4 minutes ago, Better days ahead said:

Just heard a snippet from Jon Ralph on fox sports news.

He said “of the 234 players in the AFL who had over 100 kicks this year Treloar had the 3^rd worst kick rating. The stat takes into account degree of difficulty. He also kicked just the one goal. Collingwood believe he just does not hurt opposition enough”

This is why Collingwood want rid. For the money he commands that’s a horrible stat.

We need to bring in midfielders that elevate our kicking efficiency not drag it down further. It’s a big NO from me.

I wonder what’ that stat was like before they’re signed him on a 5 year mega deal. He has never been a damaging kick. 

8 hours ago, MurDoc516 said:

600k and a second rounder Tom Browne is saying. I have no info on if that is true just that he is out of collingwood.

Getting closer to my $400-$500 and pick 50.

The $ 900K a year is misleading. Several journo's have pointed out he is owed money by the club for previous seasons which inflates his wage. In order to assist the club and manage its  bulging cap he has heavily backhended his contract. My read on this is the money they are offering to pay of the $ 900K is money owed not the base cost of his contract which may be more manageable which is why they don't want to part pay his contract for its length just the first year. I suspect some dodgy accounting 

So a player accommodates a club and adjusts his contract and when the money is owed they shaft him. Definitely fertile ground for a legal team.

13 hours ago, Demonland said:

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LOL!  I suggested earlier in this thread that Eddie talks to his lawyers.  Legal issues with how they have handled this could be seen a mile away. 

Hope Adam sues them.  There are various fronts on which he could lay claim.

Get him!!! 
His signing WILL make the difference

To paraphrase Jerry McGuire , he’ll complete us

Edited November 2, 20204 yr by joeboy

8 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

LOL!  I suggested earlier in this thread that Eddie talks to his lawyers.  Legal issues with how they have handled this could be seen a mile away. 

Hope Adam sues them.  There are various fronts on which he could lay claim.

It will never get to a legal situation as the AFL and Players Association will solve it. Whatever happens here, Treloar will get paid in full.

34 minutes ago, Better days ahead said:

Just heard a snippet from Jon Ralph on fox sports news.

He said “of the 234 players in the AFL who had over 100 kicks this year Treloar had the 3^rd worst kick rating. The stat takes into account degree of difficulty. He also kicked just the one goal. Collingwood believe he just does not hurt opposition enough”

This is why Collingwood want rid. For the money he commands that’s a horrible stat.

We need to bring in midfielders that elevate our kicking efficiency not drag it down further. It’s a big NO from me.

He played 10 games and it was a bad year.  But he's had very good years, including 2016, 2017 and 2019 when he finished top 3 in their B&F. 

He only kicked one goal this year, but let's not overlook years where he kicked 12, 13, 14, 13, 13, 12 and 10.  They're very good goal kicking numbers for a midfielder.

This year his D/E went at 60%, which is horrible.  But over his career his D/E is 70.4%, which is fine.

So, do we think the season just gone is the outlier, or the rest of his career ?

Maybe Tom Mac and pick 80 would get us Treloar and Phillips, with Pies paying a large chunk of Treloar’s 5 year contract. They are in a real mess and their players will be watching this very closely, as to how AT is being treated. This is a real culture killer atm. 

3 minutes ago, Hannibal Inc. said:

He played 10 games and it was a bad year.  But he's had very good years, including 2016, 2017 and 2019 when he finished top 3 in their B&F. 

He only kicked one goal this year, but let's not overlook years where he kicked 12, 13, 14, 13, 13, 12 and 10.  They're very good goal kicking numbers for a midfielder.

This year his D/E went at 60%, which is horrible.  But over his career his D/E is 70.4%, which is fine.

So, do we think the season just gone is the outlier, or the rest of his career ?

We think aside from a great turn of speed, he is a fairly ordinary footballer who runs harder forward than he does back. A problem that was highlighted within our midfield not so long ago. 

His biggest weakness is his inability to lower his eyes, spot free players and hit them. Bombing long to contests won't hurt his D/E so I can't for the life of me understand why posters use it as a means of talking about how good or bad a player's kick is. There is no measure or stat that reveals how many free targets a player ignores when going to kick. 

Aside from his speed, we have a plethora of midfielders who share similar weaknesses and unless we got him at an absolute bargain as far as both trading and contract go, I would be gobsmacked if we were considering going hard for him. 

If we want him we'll need to clear midfield cap space - that means Brayshaw or maybe Harmes traded.

For his flaws he's polled 21 votes (2016) and 18 votes (2019) in the brownlow. That's A-grade material.

 

38 minutes ago, Hannibal Inc. said:

He played 10 games and it was a bad year.  But he's had very good years, including 2016, 2017 and 2019 when he finished top 3 in their B&F. 

He only kicked one goal this year, but let's not overlook years where he kicked 12, 13, 14, 13, 13, 12 and 10.  They're very good goal kicking numbers for a midfielder.

This year his D/E went at 60%, which is horrible.  But over his career his D/E is 70.4%, which is fine.

So, do we think the season just gone is the outlier, or the rest of his career ?

Fair points particularly bnf placings.

Last year was so weird and unnatural, hub life and all the rest of it so perhaps you could argue its just an outlier. But it was a big drop-off! You’d want to be pretty sure it won’t repeat considering the outlay involved and all the other factors to be resolved to make this happen.  

I just don’t think he adds a whole more than we already have. We have greater needs. I'd rather we focus on those than get distracted by the Treloar circus.

I guess if the player gets paid then there isn’t anything about breaching any rules directly but I still feel like the Pies should be answering to the AFL’s integrity unit for some kind of salary cap manipulation that is against the spirit of the game. I mean it’s like buying a Porsche for 80k and only paying off 20,000 for the first few (and it’s best) years then handing it to someone else expecting them to pay the rest when it’s deprecated in value. 

It’s really wrong and I’m now back on the bandwagon that Treloar should be staying put and the pies should be paying him what THEY promised him. 

According to trade radio, Collingwood are also looking at moving on Mason Cox whose contract is heavily back ended and said to be $600,000 for next season. Got themselves in a bit of a pickle. 

Edited November 3, 20204 yr by Ethan Tremblay

1 hour ago, joeboy said:

To paraphrase Jerry McGuire , he’ll complete us

He could also ruin us.

Media saying he has a 5 year contract starting at $900k per year the first couple and the last few at “well over” a $1m a year. He apparently sacrificed salary on his previous contract, to get make up in this contract. Now Pies have changed their mind and don’t want to honour it.

This is not only a culture killer for the Pies, but possibly also at any new club he goes to.

This is getting very hard and I would walk away from any involvement. We have enough problems of our own. This is without even considering other issues Adam has in his life and even in his game.

I wish him the best,  most likely staying at the Pies. Whatever happens, he will get all his money and so he should.

Now onto Phillips or whoever else we are looking at, without excess baggage.

Edited November 2, 20204 yr by Redleg

57 minutes ago, Better days ahead said:

I just don’t think he adds a whole more than we already have. We have greater needs. I'd rather we focus on those than get distracted by the Treloar circus.

I'd argue that one of our biggest problems is spread from the midfield.  Opposition clubs know that if they match us in the contest they can get us on the outside.

Guess what Treloar excels at ?

1 minute ago, Redleg said:

He could also ruin us.

Media saying he has 5 year contract starting at $900k per year first couple and last few at “well over” a $1m a year. He apparently sacrificed salary on previous contract, to get make up in this contract. Now Pies changed their mind.

This is not only a culture killer for Pies but possibly also at any new club.

This is getting very hard and I would walk away from any involvement. We have enough problems of our own. This is without even considering other issues Adam has in his life and even in his game.

I wish him the best most likely staying at the Pies. Whatever happens he will get all his money and so he should.

Now into Phillips or whoever else we are looking at, without excess baggage.

Yes i hope Adam digs his heels in

The Filth owe him a lot of money

2 minutes ago, Redleg said:

He could also ruin us.

Media saying he has 5 year contract starting at $900k per year first couple and last few at “well over” a $1m a year. He apparently sacrificed salary on previous contract, to get make up in this contract. Now Pies changed their mind.

This is not only a culture killer for Pies but possibly also at any new club.

This is getting very hard and I would walk away from any involvement. We have enough problems of our own. This is without even considering other issues Adam has in his life and even in his game.

I wish him the best most likely staying at the Pies. Whatever happens he will get all his money and so he should.

Now into Phillips or whoever else we are looking at, without excess baggage.

Clearly, no other club is taking over his contract in its current form.

3 minutes ago, Hannibal Inc. said:

I'd argue that one of our biggest problems is spread from the midfield.  Opposition clubs know that if they match us in the contest they can get us on the outside.

Guess what Treloar excels at ?

our biggest midfields'  problem is Viney and Oliver fighting each other for the ball

Our midfield sets up like schoolboy footy

Must be fixed

5 minutes ago, Hannibal Inc. said:

Guess what Treloar excels at ?

Butchering his kicks?

1 minute ago, Better days ahead said:

Butchering his kicks?

Is that the level of your analysis ?

If true that Treloer wants to spend several day every week up in Q to be with his missus then I question his commitment. Not what we need and dumb to take him on his terms.  

Edited November 2, 20204 yr by america de cali

He’s a good player and depending on cost would bring him in. 
 

Also would be fine letting Collingwood sit and twist. 

If the filth took on all of McDonald's contract, then I'd be happy for us to take on all of Treloar's contract for the first two years (length of Tom's contract). But for years 3-5 Collingwood should be forced to pay the money that's owed and we just cover what his base contract was supposed to be.