Jump to content

Medical Sub

Demonland
Demonland
in Melbourne Demons

Featured Replies

I wonder if anyone pulling a 4 week hamstring will hit their head on the way down and be out with concussion?

  • Quote
    • Like 2
    • Thanks 1
    • Haha 1
     
      On 15/03/2021 at 04:06, Travy14 said:

    Don't disagree, just saying having a sub isn't a disadvantage due to them sitting on the bench. If it is coaches won't put them on field

    But we have already had Subs, and it was a situation the Players hated. The AFL got rid of it...

  • Quote

    As someone posted earlier - what if there's more than one? How many subs can you have? 

  • Quote
    • Like 1
     
      On 15/03/2021 at 04:12, Pollyanna said:

    I wonder if anyone pulling a 4 week hamstring will hit their head on the way down and be out with concussion?

    or any player the week before a bye (assuming 12 days to next match of the team).

  • Quote
    • Like 1
      On 15/03/2021 at 04:16, Sir Why You Little said:

    But we have already had Subs, and it was a situation the Players hated. The AFL got rid of it...

    Very different circumstances.  Recon the players might hate less rotations when they lose someone too.

     

  • Quote

    It might look rushed, but let's not forget that the long term ramifications of concussion and potential lawsuits against the AFL, they need to be more proactive on the issue. Changing the return to play protocol for concussion was a positive step tho.

    "How it different to broken arm/leg/other injury" - you go a player down either way - no denying that. It's an interesting question, but also need to remember that concussion on the whole is a different beast to a soft tissue/bone injury in terms of effect both short and long term. 

    Ultimately it comes down to a question on whether a team should be disadvantaged by prioritizing player's welfare and having a cautious approach. Agree with @Pollyanna that having a replacement available during the testing makes some sense - a team isn't disadvantaged for being cautious.

    But the next question pops up - if that player is ruled out from concussion, should the replacement be taken out of the game and it be treated the same as any other injury? This way it's cautious approach meets tough luck, just means the poor sub is jerked around a bit. You'd need to put some other rules in place to safeguard it being manipulated against and it opens up a lot more questions.

    I don't know the answer, I am not against a concussion-sub either and can see both sides of the argument but does feel like they're trying to sneak it in just before Round 1, more discourse could help iron it out. 

     

     

  • Quote
      On 15/03/2021 at 04:18, GM11 said:

    As someone posted earlier - what if there's more than one? How many subs can you have? 

    Hopefully someone has softened the turf at Optus Stadium!

  • Quote
      On 15/03/2021 at 04:50, Travy14 said:

    Very different circumstances.  Recon the players might hate less rotations when they lose someone too.

     

    No it isn’t. Players will sit there for the whole game if there are no concussions. 
     

    and how many players will sit on the bench for 95% of the game. Get subbed on and injure themselves because they were stagnant sitting for too long. 
    it will happen 

    the Game had 2 Reserve Players for 100 years  and now has 4. 
    We have already had Subs and it was halted 

  • Quote
    •  
      On 15/03/2021 at 06:42, Sir Why You Little said:

    No it isn’t. Players will sit there for the whole game if there are no concussions. 
     

    and how many players will sit on the bench for 95% of the game. Get subbed on and injure themselves because they were stagnant sitting for too long. 
    it will happen 

    the Game had 2 Reserve Players for 100 years  and now has 4. 
    We have already had Subs and it was halted 

    How many subs were injured when it was in?

    I would suggest the sub would be on the bike and doing drills at the breaks to be physically ready if needed.

    I dont agree with it coming in, but can't see how any side is disadvantaged by it.

  • Quote
    • Like 1
      On 13/03/2021 at 03:38, Diamond_Jim said:

    agree but every time there's an issue we add another player. We only got to 22 because Sheedy complained about having one less on the bench.

    Now we effectively have 23 at a time when the salary caps are strained to their max

    You could nominate the player to be removed before the game to avoid argument.

    and what happens if a team mate knocks out of his own team mates? 

  • Quote

      On 15/03/2021 at 08:38, Travy14 said:

    How many subs were injured when it was in?

    I would suggest the sub would be on the bike and doing drills at the breaks to be physically ready if needed.

    I dont agree with it coming in, but can't see how any side is disadvantaged by it.

    I am talking about individual players. Soft tissue injuries will happen to these subs and then the Players Union will cherp up

    why i say this is because we have already had the subs before, it’s not as if we are trying this for the first time. 
    it failed once already. 
     

    Has the AFL made a decision today? I haven’t seen anything, it’s been a fairly big news day!!!

  • Quote
    • Like 1
    • Thanks 1
      On 15/03/2021 at 05:54, roy11 said:

    "How it different to broken arm/leg/other injury" - you go a player down either way - no denying that. It's an interesting question, but also need to remember that concussion on the whole is a different beast to a soft tissue/bone injury in terms of effect both short and long term. 

    Ultimately it comes down to a question on whether a team should be disadvantaged by prioritizing player's welfare and having a cautious approach. Agree with @Pollyanna that having a replacement available during the testing makes some sense - a team isn't disadvantaged for being cautious.

    But the next question pops up - if that player is ruled out from concussion, should the replacement be taken out of the game and it be treated the same as any other injury? This way it's cautious approach meets tough luck, just means the poor sub is jerked around a bit. You'd need to put some other rules in place to safeguard it being manipulated against and it opens up a lot more questions.

     

    That's the problem with this proposal.  It isn't any different to any other injury.  And we don't have subs while potential knee testing is done by the doctors. 

    Just watch the player with a knee, leg, hamstring suddenly doing a concussion test as well, so that the sub can be used.

  • Quote
    • Like 1
      On 13/03/2021 at 13:05, rjay said:

    The concussion sub is the AFL sucking up to coaches for taking away some of their precious rotations.

    I don't like it at all but it's par for the course in a Gill administration.

    Gil is a squib, terrible leader. Too busy trying to please everyone, no vision or direction.

  • Quote
    • Like 1
    • Love 1
      On 15/03/2021 at 09:26, george_on_the_outer said:

    That's the problem with this proposal.  It isn't any different to any other injury.  And we don't have subs while potential knee testing is done by the doctors. 

    Just watch the player with a knee, leg, hamstring suddenly doing a concussion test as well, so that the sub can be used.

    It has been suggested in the media that the re-introduced sub might be for all injuries where a player may miss the next week. Makes sense to me. Otherwise a crafty coach will say that a player who tweaked his hamstring also had a "touch of concussion" allowing the sub to be activated. That would have the impact of delegitimising concerns about concussion which is not what the AFL or the players want.  

  • Quote
      On 14/03/2021 at 02:00, Sir Why You Little said:

    Next we will have a Hammy Sub...

    what about a sub sub Sir?

  • Quote
    • Like 1

      On 15/03/2021 at 22:44, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

    It has been suggested in the media that the re-introduced sub might be for all injuries where a player may miss the next week. Makes sense to me. Otherwise a crafty coach will say that a player who tweaked his hamstring also had a "touch of concussion" allowing the sub to be activated. That would have the impact of delegitimising concerns about concussion which is not what the AFL or the players want.  

    I'll live with that if it's a compulsory week off for the subbed player. The opportuntiy to game it otherwise is obvious

  • Quote
    • Like 2
    • Love 1
      On 16/03/2021 at 00:16, Diamond_Jim said:

    I'll live with that if it's a compulsory week off for the subbed player. The opportuntiy to game it otherwise is obvious

    yep. I agree with you here. 

  • Quote

    Media reports suggest than the sub may be used for any type of injury that rules a player out of the rest of the match.  AFL expected to make an announcement about this today.

  • Quote
      On 16/03/2021 at 01:07, demonstone said:

    Media reports suggest than the sub may be used for any type of injury that rules a player out of the rest of the match.  AFL expected to make an announcement about this today.

    Rest of the match? .   I can gaurantee an injury about half way through Q4 every week.  So silly it can't be true.

  • Quote
    • Like 1
    • Angry 1

    I believe it would be subject to a doctor's report and that the 12-day break would also apply as outlined in the concussion sub rules.  It's not as if the AFL would do anything silly is it?  :D

  • Quote

    It’s a worry when I agree with Robbo

    i feel very uneasy

  • Quote
    • Like 1
    • Haha 1

    The real worry about that Robbo clip was Gil's pathetic arm-waving response.  The true response should be "we don't trust clubs to take off concussed players properly, so we've introduced this as an incentive for them to do so".

  • Quote
    • Like 2
     
      On 16/03/2021 at 01:07, demonstone said:

    Media reports suggest than the sub may be used for any type of injury that rules a player out of the rest of the match.  AFL expected to make an announcement about this today.

     

      On 16/03/2021 at 01:18, sue said:

    Rest of the match? .   I can gaurantee an injury about half way through Q4 every week.  So silly it can't be true.

    Oh yes it can. Remember it is up to Gil and SHocking..

  • Quote

    I know it's just a clip and therefore perhaps out of context, but was Robbo more concerned that a rule is changing a few days before the season begins than he is for the mental health of players? 

    Reasonably poor response from McLaughlin, too, claiming it's not a rule change because it's not actually a change to the way the game is being played. 

  • Quote

    • Join the conversation

    You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

    Guest
    Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
    Reply to this topic...
    Go to topic listing

    Featured Content

    • GAMEDAY: Richmond

      It's Game Day and the Demons return to the MCG to face the Tigers in their annual Blockbuster on ANZAC Eve for the 10th time. The Dees will be desperate to reignite their stuttering 2025 campaign and claim just their second win of the season. Can the Demons dig deep and find that ANZAC Spirit to snatch back to back wins?

        • Love
        • Thanks
      • 47 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • PREVIEW: Richmond

      A few years ago, the Melbourne Football Club produced a documentary about the decade in which it rose from its dystopic purgatory of regular thrashings to the euphoria of a premiership victory. That entire period could have been compressed in a fast motion version of the 2025 season to date as the Demons went from embarrassing basket case to glorious winner in an unexpected victory over the Dockers last Saturday. They transformed in a single week from a team that put in a pedestrian effort of predictably kicking the ball long down the line into attack that made a very ordinary Bombers outfit look like worldbeaters into a slick, fast moving side with urgency and a willingness to handball and create play with shorter kicks and by changing angles to generate an element of chaos that yielded six goals in each of the opening quarters against Freo. 

        • Thanks
        • Like
      • 0 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • NON-MFC: Round 07

      Round 7 gets underway in iconic fashion with the traditional ANZAC Day blockbuster. The high-flying Magpies will be looking to solidify their spot atop the ladder, while the Bombers are desperate for a win to stay in touch with the top eight. Later that evening, Fremantle will be out to redeem themselves after a disappointing loss to the Demons, facing a hungry Adelaide side with eyes firmly set on breaking into the top four. Saturday serves up a triple-header of footy action. The Lions will be looking to consolidate their Top 2 spot as they head to Marvel Stadium to clash with the Saints. Over in Adelaide, Port Adelaide will be strong favourites at home against a struggling North Melbourne. The day wraps up with a fiery encounter in Canberra, where the Giants and Bulldogs renew their bitter rivalry. Sunday’s schedule kicks off with the Suns aiming to bounce back from their shock defeat to Richmond, taking on the out of form Swans.Then the Blues will be out to claim a major scalp when they battle the Cats at the MCG. The round finishes with a less-than-thrilling affair between Hawthorn and West Coast at Marvel. Who are you tipping and what are the best results for the Demons?

      • 3 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • REPORT: Fremantle

      For this year’s Easter Saturday game at the MCG, Simon Goodwin and his Demons wound the clock back a few years to wipe out the horrible memories of last season’s twin thrashings at the hands of the Dockers. And it was about time! Melbourne’s indomitable skipper Max Gawn put in a mammoth performance in shutting out his immediate opponent Sean Darcy in the ruck and around the ground and was a colossus at the end when the game was there to be won or lost. It was won by 16.11.107 to 14.13.97. There was the battery-charged Easter Bunny in Kysaiah Pickett running anyone wearing purple ragged, whether at midfield stoppages or around the big sticks. He finish with a five goal haul.

        • Love
        • Thanks
      • 0 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • CASEY: UWS Giants

      The Casey Demons took on an undefeated UWS Giants outfit at their own home ground on a beautiful autumn day but found themselves completely out of their depth going down by 53 points against a well-drilled and fair superior combination. Despite having 15 AFL listed players at their disposal - far more than in their earlier matches this season - the Demons were never really in the game and suffered their second defeat in a row after their bright start to the season when they drew with the Kangaroos, beat the Suns and matched the Cats for most of the day on their own dung heap at Corio Bay. The Giants were a different proposition altogether. They had a very slight wind advantage in the opening quarter but were too quick off the mark for the Demons, tearing the game apart by the half way mark of the term when they kicked the first five goals with clean and direct football.

        • Thanks
      • 0 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • PREGAME: Richmond

      The Dees are back at the MCG on Thursday for the annual blockbuster ANZAC Eve game against the Tigers. Can the Demons win back to back games for the first time since Rounds 17 & 18 last season? Who comes in and who goes out?

        • Thanks
      • 262 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland
    View All