastered the art of hurling themselves sideways to the ground at first contact. Then hug the ball to get a ball up. Umps fall for it every single time. Funny, I thought the thing they were supposed to do was attempt to dispose correctly. It should be considered prior opportunity.

There was a game earlier this season, Ess v Suns I think, and Hooker of Ess had the ball, was being chased, and flung himself full length sideways to the ground. Only trouble was, he misjudged and the opposing player wasn't near him!

It's a coaches wet dream, all the ways the players have to manipulate the contest and the umpiring. The game is degenerating. And the AFL admin just let it happen, right under their noses.

yes, you are a mug these days to try and dispose of the ball.  Odds are you may fail and get pinged. Far better to fall to the ground hugging the ball while pretending you are suffering an epileptic fit. (Even that is not consistently required - most of the time you need do nothing, but occasionally you will get pinged if you don't jerk about even if it is clearly futile to do so).  If the AFL wants a free flowing game, then favour disposal attempts rather than incentivising a ball-up.

56 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

Not just the Dogs, but quite a few players across all teams have mastered the art of hurling themselves sideways to the ground at first contact. Then hug the ball to get a ball up. Umps fall for it every single time. Funny, I thought the thing they were supposed to do was attempt to dispose correctly. It should be considered prior opportunity.

There was a game earlier this season, Ess v Suns I think, and Hooker of Ess had the ball, was being chased, and flung himself full length sideways to the ground. Only trouble was, he misjudged and the opposing player wasn't near him!

It's a coaches wet dream, all the ways the players have to manipulate the contest and the umpiring. The game is degenerating. And the AFL admin just let it happen, right under their noses.

Well posited discussions. The game most certainly is degenerating; so many new rules/protocols have facilitated widespread onfield misinterpretation and manipulation within an ether that most assuredly the AFL does nothing to ameliorate. They (the AFL) will be the last to admit their error ... in the meantime, such confusion and practice is condoned. 

40 minutes ago, D4Life said:

They were allowed to throw the ball at will in 2016, Giants in PF and Swans in GF got killed by the umpires. 

Dogs definitely get favoured treatment, I couldn’t believe when one of their players got called for a double handed throw in the /2nd half, umpires normally never call a Dog throw!

They should change name from Bulldogs to Throwdogs! Also very very rarely get done for holding the ball or incorrect disposal!

25-11 differential is almost like having an extra player, and the momentum the umpiring decisions kill, makes a big difference!

 

And they're still allowed in 2021 apparently, I saw at least half a dozen on Saturday night and only one was penalised (pretty sure it was just the one).

4 hours ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Many of the Doggies players have now mastered the 'Selwood shoulder shove' whereby a completely legal tackle is dealt with by the following: 

• the player feels the tackle, noticing that it is a good one
• the player forcefully raises his arm from under the tacker's arm in the legal, low position
• simultaneously with the above, the player 'ducks the head' and torso as the offending arm is raised to shoulder height or higher, to neck height, thanks to the 'duck' and their tackling arm being forced upwards
• the player stops all forward momentum and drops to his knees or lower where body weight forces the (talented) tackler's arm even high up across the head. At this point, some very artful dramatic queens feign horrible agonies and twisted, facial contortions for the alleged violation of a head-high tackle, yet get up once the free is awarded without a problem in the world
• a few wobbles of the head by the player exacerbates the now 'head high' infringement status and short-lived head pains
• a free kick is rapidly awarded from the umpire, which is absolute 'tull bisht'.

These little tricks and deceptions are now rife and well-practised amongst the Doggies' on-ballers and feeding lateral forwards, enabling many frees and deceptions in  any game, and hence a high, positive free kick tally. 

There's something rotten in the state of play when rules can be manipulated for artificial gain.

Good point but if the umpires did their job it would be dealt with. If the umpires won’t let get on the Dogs tactics and milk what we can. If I was the umpiring fraternity in their Monday review I would list the Selwood/Daniher types. Unless free were absolutely there they shouldn’t get them. There reputations should precede them. That would quickly stop what is intentional cheating.

This is what you look like when you claim umpires are somehow conspiring to effect the result of games. It's just rubbish.  

11 minutes ago, Smokey said:

This is what you look like when you claim umpires are somehow conspiring to effect the result of games. It's just rubbish.  

Don’t bring logic into the argument!!

Everyone knows Dogs are umps favourites!

What’s more umpire 22 hates us!

53 minutes ago, Smokey said:

This is what you look like when you claim umpires are somehow conspiring to effect the result of games. It's just rubbish.  

I don’t think they are conspiring to effect the results, but I think their biases do impact results. The AFL left behind the world of true equality sometime in about 1973 and since then we’ve been dealing in the much more lucrative world of ‘public opinion’. You only have to look at how the tribunal gets adjudicated to know that the league likes the ‘perception of fairness’ more than it’s ugly neighbour ‘the truth’. Or, as another example, everyone whinged about Joel Selwood for 10 years (and KB before him) and they literally changed the rules as a result. So, the more the AFL is aware of the fact they have a biase, the more they are inclined to fix it.

I don’t need to make an argument to say the umpires favour the Bulldogs. The numbers are there in black and white. What we need is more awareness around it, as it has proven to be the solution.

Don't blame the umpires it starts higher up the food chain than that.

We have always thought that they check the stats at half time and make an adjustment in the second half, but these days it is way more high tech. I have a friend who is a well qualified to chat with me about competency and how it is managed and assessed in the AFL umpiring workplace .

We all know the umps are micked-up as we see when there is a goal review.With COVID and no crowds the off field game day advisor can watch the game and communicate in real time with all the officials to offer encouragement and point out areas that need to tighten up. What this means that whoever was overseeing Saturday night must have been relatively content with the adjudication as there was no adjustment or evening up of frees. The AFL under Hocking allow throwing of the ball as we know it , incorrect disposal and staging. How else can you explain that the practise continues when there is a system in place to address it in game?

6 hours ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Many of the Doggies players have now mastered the 'Selwood shoulder shove' whereby a completely legal tackle is dealt with by the following: 

• the player feels the tackle, noticing that it is a good one
• the player forcefully raises his arm from under the tacker's arm in the legal, low position
• simultaneously with the above, the player 'ducks the head' and torso as the offending arm is raised to shoulder height or higher, to neck height, thanks to the 'duck' and their tackling arm being forced upwards
• the player stops all forward momentum and drops to his knees or lower where body weight forces the (talented) tackler's arm even high up across the head. At this point, some very artful dramatic queens feign horrible agonies and twisted, facial contortions for the alleged violation of a head-high tackle, yet get up once the free is awarded without a problem in the world
• a few wobbles of the head by the player exacerbates the now 'head high' infringement status and short-lived head pains
• a free kick is rapidly awarded from the umpire, which is absolute 'tull bisht'.

These little tricks and deceptions are now rife and well-practised amongst the Doggies' on-ballers and feeding lateral forwards, enabling many frees and deceptions in  any game, and hence a high, positive free kick tally. 

There's something rotten in the state of play when rules can be manipulated for artificial gain.

Our Young Charlie Spargo is quite adapt at this too, I wish he would remove it from his game, it doesn't allow me to get righteous about Selwood and Co

24 minutes ago, Demon_spurs said:

Our Young Charlie Spargo is quite adapt at this too, I wish he would remove it from his game, it doesn't allow me to get righteous about Selwood and Co

Fairy Nuff, have noticed it only on occasion so perhaps I had forgotten this aspect of his game. 

1 hour ago, Deesprate said:

Good point but if the umpires did their job it would be dealt with. If the umpires won’t let get on the Dogs tactics and milk what we can. If I was the umpiring fraternity in their Monday review I would list the Selwood/Daniher types. Unless free were absolutely there they shouldn’t get them. There reputations should precede them. That would quickly stop what is intentional cheating.

One would hope...

6 hours ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Many of the Doggies players have now mastered the 'Selwood shoulder shove' whereby a completely legal tackle is dealt with by the following: 

• the player feels the tackle, noticing that it is a good one
• the player forcefully raises his arm from under the tacker's arm in the legal, low position
• simultaneously with the above, the player 'ducks the head' and torso as the offending arm is raised to shoulder height or higher, to neck height, thanks to the 'duck' and their tackling arm being forced upwards
• the player stops all forward momentum and drops to his knees or lower where body weight forces the (talented) tackler's arm even high up across the head. At this point, some very artful dramatic queens feign horrible agonies and twisted, facial contortions for the alleged violation of a head-high tackle, yet get up once the free is awarded without a problem in the world
• a few wobbles of the head by the player exacerbates the now 'head high' infringement status and short-lived head pains
• a free kick is rapidly awarded from the umpire, which is absolute 'tull bisht'.

These little tricks and deceptions are now rife and well-practised amongst the Doggies' on-ballers and feeding lateral forwards, enabling many frees and deceptions in  any game, and hence a high, positive free kick tally. 

There's something rotten in the state of play when rules can be manipulated for artificial gain.

Two things to add  to this.Their Coach should be looked at for bending rules to stop the progress of the Game as a whole, and this is not the only type of fringe manipulation occurring.

The other noticeable change is the blurring of the holding and releasing and controlling of the ball in general play.

All these ploys are generally done quite early in each game played and decide how the game as a whole should be conducted throughout its duration.

This is how Ed Richards got concussion. Ed saw Kozzi coming at him and the coaching Ed has received told him to buckle at the knees so the tackle would go high... except the tackle was a rugby tackle. Point of the shoulder aimed for the sternum. Lights out Richards. 

If these players want an easy free, make them earn it.

1 minute ago, willmoy said:

The other noticeable change is the blurring of the holding and releasing and controlling of the ball in general play.

One part of the game I really dislike (from all teams), players deliberately not picking up the ball or conveniently dropping it to try milk a holding the man free. 

11 minutes ago, Youngwilliam said:

This is how Ed Richards got concussion. Ed saw Kozzi coming at him and the coaching Ed has received told him to buckle at the knees so the tackle would go high... except the tackle was a rugby tackle. Point of the shoulder aimed for the sternum. Lights out Richards. 

If these players want an easy free, make them earn it.

Could not believe it when I heard David King suggesting Kozzie could be in trouble for that. Kozzie went the body, Richards instigated the head clash. 

For me all the slippery head high contact ones they get (particularly with the likes of Caleb Daniel) are part of the game, it sucks and it’s a little sneaky but so be it. It’s the fact that they get tackled and then will blatantly drop the ball without an attempt to dispose of it properly, or they throw more than you would see at a Storm game, and that the umpires seem to call those free kicks against us but not them. That’s not even mentioning the amount of times Max, TMac, May, and others got blocked from jumping at the ball and yet some how Hannan gets a free for a push in the back when he does an unrealistic attempt at a speckie. 

It’s the inconsistencies that anger fans. 

 

 

 

 

Dogs Frees

• Year             For-Agst             Free%            Frees in finals
• 2014              379-373            101.2
• 2015              397 - 387         101.03         15-20
• 2016              530-418            126.79          79-48
• 2017              433-370             117.03        
• 2018              473-425             111.29
• 2019              478-386            123.83         34-28
• 2020             286-271             105.54 
• 2021*            374-294            127.21

*to date

FWIW they have a charmed run with the umps               

4 hours ago, Smokey said:

This is what you look like when you claim umpires are somehow conspiring to effect the result of games. It's just rubbish.  

Yea your right. 25 to 11 frees on a very wet night had no impact whatsoever on the result.