On 21/03/2021 at 22:50, BW511 said:

He wins a mountain of footy but doesn't do any great damage from a game sense. [Ed: Tom Mitchell]

 

 

Enough damage to win a Brownlow, though.

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I remember 10 years ago we had all these supposed match winners and no one to win the ball.  Didnt work out too well for us then.  I think Oliver's skillset is essential from a team balance, however at a price.  Hawthorn and Geelong players sacrified $$ for success - im watching with interest

 

  On 21/03/2021 at 23:29, BW511 said:

I'm not saying he isn't a great player, but he isn't the most important player in our team.

Earlier in the thread I listed players I thought had a direct impact on our result, I'll do it again;

This is exactly the point, he’s a very even contributor and gets plenty of attention, but from an opposition point of view he would not be the one they want to stop. I think it would currently be Trac, Gawn, May and/or Lever then Oliver. He was rated our 5th best yesterday in the match report, so even they thought a lot of his 35 touches weren’t great or important.

There will be days in the future when  Clarry will get his disposal at a genuine 80% or more.

BTW when he kicked on Sat he did a mountain of damage fur to the speed accuracy and low flight left or right. Handballs were a mixed bag no real hot potatoes though,

And the critics cannot say how and how many players will get 30 plus possessions on each game to replace Clarry. That's 35 or 15 and 20 that the opposition have to get that WE ARE Benefiting from. I don't think some of you critics of Clarry  appreciate or see all that Clarry does.

All the experts including Caro saying ehy haven't we signed him up yet are jumping the gun, How long did we negotiate with Lever and Gawn No one knows Its just that Clarry and Trac are much more public and seeming much more important for our future.

  On 21/03/2021 at 13:41, Chook said:

My thing with Oliver is he doesn't drive standards. He's a follower, and Melbourne will never win a premiership with followers because our history dictates we need everyone to drive us in the right direction or else our culture won't change enough to deliver a flag.

He isn't a follower if no one goes and gets where he goes??

  On 22/03/2021 at 02:08, Superunknown said:

Enough damage to win a Brownlow, though.

BW5 Clarry  is IMZo another level above Tom Mitchell who  is a good accumulator But not many other skills.

Clarry is not a one trick pony and will be better in this next 100 games in impact on our results NOT ONE of the detractors has even said or thought about the next level he can go to which is scary.

  On 21/03/2021 at 22:51, BW511 said:

Oliver's stats are not winning us games of football, despite what everyone thinks.

See above example

BW you are basically shooting the messenger Clarry is with an improvement in handball / and or more kicking ratio capable of improvement.

Many  of the others struggle to get 15/20 possessions why not criticise them as they don't impact the game as much as Clarry.

Surely  you saw the Bulldogs  game without him and although only a practice game it showed how he would   be missed. Trac took until his 6 th year to fully mature and Anguswe are still waiting  for !! 
So Lay off Clarry a bit and question why others with ability are underehelmingly performing consistently and not impacting our results.

  On 22/03/2021 at 02:10, 58er said:

There will be days in the future when  Clarry will get his disposal at a genuine 80% or more.

BTW when he kicked on Sat he did a mountain of damage fur to the speed accuracy and low flight left or right. Handballs were a mixed bag no real hot potatoes though,

And the critics cannot say how and how many players will get 30 plus possessions on each game to replace Clarry. That's 35 or 15 and 20 that the opposition have to get that WE ARE Benefiting from. I don't think some of you critics of Clarry  appreciate or see all that Clarry does.

All the experts including Caro saying ehy haven't we signed him up yet are jumping the gun, How long did we negotiate with Lever and Gawn No one knows Its just that Clarry and Trac are much more public and seeming much more important for our future.

Clary in a top side like Richmond or Geelong would be a different player: would have time to be extraordinarily damaging which he doesn’t have now. This year is crucial for us to demonstrate to him we can be that team, as we did in 2018. 
 

Up to us really. My problem, is l don’t think Goodwin has the coaching skills to deliver it.

We don't win last Saturday without Oliver.,

Disaster for the club if he leaves unless we got the best trade of all time for him...even then....got to get that signature

  On 22/03/2021 at 02:09, Waltham33 said:

I remember 10 years ago we had all these supposed match winners and no one to win the ball.  Didnt work out too well for us then.  I think Oliver's skillset is essential from a team balance, however at a price.  Hawthorn and Geelong players sacrified $$ for success - im watching with interest

 

Look at Richmond, you would have Martin, Cotchin, Riewoldt and Lynch then the rest, more than one model works.

  On 22/03/2021 at 02:41, Pollyanna said:

We don't win last Saturday without Oliver.,

I agree. I an not saying he is not important, far from it, l am simply saying we need to be able to make the case that he has a brilliant future playing for us. This is why our performance this year at the least needs to reflect 2018.

  On 22/03/2021 at 02:37, Dees2014 said:

Clary in a top side like Richmond or Geelong would be a different player: would have time to be extraordinarily damaging which he doesn’t have now. This year is crucial for us to demonstrate to him we can be that team, as we did in 2018. 
 

Up to us really. My problem, is l don’t think Goodwin has the coaching skills to deliver it.

Can you please give some examples of what you mean? 

  On 22/03/2021 at 02:57, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Can you please give some examples of what you mean? 

In what particular aspect?

  On 21/03/2021 at 14:33, praha said:

Lots of pressure on club this year.

Pressure on Goodwin.

Pressure on Pert, Bartlett and co to justify decisions and mitigate potential disaster.

If they don't sign Clayton we'll be losing our best midfielder since our last flag winning team.

Anyway even remotely suggesting he is.not a huge loss is absolutely kidding themselves. 

Losing Oliver will set us back years. 

Richmond, Hawthorn, Geelong never let young guns in their prime walk. They kept the core in tact. Oliver would be leaving before his prime and he's already amazing.

Needs to be signed up asap.

 

This.

Our most important player. He runs our midfield. Midfields win games and premierships.

If you go to the contracts thread you get a gist of where everyone is at. Players such as Melksham, Hibberd, Jones, Gawn, May, Tmac and Lever (although only 25) have either had or coming to the end of their payday. I’m guessing Ben Brown would be on good money without being extravagant, Oliver and Petracca are about to have theirs. I would not hesitate giving Oliver 3.2 million over 4 and Petracca 4 million over 4. I think there’s still plenty for Salem and Weid both who need to show more. 

So does anyone on here know the reason(s) as to why why Clayton hasn't recommitted to the club as yet?.

Not enough money?

Issues with Goodwin?

Lack of faith in the direction of the club?

I would love to know.

  On 22/03/2021 at 03:15, Commissioner Dreyfus said:

So does anyone on here know the reason(s) as to why why Clayton hasn't recommitted to the club as yet?.

Not enough money?

Issues with Goodwin?

Lack of faith in the direction of the club?

I would love to know.

 

  On 22/03/2021 at 02:57, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Can you please give some examples of what you mean? 

I will have a crack.  In a better team like Geelong or Richmond he would be less likely to get tagged.  With better players around him and better coached team he would have others screening/blocking for him more often.

Atm he has to do things the hard way because he is every week tagged.  We need players like Harmes/Viney/Brayshaw to do a lot more blocking for him....or getting out into space to receive his handballs.

Those 3 players i mention do not require teams to put any thought into us....Tag Clarry and Petracca, let the others do whatever.

Our midfield does not scare any of the other teams right now.   Viney/Brayshaw/Harmes all need to hurt the opposition in some way.  Currently they really don't.   All are overpaid for their output and consistency/value to the team.

Would be paying Oliver whatever he wants....i would go as far to say that would not swap him for all of those 3 put together.  He is THAT valuable to us.   Without him we drop off a cliff.

  On 22/03/2021 at 03:15, Commissioner Dreyfus said:

So does anyone on here know the reason(s) as to why why Clayton hasn't recommitted to the club as yet?.

Not enough money?

Issues with Goodwin?

Lack of faith in the direction of the club?

I would love to know.

I would think it's all to do with sustained success. Clayton and the club were expecting to be well and truly playing consistent finals by now.

I haven't read this entire thread but here are two comments in response to recent posts:

1. Anyone who thinks Oliver isn't a matchwinner/influential player or that the club will be able to cope without him is absolutely, completely and utterly wrong;
2. Does anyone have any actual source/information to suggest he hasn't re-signed yet because he's lost faith in the club, or similar?

  On 22/03/2021 at 01:28, Doug Reemer said:

Every side need a ball winner like Oliver at the coldface.

Hahahahaha!!   As long as he doesn't give us the cold shoulder, I suppose.  

On Saturday I saw both Goodwin and Yze have one on one chats with Oliver during the breaks and while Oliver was on the boundary. I’m not sure if the club is trying to really show him how much he’s wanted and needed, or if it’s just a normal process. But they certainly didn’t take anyone else for one on one chats. 
 

Oliver is an out and out star. His ability to win the contested ball is extraordinary and he is as important to our team as May is. Anyone who thinks we can just replace him is kidding themselves. 
He is consistently in the top five players in the competition for clearances and contested possessions. Unless you think we are replacing him with Cripps, we will be a far poorer team without him. And our chances of a flag will be significantly diminished. We need to move heaven and earth to keep him!

  On 22/03/2021 at 02:37, Dees2014 said:

Clary in a top side like Richmond or Geelong would be a different player: would have time to be extraordinarily damaging which he doesn’t have now. This year is crucial for us to demonstrate to him we can be that team, as we did in 2018. 
 

Up to us really. My problem, is l don’t think Goodwin has the coaching skills to deliver it.

That's why we have hired Yze Dee2014

Also the Cats and Tigers are irrelevant as Clarry  mostly gets first hands on the ball.

Its up to him and Yze to reform his kick/ handball ratio and Change his approach to greater impact in this process.

Its a  2 way Bargain and a win win for the team taking this on now.

  On 21/03/2021 at 11:48, Dr.D said:

whatever he asks for he gets. He has shown more than Petracca over a longer period of time. Multiple All-australians and multiple best and fairests. Whilst petracca has the forward craft, petracca doesn't have the clearance work that Oliver has. 

Oliver is quite possibly the best midfielder the Mfc has ever had. Can this be denied? If not, then he is definitely in the mix. On average 50% of first rounders fail. so the odds that we get a player as good as Oliver with 2 first rounders is next to zero. 

THIS 

Trac is fantastic but he's had one good season.  Clarry has been consistent since 2017.  

They are two different beasts, but it amazes how the posters on this site are blinded by Trac's flashier efforts and rate these over the consistency of Oliver.

I'm sure Clarry will resign, his bond with blokes like Petracca and Salem is very obvious. It's normal for players and/or their management to draw out this part of the process. They will execute when they feel they have the leverage required.

I'm more curious about how some of you are qualifying these opinions that Clarry isn't happy with club, coach etc. 

Edited March 22, 20214 yr by Smokey