On 22/08/2020 at 11:47, At the break of Gawn said:

I get that Melksham had a poor performance, but those thinking Goody will drop him are delusional. He’s been pretty decent the last few weeks prior, plus Goody loves him (per the captain choice),

Out: Preuss, Sparrow.

In: Gawn, Bennell or Jones.

Hibberd has one more chance I reckon.

You're right, he probably won't drop him, and then he'll wonder why our efforts are inconsistent and our forward pressure so poor. Then he'll drop Spargo or Hannan, maybe even Kozzy, and the cycle will continue unchanged.

 

  On 22/08/2020 at 11:47, At the break of Gawn said:

I get that Melksham had a poor performance, but those thinking Goody will drop him are delusional. He’s been pretty decent the last few weeks prior, plus Goody loves him (per the captain choice),

Out: Preuss, Sparrow.

In: Gawn, Bennell or Jones.

Hibberd has one more chance I reckon.

I don't recall anyone suggesting melksham will be dropped

Well, we have one forced change in Sparrow.  Easiest would be to just bring Jones back on, but if he's not quite right with his quad maybe it's time to give Jordan a look.  The coaches have been saying for a while that he's ready, so this looks like a good chance to get his feet wet. 

The other thing is that traditionally the Saints have troubled us with outside pace by simply belting the ball into space in the certain knowledge that all of our mids have come in to the contest and they will have free players on the outside to run away with it.  We need to get some outside run into the side for balance.  Hannan might be able to fill that role to some extent, so maybe no other changes.  If we do see more, it needs to be pace. 

  On 22/08/2020 at 11:47, At the break of Gawn said:

I get that Melksham had a poor performance, but those thinking Goody will drop him are delusional. He’s been pretty decent the last few weeks prior, plus Goody loves him (per the captain choice),

Out: Preuss, Sparrow.

In: Gawn, Bennell or Jones.

Hibberd has one more chance I reckon.

Only 2 forced changes after that debacle. I hope you are wrong. We should be making at least 4 to 6 to make a difference these poor performances can't be tolerated. Rivers must come in for a start.

  On 22/08/2020 at 12:09, binman said:

I don't recall anyone suggesting melksham will be dropped

About 10 people have suggested it.

And with good reason.

But I also think it's unlikely Goodwin will drop him. Melksham is rated highly by Goodwin/the FD.

Out: Sparrow (Inj), Pickett, Preuss
In: Rivers, Bedford, Gawn

- Harmes to go into Sparrows role.
- Rivers come in to cover where Harmes has been in the backline.
- Bedford to come in and replace Pickett.
- Gawn to come in for Preuss.

Few questionable as well;

Spargo
Tomlinson
Vanders


 

  On 22/08/2020 at 12:40, titan_uranus said:

About 10 people have suggested it.

And with good reason.

But I also think it's unlikely Goodwin will drop him. Melksham is rated highly by Goodwin/the FD.

Thats because he's by far the best decision maker entering 50 and kick (on both feet) to the advantage of the forward its not funny.  Also not funny is his total lack of defensive pressure. Needs to stay in the team but get a proverbial rocket for that effort today.

  On 22/08/2020 at 12:45, Ham said:

Out: Sparrow (Inj), Pickett, Preuss
In: Rivers, Bedford, Gawn

- Harmes to go into Sparrows role.
- Rivers come in to cover where Harmes has been in the backline.
- Bedford to come in and replace Pickett.
- Gawn to come in for Preuss.

Few questionable as well;

Spargo
Tomlinson
Vanders


 

I thought Tomlinson was ok. Spargo can go waste of space. I'm losing patience with Vanders his hardness can only get him so far, time to do more. Harmes doesn't deserve his spot in the team. I'd like to see Kossie and Bedford together again.

  On 22/08/2020 at 12:47, Jjrogan said:

Thats because he's by far the best decision maker entering 50 and kick (on both feet) to the advantage of the forward its not funny.  Also not funny is his total lack of defensive pressure. Needs to stay in the team but get a proverbial rocket for that effort today.

I know what his positives are.

His mistakes, ill-discipline and failure to impact the game consistently mean the negatives outweigh the positives.

It's a bit like vandenBerg. Positives with the physicality, tackling, pressure, etc., outweighed by the turnovers and ill-discipline.

  On 22/08/2020 at 12:50, WERRIDEE said:

I thought Tomlinson was ok. Spargo can go waste of space. I'm losing patience with Vanders his hardness can only get him so far, time to do more. Harmes doesn't deserve his spot in the team. I'd like to see Kossie and Bedford together again.

I didn't think neither here nor there about Tomlinson today, but I don't rate him overall in that back roll and I think St. Kilda have more genuine goal scorers than what Footscray do.

Spargo is heavily inconsistent, but the reason I chose to leave him in over Kozzie, is because Kozzie simply needs a spell, he is becoming quite undisciplined and needs to learn that doesn't go unnoticed. 

I feel as though that criticism of Harmes has come off the back of him being incorrectly played. I would love to see him get a run at what he has done so well for us in the past, forward/mid. 

I can't wait to see Kozzie and Bedford together again, just not this week. 

Out - T Mac he is a shadow of his former self. I love him but I just can't understand it.

In - Hunt who is a natural forward, has pace, leads well, marks well and puts defensive pressure on the opposition when they have it.

Out: Preuss, Sparrow

In: Gawn, Rivers

Rivers should never have been dropped in the first place. Put him into the half back role and have Harmes run through as the 5th midfielder splitting his time in the forward half.

 

  On 22/08/2020 at 13:35, Nascent said:

Out: Preuss, Sparrow

In: Gawn, Rivers

Rivers should never have been dropped in the first place. Put him into the half back role and have Harmes run through as the 5th midfielder splitting his time in the forward half.

 

Agree re Harmes. Being played in the wrong position. Hibbo had a shocker. Jetta fit?

By the way, we will beat the Saints. 

  On 22/08/2020 at 13:04, Ham said:

I didn't think neither here nor there about Tomlinson today, but I don't rate him overall in that back roll and I think St. Kilda have more genuine goal scorers than what Footscray do.

Spargo is heavily inconsistent, but the reason I chose to leave him in over Kozzie, is because Kozzie simply needs a spell, he is becoming quite undisciplined and needs to learn that doesn't go unnoticed. 

I feel as though that criticism of Harmes has come off the back of him being incorrectly played. I would love to see him get a run at what he has done so well for us in the past, forward/mid. 

I can't wait to see Kozzie and Bedford together again, just not this week. 

...yet Melksham stays?

outs. Sparrow (inj).

Tmcd slow 

Vdberg ineffective 

Hannan clueless

Pickett unlit dynamite - looks dangerous but harmless 

Preuss huge heart but lacks smarts

Spargo little boy in a mans game 

 

in. Brown Baker Bedford Rivers Bennell Gawn c.wagner

Why?
Brown replaces Tmcd  
Baker for pace 
Bedford replaces Pickett
Rivers has run and skill. 
Bennell kicks goals
Gawn is our skipper and a star,
C.wagner can actually compete 

lockhart. May. lever

Hibberd. Tomlinson. Salem 

Langdon. Viney. Baker

Melksham. Brown. Bennell 

Bedford Weid Fritsch 

Gawn Petracca oliver 

Rivers c.wagner brayshaw Harmes 

In Gawn      Out Preuss

In Brown     Out TMac

In Rivers     Out Sparrow

One of Spargo, Hannan or VB has to pay the price. In Maybe Bedford. 

in Max

in Rivers Brown

out Sparow  Preuster Tmac

Move Harmes forward

Edited August 22, 20204 yr by Kent

  On 22/08/2020 at 22:13, spirit of norm smith said:

outs. Sparrow (inj).

Tmcd slow 

Vdberg ineffective 

Hannan clueless

Pickett unlit dynamite - looks dangerous but harmless 

Preuss huge heart but lacks smarts

Spargo little boy in a mans game 

 

in. Brown Baker Bedford Rivers Bennell Gawn c.wagner

Why?
Brown replaces Tmcd  
Baker for pace 
Bedford replaces Pickett
Rivers has run and skill. 
Bennell kicks goals
Gawn is our skipper and a star,
C.wagner can actually compete 

lockhart. May. lever

Hibberd. Tomlinson. Salem 

Langdon. Viney. Baker

Melksham. Brown. Bennell 

Bedford Weid Fritsch 

Gawn Petracca oliver 

Rivers c.wagner brayshaw Harmes 

I will add Baker to my suggested ins. I cant follow how Goody tolerates so many mistakes from players in the team but so much is expected of players not getting a game as we saw with Weid. I am sure Goody would say Baker still needs to work on a few things. It is bizarre.

  On 22/08/2020 at 22:22, Half forward flank said:

I will add Baker to my suggested ins. I cant follow how Goody tolerates so many mistakes from players in the team but so much is expected of players not getting a game as we saw with Weid. I am sure Goody would say Baker still needs to work on a few things. It is bizarre.

Simply have to give him a chance. Baker has pace. We need pace !!!  It was our deficiency v dogs and v Saints last year. 
In baker’s first game , he had burst to get it, get clear and run.

By game 4, he was stopping to handball. His natural pace and run had been outcoached from him by Goodwin. 

Baker needs to be given the next 2 games in the wing opposite Langdon. If he fails, then he is on the edge and likely could be delisted. But give him a go !!!!! 

  On 22/08/2020 at 22:26, spirit of norm smith said:

Simply have to give him a chance. Baker has pace. We need pace !!!  It was our deficiency v dogs and v Saints last year. 
In baker’s first game , he had burst to get it, get clear and run.

By game 4, he was stopping to handball. His natural pace and run had been outcoached from him by Goodwin. 

Baker needs to be given the next 2 games in the wing opposite Langdon. If he fails, then he is on the edge and likely could be delisted. But give him a go !!!!! 

I would be happy with that. The handball points to Goody but also maybe to dominant players looking for easy  touches. I have no inside knowlege but we play like a team with cliques within the team.

  On 22/08/2020 at 09:33, Jaded said:

Love it. Would add out Harmes in Jetta. 

I have assumed Harmes will move into Sparrows rotation. We already lack pace we cant bring in Jetta against the Saints. 

  On 22/08/2020 at 10:59, Jaded said:

Melksham has been woeful in all but one game this year. He keeps getting games seemingly because he’s mate with Goodwin. He needs to be dropped. If it’s good enough for Hibbo, Jones and Jetta it’s good enough for Melksham. 

Whilst I would for longer term team balance and due to his lack of defence and discipline would omit Melksham It’s understandable why we dont. Even yesterday he kicked 1 goal 3 and had 6 score involvements. I dont expect him to be go anywhere whilst he is creating 5+ chances to score. 

Edited August 22, 20204 yr by big_red_fire_engine

  On 22/08/2020 at 22:04, monoccular said:

...yet Melksham stays?

I've wanted him dropped for half this season, Goody mustn't read our messages on here unfortunately..

Sparrow with a busted wing is out and we will be playing off a 5 day break so some may need to be rested  given we front up for the next game 4 days later. The Saints have a 4 day break so maybe that will help us. My concern is that in the Dogs exploited us with the switch and fast transition and that the the Saints will murder us because that is their bread and butter game style.Lets hope the coaching staff are quick to come up with a solution to this.

The backline is pretty settled except for Harmes who is out of sorts and probably out of position.. If not dropped he replaces Sparrow and Rivers comes in. Gawn in for Preuss and Mac is the backup ruckman and I doubt Jones will get up so soon with quad tightness. Look to the emergencies for who will come in. They were Mitch Brown, Mitch Hannan, Trent Rivers and Joel Smith. No real outside runners in this group

Out Sparrow Preuss

In Gawn, Rivers

I don't care as long as Tmac doesn't play 

Also get Bennell in and Rivers in