Jump to content

Medical Sub


Demonland

Recommended Posts

9 minutes ago, Travy14 said:

Don't disagree, just saying having a sub isn't a disadvantage due to them sitting on the bench. If it is coaches won't put them on field

But we have already had Subs, and it was a situation the Players hated. The AFL got rid of it...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

14 minutes ago, Pollyanna said:

I wonder if anyone pulling a 4 week hamstring will hit their head on the way down and be out with concussion?

or any player the week before a bye (assuming 12 days to next match of the team).

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

33 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

But we have already had Subs, and it was a situation the Players hated. The AFL got rid of it...

Very different circumstances.  Recon the players might hate less rotations when they lose someone too.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

It might look rushed, but let's not forget that the long term ramifications of concussion and potential lawsuits against the AFL, they need to be more proactive on the issue. Changing the return to play protocol for concussion was a positive step tho.

"How it different to broken arm/leg/other injury" - you go a player down either way - no denying that. It's an interesting question, but also need to remember that concussion on the whole is a different beast to a soft tissue/bone injury in terms of effect both short and long term. 

Ultimately it comes down to a question on whether a team should be disadvantaged by prioritizing player's welfare and having a cautious approach. Agree with @Pollyanna that having a replacement available during the testing makes some sense - a team isn't disadvantaged for being cautious.

But the next question pops up - if that player is ruled out from concussion, should the replacement be taken out of the game and it be treated the same as any other injury? This way it's cautious approach meets tough luck, just means the poor sub is jerked around a bit. You'd need to put some other rules in place to safeguard it being manipulated against and it opens up a lot more questions.

I don't know the answer, I am not against a concussion-sub either and can see both sides of the argument but does feel like they're trying to sneak it in just before Round 1, more discourse could help iron it out. 

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, GM11 said:

As someone posted earlier - what if there's more than one? How many subs can you have? 

Hopefully someone has softened the turf at Optus Stadium!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Travy14 said:

Very different circumstances.  Recon the players might hate less rotations when they lose someone too.

 

No it isn’t. Players will sit there for the whole game if there are no concussions. 
 

and how many players will sit on the bench for 95% of the game. Get subbed on and injure themselves because they were stagnant sitting for too long. 
it will happen 

the Game had 2 Reserve Players for 100 years  and now has 4. 
We have already had Subs and it was halted 

Link to comment
Share on other sites


1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

No it isn’t. Players will sit there for the whole game if there are no concussions. 
 

and how many players will sit on the bench for 95% of the game. Get subbed on and injure themselves because they were stagnant sitting for too long. 
it will happen 

the Game had 2 Reserve Players for 100 years  and now has 4. 
We have already had Subs and it was halted 

How many subs were injured when it was in?

I would suggest the sub would be on the bike and doing drills at the breaks to be physically ready if needed.

I dont agree with it coming in, but can't see how any side is disadvantaged by it.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 3/13/2021 at 2:38 PM, Diamond_Jim said:

agree but every time there's an issue we add another player. We only got to 22 because Sheedy complained about having one less on the bench.

Now we effectively have 23 at a time when the salary caps are strained to their max

You could nominate the player to be removed before the game to avoid argument.

and what happens if a team mate knocks out of his own team mates? 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

31 minutes ago, Travy14 said:

How many subs were injured when it was in?

I would suggest the sub would be on the bike and doing drills at the breaks to be physically ready if needed.

I dont agree with it coming in, but can't see how any side is disadvantaged by it.

I am talking about individual players. Soft tissue injuries will happen to these subs and then the Players Union will cherp up

why i say this is because we have already had the subs before, it’s not as if we are trying this for the first time. 
it failed once already. 
 

Has the AFL made a decision today? I haven’t seen anything, it’s been a fairly big news day!!!

  • Like 1
  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, roy11 said:

"How it different to broken arm/leg/other injury" - you go a player down either way - no denying that. It's an interesting question, but also need to remember that concussion on the whole is a different beast to a soft tissue/bone injury in terms of effect both short and long term. 

Ultimately it comes down to a question on whether a team should be disadvantaged by prioritizing player's welfare and having a cautious approach. Agree with @Pollyanna that having a replacement available during the testing makes some sense - a team isn't disadvantaged for being cautious.

But the next question pops up - if that player is ruled out from concussion, should the replacement be taken out of the game and it be treated the same as any other injury? This way it's cautious approach meets tough luck, just means the poor sub is jerked around a bit. You'd need to put some other rules in place to safeguard it being manipulated against and it opens up a lot more questions.

 

That's the problem with this proposal.  It isn't any different to any other injury.  And we don't have subs while potential knee testing is done by the doctors. 

Just watch the player with a knee, leg, hamstring suddenly doing a concussion test as well, so that the sub can be used.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 3/14/2021 at 12:05 AM, rjay said:

The concussion sub is the AFL sucking up to coaches for taking away some of their precious rotations.

I don't like it at all but it's par for the course in a Gill administration.

Gil is a squib, terrible leader. Too busy trying to please everyone, no vision or direction.

  • Like 1
  • Love 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

13 hours ago, george_on_the_outer said:

That's the problem with this proposal.  It isn't any different to any other injury.  And we don't have subs while potential knee testing is done by the doctors. 

Just watch the player with a knee, leg, hamstring suddenly doing a concussion test as well, so that the sub can be used.

It has been suggested in the media that the re-introduced sub might be for all injuries where a player may miss the next week. Makes sense to me. Otherwise a crafty coach will say that a player who tweaked his hamstring also had a "touch of concussion" allowing the sub to be activated. That would have the impact of delegitimising concerns about concussion which is not what the AFL or the players want.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

It has been suggested in the media that the re-introduced sub might be for all injuries where a player may miss the next week. Makes sense to me. Otherwise a crafty coach will say that a player who tweaked his hamstring also had a "touch of concussion" allowing the sub to be activated. That would have the impact of delegitimising concerns about concussion which is not what the AFL or the players want.  

I'll live with that if it's a compulsory week off for the subbed player. The opportuntiy to game it otherwise is obvious

  • Like 2
  • Love 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites


7 minutes ago, demonstone said:

Media reports suggest than the sub may be used for any type of injury that rules a player out of the rest of the match.  AFL expected to make an announcement about this today.

Rest of the match? .   I can gaurantee an injury about half way through Q4 every week.  So silly it can't be true.

  • Like 1
  • Angry 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

The real worry about that Robbo clip was Gil's pathetic arm-waving response.  The true response should be "we don't trust clubs to take off concussed players properly, so we've introduced this as an incentive for them to do so".

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, demonstone said:

Media reports suggest than the sub may be used for any type of injury that rules a player out of the rest of the match.  AFL expected to make an announcement about this today.

 

4 hours ago, sue said:

Rest of the match? .   I can gaurantee an injury about half way through Q4 every week.  So silly it can't be true.

Oh yes it can. Remember it is up to Gil and SHocking..

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I know it's just a clip and therefore perhaps out of context, but was Robbo more concerned that a rule is changing a few days before the season begins than he is for the mental health of players? 

Reasonably poor response from McLaughlin, too, claiming it's not a rule change because it's not actually a change to the way the game is being played. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    2024 Player Reviews: #18 Jake Melksham

    After sustaining a torn ACL in the final match of the 2023 season Jake added a bit to the attack late in the 2024 season upon his return. He has re-signed on to the Demons for 1 more season in 2025. Date of Birth: 12 August 1991 Height: 186cm Games MFC 2024: 8 Career Total: 229 Goals MFC 2024: 8 Career Total: 188

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 2

    2024 Player Reviews: #3 Christian Salem

    The luckless Salem suffered a hamstring injury against the Lions early in the season and, after missing a number of games, he was never at his best. He was also inconvenienced by minor niggles later in the season. This was a blow for the club that sorely needed him to fill gaps in the midfield at times as well as to do his best work in defence. Date of Birth: 15 July 1995 Height: 184cm Games MFC 2024: 17 Career Total: 176 Goals MFC 2024: 1 Career Total: 26 Brownlow Meda

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 2

    2024 Player Reviews: #39 Koltyn Tholstrop

    The first round draft pick at #13 from twelve months ago the strongly built medium forward has had an impressive introduction to AFL football and is expected to spend more midfield moments as his career progresses. Date of Birth: 25 July 2005 Height: 186cm Games MFC 2024: 10 Career Total: 10 Goals MFC 2024: 5 Career Total: 5 Games CDFC 2024: 7 Goals CDFC 2024: 4

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 6

    2024 Player Reviews: #42 Daniel Turner

    The move of “Disco” to a key forward post looks like bearing fruit. Turner has good hands, moves well and appears to be learning the forward craft well. Will be an interesting watch in 2025. Date of Birth: January 28, 2002 Height: 195cm Games MFC 2024: 15 Career Total: 18 Goals MFC 2024: 17 Career Total: 17 Games CDFC 2024: 1 Goals CDFC 2024:  1

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 15

    2024 Player Reviews: #8 Jake Lever

    The Demon’s key defender and backline leader had his share of injuries and niggles throughout the season which prevented him from performing at his peak.  Date of Birth: 5 March 1996 Height: 195cm Games MFC 2024: 18 Career Total: 178 Goals MFC 2024: 1 Career Total: 5

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 1

    2024 Player Reviews: #13 Clayton Oliver

    Lack of preparation after a problematic preseason prevented Oliver from reaching the high standards set before last year’s hamstring woes. He carried injury right through the back half of the season and was controversially involved in a potential move during the trade period that was ultimately shut down by the club. Date of Birth:  22 July 1997 Height:  189cm Games MFC 2024:  21 Career Total: 183 Goals MFC 2024: 3 Career Total: 54 Brownlow Medal Votes: 5

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 12

    BLOODY BLUES by Meggs

    The conclusion to Narrm’s home and away season was the inevitable let down by the bloody Blues  who meekly capitulated to the Bombers.   The 2024 season fixture handicapped the Demons chances from the get-go with Port Adelaide, Brisbane and Essendon advantaged with enough gimme games to ensure a tough road to the finals, especially after a slew of early season injuries to star players cost wins and percentage.     As we strode confidently through the gates of Prin

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 3

    2024 Player Reviews: #5 Christian Petracca

    Melbourne’s most important player who dominated the first half of the season until his untimely injury in the Kings Birthday clash put an end to his season. At the time, he was on his way to many personal honours and the club in strong finals contention. When the season did end for Melbourne and Petracca was slowly recovering, he was engulfed in controversy about a possible move of clubs amid claims about his treatment by the club in the immediate aftermath of his injury. Date of Birth: 4 J

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 21

    2024 Player Reviews: #2 Jacob van Rooyen

    Strong marking youngster who plays forward and relief ruck, continued to make significant strides forward in his career path. The Demons have high hopes for van Rooyen as he stakes his claim to become an elite attacking forward. Date of Birth: 16 April 2003 Height: 193cm Games MFC 2024: 21 Career Total: 41 Goals MFC 2024: 30 Career Total: 58 Brownlow Medal Votes: 1

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 36
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

×
×
  • Create New...