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48 minutes ago, Mental Demons said:

What a lot of the blind faith fans on here don't seem to realize that, as suggested by Sydee, successful clubs  need to be well organised business wise. Loyalty has little value and can be a trap if not managed well (Viney, Treloar etc). That is why you see many clubs trading proven players with value. Paying the ones you really want to keep is the trick.

 

Ah sorry MD I don't support trading LJ - please don't suggest I am in any way a fan of that strategy thank you 

 
21 minutes ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

10 bucks says he goes to Geelong....

Nah. Dees In 2022.

24 minutes ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

10 bucks says he goes to Geelong....

Too young

 
1 hour ago, Mental Demons said:

It is not a matter of what he wants or why would we sign him. The answer is simple. If he walked unsigned we would get nothing for him. I just had a look at the contracts and cap, It will be hard to keep Petracca and Oliver and pay them what they are worth, unless we free up some room in the cap. We don't have many players with much value to others. Jackson is one and I suspect he will head west. Brayshaw has some value and we can't afford (or properly use) him and Viney. Either way we will be moving players on at years' end to afford the future we want.

I disagree wholeheartedly. I have total faith that if Oliver and Petracca commit to us it will not be at the expense of LJ.

On 3/21/2021 at 8:35 PM, Sir Why You Little said:

Sorry mate. That is just wrong

17 other Clubs would love the services of Clarry

You say others can do his work then say oh about 95%.

So untrue about 75% is all a player can do of Clarries footy that's why he is elite.!

Deserves with Trac the highest $ to stay. 


If T Mac keeps playing the way he has he will be valuable by the end of the season and will be expendable with all the other options we have. If he was traded to say the Pies that would release the money we need for a Kelly who would take the wing that Gus is on. Gus could potentially move on to play with his brother. One or both could be the solution to getting Kelly but he'd want to be playing better than last season and he'd have to be prepared to take a salary cut at least back to what Oliver and Trac will be getting. 

Can someone tell me the last marquee big name trade that occurred that did not involve free agency?

Dylan Shiel and O’Meara and to a lesser extent Jake Lever spring to mind but not many others.

My point is that it is rare for a gun player such as Oliver to be traded before he reaches free agency status.

Assuming Oliver is happy at the club, I’d say (and hope) he’ll do a Trac and re-sign for 2 years taking him to free agency. Then he’ll sign his massive contract.

13 minutes ago, 58er said:

You say others can do his work then say oh about 95%.

So untrue about 75% is all a player can do of Clarries footy that's why he is elite.!

Deserves with Trac the highest $ to stay. 

I haven’t said any of that

i think you may be talking to the wrong person

Oliver is the engine room. Without him we go nowhere

 
13 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Can someone tell me the last marquee big name trade that occurred that did not involve free agency?

Dylan Shiel and O’Meara and to a lesser extent Jake Lever spring to mind but not many others.

My point is that it is rare for a gun player such as Oliver to be traded before he reaches free agency status.

Assuming Oliver is happy at the club, I’d say (and hope) he’ll do a Trac and re-sign for 2 years taking him to free agency. Then he’ll sign his massive contract.

Tim Kelly?


3 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Oliver, Tracc and LJ are keepers 

The rest are on the table

Righto. So you're OK with trading Pickett, May, Lever, Gawn, Viney, Langdon, Salem, Rivers?

10 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

Oliver’s not going anywhere 

Assume he has signed then ?

 

On 3/22/2021 at 4:21 PM, Lucifer's Hero said:

Of course he will. 

Since FA was introduced very few top players have signed beyond their FA (8th) year.  And then only for mega deals.

He will get paid handsomely for the next two years.  Then he can go to the club of choice and get a big payday, if that is what he wants. 

Unless a player is really unhappy all managers will advise them to contract until their 8th year.

All the more reason why we need to be in the top four from now on. It is the best way to retain the our best players and attract top talent. Once Brown and Weid return, l really think we have the makings of a premiership team. Is the coach up for it?


33 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Righto. So you're OK with trading Pickett, May, Lever, Gawn, Viney, Langdon, Salem, Rivers?

No, but they are milimetres below Oliver, Tracc and LJ (i will add S May to the untouchables)

i would hate to have a Collingwood situation happen before we have even won anything 

46 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

Oliver’s not going anywhere 

He was dam close to leaving last Summer. 
 

33 minutes ago, longsuffering said:

What is Nathan Jones contract value and if/when he retires at the end of the season would that release some room.

been on one year deals for some time now - not sure exactly how long @Lucifer's Heroany idea?

1 hour ago, Turner said:

been on one year deals for some time now - not sure exactly how long @Lucifer's Heroany idea?

2021 is Jones' second 1 year contract.

A lot of players at both ends of their careers play for minimum wages plus match payments.  Not saying that applies to Jones.  But we shouldn't be looking at older players nor younger players/rookies to free up much sal cap, if any at all; unless we want a list of approx 36-37 players instead of 42.

 

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4 hours ago, Sydee said:

Ah sorry MD I don't support trading LJ - please don't suggest I am in any way a fan of that strategy thank you 

At no time did I say you did support trading LJ. At no time did I say I wanted to trade anybody - it's not my job. I hope those at the club that locked Viney into such a long contract do a better job keeping Trac and Oliver. They will walk if they are not better looked after than Viney because others will make big offers for them. I have had 60 years of poor management since my Dad played for the dees in the fifties. You suggested club management was important. I don't really care who is traded. I was having a reality check. If we want keep Trac an Oliver and pay them what they are worth, others will be traded. I am open to any suggestions to who they might go and who would want them at what price. The ignore option on here is great. It is the ultimate insult to say someone is not worth listening to an opinion from. There is a few fans on here must have such sad lives to chase negative attention with multiple accounts.

18 minutes ago, Mental Demons said:

At no time did I say you did support trading LJ. At no time did I say I wanted to trade anybody - it's not my job. I hope those at the club that locked Viney into such a long contract do a better job keeping Trac and Oliver. They will walk if they are not better looked after than Viney because others will make big offers for them. I have had 60 years of poor management since my Dad played for the dees in the fifties. You suggested club management was important. I don't really care who is traded. I was having a reality check. If we want keep Trac an Oliver and pay them what they are worth, others will be traded. I am open to any suggestions to who they might go and who would want them at what price. The ignore option on here is great. It is the ultimate insult to say someone is not worth listening to an opinion from. There is a few fans on here must have such sad lives to chase negative attention with multiple accounts.

Settle down MD I wasn't having a dig at you simply clarifying that I do not support any suggestion we trade LJ

The is a long list of players who are quite well paid (I suspect) that would be higher on my list to consider trading to manage the list

I'd rather note list them because that is not my role it belongs to our list managers - they know far better than me 

Not sure how you interpreted my comments as some sort of insult as that was certainly not intended 

25 minutes ago, Mental Demons said:

At no time did I say you did support trading LJ. At no time did I say I wanted to trade anybody - it's not my job. I hope those at the club that locked Viney into such a long contract do a better job keeping Trac and Oliver. They will walk if they are not better looked after than Viney because others will make big offers for them. I have had 60 years of poor management since my Dad played for the dees in the fifties. You suggested club management was important. I don't really care who is traded. I was having a reality check. If we want keep Trac an Oliver and pay them what they are worth, others will be traded. I am open to any suggestions to who they might go and who would want them at what price. The ignore option on here is great. It is the ultimate insult to say someone is not worth listening to an opinion from. There is a few fans on here must have such sad lives to chase negative attention with multiple accounts.

MD you seem to not be a LJ fan to quote you from 21 March

"The only reason to play Jackson at the moment is to increase his trade value. Jackson is superfluous to need and it was a mistake to draft him. He will never be a first ruck and if he can't make this team as a forward he will be playing at Casey most of the year. We have 2 guys running around Casey that would do Jackson's job better. Majac has been doing well and Andrew Courtney is a better ruck and a better forward. The best hope is that some team sees value in Jackson and take him off our hands."

That's fine you are entitled to your opinion. Any you may be right LJ may turn out to be a bust - personally I don't hold that view we can respectfully agree to disagree on that  

 

Sounds like Luke Jackson must have pinched MD's girlfriend or run over his dog (or the other way around).

9 minutes ago, Sydee said:

That's fine you are entitled to your opinion. Any you may be right LJ may turn out to be a bust - personally I don't hold that view we can respectfully agree to disagree on that

No insult, I am engaging you. You seem to have an idea that winning on the field does not happen unless the off-field is excellent, I agree. I actually think Jackson will be pretty good in 2-3 years. Max took years of Casey before he was the best in the league. No other ruck on our list will get the gig while Max is around. They are there for back-up. If they can't kick goals they won't keep forwards out of the team.

The best career move a ruck on our list can do is go to another team. Footy is a business, the Dees have done some things very well. They have also done things badly. There is an issue ahead that if you want to have the best players in the league, you have to pay them what they are worth.  Trac and Oliver are possibly in the top ten in the league - Viney and Brayshaw might scrape into the top 100. Jackson may be worth rolling the dice on to be a top ten player, I doubt there is the budget or the years that might take to happen here.

If the only way to keep Trac and Oliver was to trade others out there s not many that are worth enough to make enough difference. I think it will be bye to L.J. and probably Brayshaw, maybe others too. I think we will be open to offers if we want the best. The cheap talent we have is very good value as a supporting cast. It is something the club have done OK with.


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