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Very strange thread. 

Who cares what he earns. 

The only thing that matters is that he stays a demon, preferably long term..

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Geez, there are some pretty ordinary takes in this thread. Oliver is an absolute must keep.

Hmmm, Carlton you say?  

35 touches at 80% and 7 clearances and Melbourne supporters still think he had just an average game.  Name one other player on our list who would have these post game stats and not be considered to

3 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Very strange thread. 

Who cares what he earns. 

The only thing that matters is that he stays a demon, preferably long term..

I dont think anyone is questioning around the financial stuff, but more so his worth as a player.

Personally if it was up to me he'd be the highest paid player on our list. That's how bloody good he is.

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6 hours ago, BW511 said:

Oliver had 25 handballs.

Using this game alone, who was more effective;

Trac - 25 (13 Kicks 11 handballs and 2.1 Goals - Including one that missed everything when he 'played on')

Oliver - 35 (10 Kicks 25 handballs)

Tim Watson is not wrong, even with the high numbers Oliver produced.

How do people feel about Tom Mitchell from Hawthorn?

He wins a mountain of footy but doesn't do any great damage from a game sense.

 

 

But Tom Mitchell is still good enough to win a Brownlow Medal!!

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In the SEN interview, Pert said: 

“He’s not indicating that he wants to see how he’s playing or the team is performing, it’s more about that we’re having conversation (on a range of things) and there might be some talk around the financial packaging....we move on all these things as quickly as the player and manager wants. Ideally it never becomes a distraction throughout the year.”

My take on this is that negotiations are some way down the track.  No need for the dispondancy.

 

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2 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I dont think anyone is questioning around the financial stuff, but more so his worth as a player.

And the difference in those two is...?

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7 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

He’ll sign for 2 years 

Of course he will. 

Since FA was introduced very few top players have signed beyond their FA (8th) year.  And then only for mega deals.

He will get paid handsomely for the next two years.  Then he can go to the club of choice and get a big payday, if that is what he wants. 

Unless a player is really unhappy all managers will advise them to contract until their 8th year.

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2 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

Does anyone have any actual source/information to suggest he hasn't re-signed yet because he's lost faith in the club, or similar?

It's called guesswork and the need to create negativity

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1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Of course he will. 

Since FA was introduced very few top players have signed beyond their FA (8th) year.  And then only for mega deals.

He will get paid handsomely for the next two years.  Then he can go to the club of choice and get a big payday, if that is what he wants. 

Unless a player is really unhappy all managers will advise them to contract until their 8th year.

If Oliver wanted out at the end of the year it would be a lot harder to cross to the team of his choice as opposed to being a free agent - would it not?

I'm expecting a 2 year extension but that's contingent on us not having a disastrous year and Oliver being happy with the coaching staff and his football in general.

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1 minute ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

If Oliver wanted out at the end of the year it would be a lot harder to cross to the team of his choice as opposed to being a free agent - would it not?

I'm expecting a 2 year extension but that's contingent on us not having a disastrous year and Oliver being happy with the coaching staff and his football in general.

Definitely much harder.  The team that wants him has to find 2 frist round picks and it would have to be around 5-6 and the other in the low teens.  

Not many clubs will have that draft hand.  Unless of course they do what WCE did with Kelly and hand over a batch of late 1st round picks and 2nd round picks (current and future).  Hell would break lose on here if that happened.

 

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22 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Definitely much harder.  The team that wants him has to find 2 frist round picks and it would have to be around 5-6 and the other in the low teens.  

Not many clubs will have that draft hand.  Unless of course they do what WCE did with Kelly and hand over a batch of late 1st round picks and 2nd round picks (current and future).  Hell would break lose on here if that happened.

 

If he is determined to go and forces the club’s hand then we have to get a proven player plus a high pick in return. We have enough developing youngsters as it is.

If it’s Essendon I want Merrett and perhaps a high second rounder. If Carlton then I would try for Saad (he doesn’t seem to mind switching clubs) and a first rounder.

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1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

And the difference in those two is...?

Well we have some that say that he's actually not that important of a player and can be replaceable (ridiculous really..) and some questioning whether they're willing to pay top dollar.

Give him what he wants.

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5 hours ago, Superunknown said:

My man! My 5-nearly-6 yo LOVES Trac. (And Romsey Lever, coz his grandma used to teach him. And Ed Langdon, coz dad loves that Energizer Bunny in long sleeves.)

Trac sells memberships, wins games.

When Petracca gets bullocking, lightning stands still.

-Old Jungle Saying

Thanks for the backup for my opinion.

And your post is a straight out work of art.

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petracca wouldn't be able to do half of what he does without clarry giving the ball to him, yes trac is the dusty mould who walks out the front of stoppages, kicks goals and looks good doing it all but imagine if clarry wasn't burried under every pack it would be the oppo waltzing out the front door. as crucial cog as any in our side and that cannot be debated

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4 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Well we have some that say that he's actually not that important of a player and can be replaceable (ridiculous really..) and some questioning whether they're willing to pay top dollar.

Give him what he wants.

Play finals and that will take care of it's self.

There are many on here that don't believe in body language or other clues to feelings and emotion bias but Clayton gives none of the indicators that he wants to be somewhere else.

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This conversation is distinctly reminding me of the way so many Demon fans started talking down Hogan when we were anxious about him leaving.  And that went on for years.

Different person, different situation, different everything, really.

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Also, this.  Coaches Votes, round 1.

Melbourne v Fremantle

10 Steven May (MELB)
7 Clayton Oliver (MELB)
7 Jake Lever (MELB)
4 Tom McDonald (MELB)
2 Andrew Brayshaw (FRE)

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13 hours ago, BW511 said:

Oliver's stats are not winning us games of football, despite what everyone thinks.

See above example

Including the coaches it seems...

I think they might have a better idea than you.

See below example.

8 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

Also, this.  Coaches Votes, round 1.

Melbourne v Fremantle

10 Steven May (MELB)
7 Clayton Oliver (MELB)
7 Jake Lever (MELB)
4 Tom McDonald (MELB)
2 Andrew Brayshaw (FRE)

 

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8 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

Also, this.  Coaches Votes, round 1.

Melbourne v Fremantle

10 Steven May (MELB)
7 Clayton Oliver (MELB)
7 Jake Lever (MELB)
4 Tom McDonald (MELB)
2 Andrew Brayshaw (FRE)

 

Steven May 5 and 5 votes
Clayton Oliver 4 and 3 votes
Jake Lever 4 and 3 votes
Tom McDonald 2 and 2 votes
Andrew Brayshaw 1 and 1 votes

Looks like the only disagreement was on Lever and Oliver.

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11 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

Also, this.  Coaches Votes, round 1.

Melbourne v Fremantle

10 Steven May (MELB)
7 Clayton Oliver (MELB)
7 Jake Lever (MELB)
4 Tom McDonald (MELB)
2 Andrew Brayshaw (FRE)

I had some nufty try to tell me on Facebook that Oliver was nowhere near best on ground. I'd have Oliver and Lever ahead of May personally, but clearly the three best players on the ground.

The nufty has similar company on here who constantly pick Oliver's game apart. It's like they've never seen a Melbourne team play prior to Oliver's debut. I've been banging on for years on Demonland that he's the best I've seen in my 33 years. That remains. As for Oliver being replaceable... what world are you living in?

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17 hours ago, Rob Mac...... said:

Yes MurDoc, I understand. That's just like,

My problem isn't necessarily falling out of the 4th floor window, it's the sudden stop when I hit the ground. 

The Journey is fun

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