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On 11/30/2020 at 7:32 PM, Smokey said:

You'd have to think that with our list where its at, in terms of talent and age, we really should be finishing top 4 next year. Ben Brown was the last major piece of the puzzle really. If he gets going from round 1 I think we're a good chance for that. 

I'd just like to see our army of young'uns developed to the hilt, first and foremost. Bring this improving talent to a meaningful game plan and strategies, and we are on our way to the next GF.

Adem, it's basically up to you - but another thing I'd like to see is Jordan Lewis assisting you with this Team (forget Goodwin). 

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    Imo he is the coach who is under the most pressure next season.

    Need to make top 8 and not just scrape in and win a final or 2 at a minimum. 
     

    Personally I think we will waste another season next year and end up with a new coach again. 

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    A pass mark for 2021 for Goodwin is top 8. Realistically he won’t be there in 2022 if we don’t make finals. 
    I do think though we need to win a final and show a competitiveness in finals. 

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    It will be how we play each quarter, each game, and every final. 

    The mental approach to training and the ntensity learned and applied.

    We should also use our full squad to match up opponents, and rest players to rejuvenate while sacrificing players if necessary to win.

    We should win the flag with this list and i will only accept being beaten by sides who just beat us in hard fought games where we are absolutely spent in competing.

     If we continue to have umpiring decisions affecting our game we must make representation to the appropriate body. Players must be protected and allowed to play with confidence iif playing the ball.

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    18 hours ago, DemonOX said:

    Imo he is the coach who is under the most pressure next season.

    Need to make top 8 and not just scrape in and win a final or 2 at a minimum. 
     

    Personally I think we will waste another season next year and end up with a new coach again. 

    I hope that's not the case as how many years of disappointment can a group of supporters put up with like Melbourne's supporters have?

    What an absolute waste of a year 2021 will be if we miss finals once again with the caliber of players we now possess.

     

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    23 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

    I hope that's not the case as how many years of disappointment can a group of supporters put up with like Melbourne's supporters have?

    What an absolute waste of a year 2021 will be if we miss finals once again with the caliber of players we now possess.

     

    Could not agree more BBP. But I have zero confidence he will get the job done. 

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    23 hours ago, picket fence said:

    Ps I reckon Ross Lyon will be our coach in 2022

    If that's the case we will win it in 2022.

    Ross the boss would never have had as much ability at  his disposal at Saints  or Dockers  as this team could be by 2022.

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    Why settle for just a pass mark?  We're going for Dux!

    Nothing less than the Premiership Cup and Flag.

    or

    its back to ....

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    I think this group is good enough to make finals in spite of Goodwin. That being the case making finals is not a pass. Top 4 and a clear demonstration we can mix it with the best teams. No honorable defeats or close calls. We have to beat the likes of Geelong and West Coast this year.

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    On 12/6/2020 at 7:52 PM, Deemania since 56 said:

    I'd just like to see our army of young'uns developed to the hilt, first and foremost. Bring this improving talent to a meaningful game plan and strategies, and we are on our way to the next GF.

    Adem, it's basically up to you - but another thing I'd like to see is Jordan Lewis assisting you with this Team (forget Goodwin). 

    why is it up to Yze?? I don't understand.

    If so what the hell do we need Goodwin for?

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    3 hours ago, Kent said:

    why is it up to Yze?? I don't understand.

    If so what the hell do we need Goodwin for?

    Precisely! 'If so, what the hell do we need Goodwin for?'

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    In light of the Chocco Williams appointment, my pass mark for 2021 has now gone from making the top 4 to a Grand Final appearance.

    I have no faith it will happen with the current coach however he now has zero excuses with the team around him.

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    On 12/8/2020 at 6:11 AM, Kent said:

    why is it up to Yze?? I don't understand.

    If so what the hell do we need Goodwin for?

    A senior Coach nowadays dies very little on hands work.

    It is mostly coordination of the other coaches game plan and selection That occupy yome.

    Try going along to training and see the Senior or Head Coach standing mostly in the middle of the oval observing and overseeing the groups who are directed  by line or strategy bosses.

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    3 minutes ago, 58er said:

    A senior Coach nowadays dies very little on hands work.

    It is mostly coordination of the other coaches game plan and selection That occupy yome.

    Try going along to training and see the Senior or Head Coach standing mostly in the middle of the oval observing and overseeing the groups who are directed  by line or strategy bosses.

    I go to training all the 58 so I know what goes on

    On many levels ie Game Plan and selection Goodwin needs help

    Again if he is struggling in those aspects why do we need him

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    Semis minimum or bust next year.

    Considering the base we came off in 2018 we should be aiming for a flag,  but we are not. 

    There's a breath of fresh air with the recent coaching / staff changes which gives me some hope. 

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    4 hours ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

    In light of the Chocco Williams appointment, my pass mark for 2021 has now gone from making the top 4 to a Grand Final appearance.

    I have no faith it will happen with the current coach however he now has zero excuses with the team around him.

     

    43 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

    We have to Chase a Flag, Hard

    Anything less is not good enough

    FMD - whats with the folk on here that bang on about 'no excuses'.

     

    Is Yze God?

    Is WIlliams the Messiah

    Is Goodwin, Yze and Williams the Holy Trinity.

    Unless I am mistaken, there are 17 other teams who have changed their FD structures, improved their lists (as much as they can) and are all aiming for the same things....chasing, hunting, whatever effing vernacular you want. 

    Top 8 is a pass, Top 4 is more than satisfactory....and then you just hope you don't bow out in straight sets.

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    UPDATE

    In view of yesterdays  announcements the minimum pass mark has been raised to a grand final appearance.

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    On 12/7/2020 at 6:20 PM, Half forward flank said:

    If we fail to win a final in 2021 then it is a fail for Goodwin as well as Pert who oversaw internal reviews. 

    One way or another you will I code Perty as long as we don't win the flag.

    Please dont post for a week if you can't give some positive contribution about the Club.  It's very tiresome.

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    2 hours ago, Engorged Onion said:

     

    FMD - whats with the folk on here that bang on about 'no excuses'.

     

    Is Yze God?

    Is WIlliams the Messiah

    Is Goodwin, Yze and Williams the Holy Trinity.

    Unless I am mistaken, there are 17 other teams who have changed their FD structures, improved their lists (as much as they can) and are all aiming for the same things....chasing, hunting, whatever effing vernacular you want. 

    Top 8 is a pass, Top 4 is more than satisfactory....and then you just hope you don't bow out in straight sets.

    Top 8 is 50% last time i checked

    This MFC List and Football Department should be pushing for a Flag, well aware of how many Clubs are in the Competition, they are there to be beaten 

     

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    On 12/8/2020 at 6:21 AM, Better days ahead said:

    I think this group is good enough to make finals in spite of Goodwin. That being the case making finals is not a pass. Top 4 and a clear demonstration we can mix it with the best teams. No honorable defeats or close calls. We have to beat the likes of Geelong and West Coast this year.

    My god only two wins for the year!!!!

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    1 hour ago, 58er said:

    One way or another you will I code Perty as long as we don't win the flag.

    Please dont post for a week if you can't give some positive contribution about the Club.  It's very tiresome.

    You are wasting you breath 58er.

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    In his 6 years Goodwin has had 4 experienced senior coaches mentor him or assist him:  Two premiership coaches, 1 assistant premiership coach.  

    Has any coach ever had the luxury of such experience?

    We addressed our small fwd and wingman needs last night.  No gaps on the list.  Yes, always room for improvement but no gaps. 

    We now have our premiership list. 

    Injuries and covid aside, the things that have held us back in the last few years imv were:  a poor/inexperienced coaching panel (in particular the line coaches), sports science, an inconsistent and confusing game plan, list gaps. 

    Three of those 4 are now fixed. 

    The game plan is now the issue.  Pert has challenged Goodwin to develop a game plan that suits our list.  That is the key to our success and it rests with the coach. 

    A pass mark has to be more than comparison to two under performing years.   They set a very low bar.  Given we made a prelim in 2018, the improvement in the list, its experience, sports science and coaching panel since has been immense.  A 2021 pass mark can only be if we go deep into the finals.

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