3 minutes ago, hemingway said:

Spot on. 

Listening to the Magpie mouthpieces and then Lumumba speaking on 774 this morning there is a big fat compo claim in the wind. 

Their CEO (i don't even know who it is) and board must be in the firing line atm. I mean they commissioned the report.  It's hard not to think this was strategic in terms of responding to Lumumba's accusations and getting ahead of potential compensation claims. 

Their own report is then incredibly scathing and includes the finding that club’s racism resulted in 'profound and enduring harm' to many individuals, families, & communities. Which aint going to help them in any compensation case. 

They sit on the report. For two months. In all likelihood it is leaked because of this decision. So they lose complete control of the narrative.

They then green light Eddie to freestyle and respond at length to the leaked report, and try to spin it as a proud day for the club. I mean what were they thinking agreeing to let Eddie front the media (i understand his power - but that is part of the problem).

And once they green light Eddie to be the club's spokesperson surely to goodness the CEO is also at that presser. Or even better they release a carefully worded written response and schedule a presser for say Friday to create some space and control.      

What a complete shambles from a governance perspective.

29 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Eddie will be gone by the end of the month if not earlier.

Sponsors will have been on the phone demanding action and while not specifically asking for Eddie to go that will be the implied price.

Eddie will be publicly painted as a martyr in that he will say that the issue had become about him and that it should be about the way in which Collingwood has openly dealt with the issue.

I haven't seen one sponsor come out at say this is not acceptable.

6 minutes ago, binman said:

Their CEO (i don't even know who it is) and board must be in the firing line atm. I mean they commissioned the report.  It's hard not to think this was strategic in terms of responding to Lumumba's accusations and getting ahead of potential compensation claims. 

Their own report is then incredibly scathing and includes the finding that club’s racism resulted in 'profound and enduring harm' to many individuals, families, & communities. Which aint going to help them in any compensation case. 

They sit on the report. For two months. In all likelihood it is leaked because of this decision. So they lose complete control of the narrative.

They then green light Eddie to freestyle and respond at length to the leaked report, and try to spin it as a proud day for the club. I mean what were they thinking agreeing to let Eddie front the media (i understand his power - but that is part of the problem).

And once they green light Eddie to be the club's spokesperson surely to goodness the CEO is also at that presser. Or even better they release a carefully worded written response and schedule a presser for say Friday to create some space and control.      

What a complete shambles from a governance perspective.

I am finding it very hard to disagree with the above binman, it will go down as a worst way case study for future generations. 

2 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

I haven't seen one sponsor come out at say this is not acceptable.

It is barely 24 hours ago. Sometimes the results are not immediately apparent. You can bet some of them have been in contact with the Pies suggesting Eddy step aside as a minimum. 

2 minutes ago, old dee said:

It is barely 24 hours ago. Sometimes the results are not immediately apparent. You can bet some of them have been in contact with the Pies suggesting Eddy step aside as a minimum. 

Its been months and years in the making OD.... 

1 minute ago, Cards13 said:

Its been months and years in the making OD.... 

yes but only spilled over to the general public very recently, sponsor react when they have little choice. As long as it is not effecting them direct they look the other way.

3 minutes ago, old dee said:

yes but only spilled over to the general public very recently, sponsor react when they have little choice. As long as it is not effecting them direct they look the other way.

Nike certainly would not be happy. Possibly Emirates too.

51 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

wow, very big generalisation

and subjective.

hope you are not stereotyping there, binman

Which is why I said at the risk of generalising

Subjective? Yes - which is why i prefaced my comment with 'i think'

Stereotyping? Maybe.

Is a positive stereotype (assuming you think compromise and preparedness to share power are postive) better than a negative one?

8 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

Nike certainly would not be happy. Possibly Emirates too.

timelines as follows:

early dec: initial findings of the report given to the board, including a nike board member
mid dec: eddie announces he'll leave at the end of 2021
late dec: full report given to the cfc board
early jan: nike confirms new apparel deal with cfc
late jan: full report leaks to the public
early feb: yesterday's gloriously awful press conference

now the query will be what comes next...

Well it did not take long for the old boys club to swing into action with Gil talking about it being a courageous decision by Eddy and the pies to initiate  the review. Gil defending was as sure as the sun rises tomorrow.

Edited February 2, 20214 yr by old dee

41 minutes ago, old dee said:

I used to think that a lot of the complaining about racism was compounded by people being too thin skinned.

I now understand that I will never completely understand the feelings of a person who experiences racism because I can never walk in their shoes. Fortunately for me I have come to understand that most people with a skin colour other than white experience the problem on a regular basis.

We have to do better as individuals and as a group.

Well said, OD. In fact, beautifully said.

6 minutes ago, old dee said:

Well it did not take long for the old boys club to swing into action with Gil talking about it being a courageous decision by Eddy and the pies to initiate  the review. Gil defending was as sure as the sun rises tomorrow.

Spin city 'old Dee'... love to see the back of him.

32 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

Nike certainly would not be happy. Possibly Emirates too.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/29/business/economy/nike-coca-cola-xinjiang-forced-labor-bill.html

 

This NIKE? The slave labor NIKE, or is it another one?

Nike and Coca-Cola Lobby Against Xinjiang Forced Labor Bill

Business groups and major companies like Apple have been pressing Congress to alter legislation cracking down on imports of goods made with forced labor from persecuted Muslim minorities in China.

 

 

57 minutes ago, binman said:

Their CEO (i don't even know who it is) and board must be in the firing line atm. I mean they commissioned the report.  It's hard not to think this was strategic in terms of responding to Lumumba's accusations and getting ahead of potential compensation claims. 

Their own report is then incredibly scathing and includes the finding that club’s racism resulted in 'profound and enduring harm' to many individuals, families, & communities. Which aint going to help them in any compensation case. 

They sit on the report. For two months. In all likelihood it is leaked because of this decision. So they lose complete control of the narrative.

They then green light Eddie to freestyle and respond at length to the leaked report, and try to spin it as a proud day for the club. I mean what were they thinking agreeing to let Eddie front the media (i understand his power - but that is part of the problem).

And once they green light Eddie to be the club's spokesperson surely to goodness the CEO is also at that presser. Or even better they release a carefully worded written response and schedule a presser for say Friday to create some space and control.      

What a complete shambles from a governance perspective.

Tremendous summary Binman. 

15 minutes ago, rjay said:

Spin city 'old Dee'... love to see the back of him.

Unless he is replaced by someone from the outside of the OBC nothing will change. 

1 hour ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

timelines as follows:

early dec: initial findings of the report given to the board, including a nike board member
mid dec: eddie announces he'll leave at the end of 2021
late dec: full report given to the cfc board
early jan: nike confirms new apparel deal with cfc
late jan: full report leaks to the public
early feb: yesterday's gloriously awful press conference

now the query will be what comes next...

As someone who managed a sponsorship relationship with an AFL club we would be asking questions about all of this and reviewing our contract from when the report was first noted as going to take place. ie oh I see an independent review is happening into racism at the club... do tell... and when will we know the outcome of it BEFORE the public... 

4 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

As someone who managed a sponsorship relationship with an AFL club we would be asking questions about all of this and reviewing our contract from when the report was first noted as going to take place. ie oh I see an independent review is happening into racism at the club... do tell... and when will we know the outcome of it BEFORE the public... 

exactly my point @Cards13 - i would suspect that eddie's surprise retirement tour announcement was done in the wake of requirements from sponsors in the wake of the initial findings in the report being circulated at a high level

3 hours ago, special robert said:

Report written by professional left wing race baiters for consumption by the super woke left wing media and all the super woke lefties that post here.......and the snowflake virtue signallers at the AFL.

Trump lost man, its time to move on with your life ... 

It's fun watching Collingwood get belted but there must be some ripper skeletons in everyone's closet. Difference is most clubs would probably just flat out apologise instead of trying to spin it like a great triumph.

20 minutes ago, Supermercado said:

It's fun watching Collingwood get belted but there must be some ripper skeletons in everyone's closet. Difference is most clubs would probably just flat out apologise instead of trying to spin it like a great triumph.

Yep, i reckon we ought be careful about casting too many aspersions.  We will have our history i'm sure.

30 minutes ago, Supermercado said:

It's fun watching Collingwood get belted but there must be some ripper skeletons in everyone's closet. Difference is most clubs would probably just flat out apologise instead of trying to spin it like a great triumph.

 

10 minutes ago, binman said:

Yep, i reckon we ought be careful about casting too many aspersions.  We will have our history i'm sure.

St Kilda had there's with Muir.

Different approach to Ed.

They didn't need a review.

They came out and unreservedly apologised.

I reckon that's a pretty good way of doing things.

35 minutes ago, binman said:

Yep, i reckon we ought be careful about casting too many aspersions.  We will have our history i'm sure.

We do have a history!

The most recent I recall is in the Neeld days (any surprise given he was ex Collingwood) when reportedly Davey (and maybe others) approached Misfud at the AFL.  It was all a bit of a mess of the 'he said, I said' variety and Misfud apologised for misunderstanding. 

I doubt PJ did an internal review when appointed or just knew what was required and set about righting the wrongs.  Not sure if that is what triggered the Matty Whelan role being created but it was a good move. 

We also developed a charter to engage with aboriginal communities (can't recall what it is called) and what we stand for in that regard.  Sometimes these can not be worth the paper they are written on but I feel mfc takes our obligations seriously.

And our investment with the MCG community oval in Alice.

Not saying we should pat ourselves on the back but I feel we have come some way but still lots more to do.  Collingwood has no idea and done precious little.

I even had to laugh at their attempts to say they tried to get indigenous players in the draft.  But they were all tied to Academies so those clubs matched the bid.  Surprise, Surprise!  So were they even serious of trying to get indigenous players to the club...

Edited February 2, 20214 yr by Lucifer's Hero

4 hours ago, special robert said:

Report written by professional left wing race baiters for consumption by the super woke left wing media and all the super woke lefties that post here.......and the snowflake virtue signallers at the AFL.

Any chance the report contains evidence? Not saying it does; not saying doesn't; I haven't read it yet. But if the conclusions are validly drawn from credible evidence, they're probably legitimate. Legitimate enough. Regardless of political point of view, certainly of identity, then it should be taken seriously, and death with.

8 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Yes, I was alluding to avoiding compensation claims.

That Murphy said the report didn't mean the people were racist, well I'm not sure how he explains the 'systemic racism' it if isn't by the people.  His comment means there were no perpetrators so no-one can be held to account (or sued).  No specific cases investigated so no names of who the victims of 'systemic racism' were so no-one can take legal action against them.  

Which all means no compensation to be made.

That whole sh..show had all the hallmarks of deny, deny, deny. 

As an aside has anyone seen what any of the 18 recommendations are? 

The definition of systematic racism doesn’t require any one individual to be racist. Collingwood have a point when they say that. The systems in place can simply discriminate against races by inadvertent design or ignorance. 
 

Depending on the authors threshold for what thoughtlessness or ignorance actually is they might be able to label thousands of institutions as systematically racist.

The issue for the Pies is making those kind of distinctions which might usually be correct when they have at least the Lumumba situation unresolved. 

3 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

We do have a history!

The most recent I recall is in the Neeld days (any surprise given he was ex Collingwood) when reportedly Davey (and maybe others) approached Misfud at the AFL.  It was all a bit of a mess of the 'he said, I said' variety and Misfud apologised for misunderstanding. 

I doubt PJ did an internal review when appointed or just knew what was required and set about righting the wrongs.  Not sure if that is what triggered the Matty Whelan role being created but it was a good move. 

We also developed a charter to engage with aboriginal communities (can't recall what it is called) and what we stand for in that regard.  Sometimes these can not be worth the paper they are written on but I feel mfc takes our obligations seriously.

And our investment with the MCG community oval in Alice.

Not saying we should pat ourselves on the back but I feel we have come some way but still lots more to do.  Collingwood has no idea and done precious little.

I even had to laugh at their attempts to say they tried to get indigenous players in the draft.  But they were all tied to Academies so those clubs matched the bid which is no surprise.  So were they even serious of trying to get indigenous to the club...

Can't remember exact details, but PJ has been working on a racism/cultural report for the AFL for a while too.