CHANGES: Rd 12 vs Collingwood

[Bring-Back-Powell 15,065]

Jackson has a hamstring tendon injury.

Have to be close to season ending?

[spalding 1,128]

Ok to risk Adams and focus on Sidebottom. He always kills us - even more so than Pendlebury. 

[Demonland 73,266]

I take it the teams won't be released until tomorrow evening.

[Nasher 33,617]

55 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

That's awful news about Jackson on a number of levels.

There are a number of options, all of which stink:

1. Brown replaces Jackson, TMac stays 1st ruck and we use Weideman/Brown/Tomlinson as the relief rucks;
2. Preuss replaces Jackson and plays 1st ruck, with TMac taking Jackson's spot in the forward line and relief ruck;
3. OMac replaces Jackson and takes Tomlinson's defensive spot, Tomlinson then takes TMac's spot in the ruck and TMac takes Jackson's spot.

Whatever we do, I want us to try to maintain our forward structure first and foremost. Collingwood set up very well behind the ball. We can't try our luck with replacing Jackson with a mid/small forward and leaving Weideman as the sole key forward. Whether it's Brown or TMac, someone has to play as the second tall forward.

I don’t think option 2 stinks. TMac and Weideman looked okay as a combination initially until TMac had his eyeball scraped out. With Weideman now having demonstrated capability as first forward, TMac can play the more mobile, pinch hit in the ruck role he played in 2018. It’s not ideal but I don’t think it’s terrible, or all that far off what we probably thought our forward line might look like at the start of the year.

[Demon_spurs 1,891]

Nothing about Jackson on the MFC website, 3 hours after Brown announced in the media. Sometimes we get treated like junior clerks.

[Radar Detector 1,347]

50 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

That's awful news about Jackson on a number of levels.

There are a number of options, all of which stink:

1. Brown replaces Jackson, TMac stays 1st ruck and we use Weideman/Brown/Tomlinson as the relief rucks;
2. Preuss replaces Jackson and plays 1st ruck, with TMac taking Jackson's spot in the forward line and relief ruck;
3. OMac replaces Jackson and takes Tomlinson's defensive spot, Tomlinson then takes TMac's spot in the ruck and TMac takes Jackson's spot.

Whatever we do, I want us to try to maintain our forward structure first and foremost. Collingwood set up very well behind the ball. We can't try our luck with replacing Jackson with a mid/small forward and leaving Weideman as the sole key forward. Whether it's Brown or TMac, someone has to play as the second tall forward.

I prefer option 2 or 3. I think we might need OMac back in to play on one of the 200+cm forwards anyway which would mean we move Tomlinson onto the wing or into the ruck.

Preuss would usually be run ragged by Grundy but with the Pies backing up after successive 4, 5 and 4 day breaks, and all relatively close games, now may be the time to play him.

Hopefully TMac’s effort last week gives him a bit more confidence going into this week. He’s still nowhere near his best but we will need him firing if we’re going to make a run.

[Pickett2Jackson 3,904]

Preuss has to come in we have no other option (assuming Max is out).

Would love Cam Pedersen to re-appear right about now.

[jnrmac 20,207]

The Pies have injuries and underdone players way more so than us. 

We are lucky. We're also incredibly flexible as side and can get very creative. 

And if we're scratching our heads then Collingwood will have no idea as to how we will set up. 

All in all we're in good shape. 

Time for Goodwin to silence the doubters (me!) 

Dees by 23

[dazzledavey36 55,458]

I would be gobsmacked if Gawn played this weekend. Reports have him not training at all this week. 

With his history of knee injuries, surely Goodwin and Burgess aren't that stupid to play him.

[monoccular 17,607]

Some sort of breakthrough news on 7 Jackson may be our for the year ?

FMD, FMY, FML

 

 

[DemonOX 8,818]

3 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

The Pies have injuries and underdone players way more so than us. 

We are lucky. We're also incredibly flexible as side and can get very creative. 

And if we're scratching our heads then Collingwood will have no idea as to how we will set up. 

All in all we're in good shape. 

Time for Goodwin to silence the doubters (me!) 

Dees by 23

If we lose this game injuries are NO excuse imo. 
 

Pressure continues to be on Goodwin to improve as a coach. 

[titan_uranus 25,058]

17 minutes ago, Nasher said:

I don’t think option 2 stinks. TMac and Weideman looked okay as a combination initially until TMac had his eyeball scraped out. With Weideman now having demonstrated capability as first forward, TMac can play the more mobile, pinch hit in the ruck role he played in 2018. It’s not ideal but I don’t think it’s terrible, or all that far off what we probably thought our forward line might look like at the start of the year.

It stinks in general, but the least of the options.

To maintain our structure as much as possible, it should be Preuss. 

[Jaded No More 68,974]

Sounds like Jackson is done for the season. Just great. 2020. 

[Salems Lot 2,665]

Jackson 4-6 weeks according to Tom - the accurate one -Browne

[picket fence 17,743]

1 hour ago, DubDee said:

Jebus. I was hoping for a 4th option.

It will be a much weakened team regardless. Preuss's last couple of games for us were very poor. His work around the ground almost non-existent

I would not be surprised at all if they get creative with the ruck situation rather than playing Preuss

Disagree played some great games and also kicked goals

I think Play Pruessy and T Mac in tandem and maybee Weeds and Tomlinson as well

Brown could be the "Wildcard" Selection Smart around goals and could be inspired!!! A few needing a rest. Starting with Melksham and whilst I love him Harmsy has been fumbly of late!!

Edited August 13, 2020 by picket fence

[monoccular 17,607]

1 minute ago, picket fence said:

Disagree played some great games and also kicked goals

I think Play Pruessy and T Mac in tandem and maybee Weeds and Tomlinson as well

Brow could be the "Wildcard" Selection Smart around goals and a few needin a rest. Staring with Melksham and whilst I love him Harmsy has been fumbly of late!!

FFS leave Weed where he does his best work.  

IF they ruck Weed after it becoming bleedingly obvious that it is not his role then they have lost me for all time.  

[titan_uranus 25,058]

My preference is for Preuss to come in and play 1st ruck, with TMac playing the second tall forward role.

There should be 1-2 other changes around the ground (e.g. Viney/Lockhart/OMac may come in, vandenBerg/Harmes/Tomlinson may go out) but it's the way we structurally respond to not having Jackson or Gawn that is critical IMO.

[picket fence 17,743]

8 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I would be gobsmacked if Gawn played this weekend. Reports have him not training at all this week. 

With his history of knee injuries, surely Goodwin and Burgess aren't that stupid to play him.

If Gawn Plays Dazzle this really is Detrimental to the wellbeing of the player!! 

Good teams cover!! Great teams Cover and CONQUER!!

[picket fence 17,743]

33 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Jackson has a hamstring tendon injury.

Have to be close to season ending?

IF you are right then he wont play for rest of the year.. Hamstring tendons are the worst injuries to overcome! 

[The Great Pretender 480]

Two ruckmen - one the skipper, the other our first rising star in 4 years - under an injury cloud. Supporters concerned. Any danger of a word from the MFC?

[Megatron 886]

5 minutes ago, picket fence said:

IF you are right then he wont play for rest of the year.. Hamstring tendons are the worst injuries to overcome! 

It’s a tendon according to Burgo on the website. 4-6 weeks

[Lord Nev 13,512]

5 minutes ago, The Great Pretender said:

Two ruckmen - one the skipper, the other our first rising star in 4 years - under an injury cloud. Supporters concerned. Any danger of a word from the MFC?

https://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/794634

 

[The Great Pretender 480]

5 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

https://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/794634

 

Thanks - notice it was just put up now.

[picket fence 17,743]

11 minutes ago, Megatron said:

It’s a tendon according to Burgo on the website. 4-6 weeks

Ok. The tendon is what connects the Muscle tissue to the fibrous but hardy tendon at both ends of the "String" and into the bone! Thus Crucial!! The hamstrings are a group of three muscles that are found on the back of the thigh.

Tendons have low blood flow and attach to the bone which makes them "Crucial" To the integrity of the Hammy as its the main Insertion point 

In my experience You do NOT EVER muck around with Tendon/Insertion Injuries> PERIOD!

Some can be treated with Physio and strengthening BUT if bad enough surgery is the way to go!

I hope its not serious!

Edited August 13, 2020 by picket fence

[Adam The God 30,541]

33 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

My preference is for Preuss to come in and play 1st ruck, with TMac playing the second tall forward role.

There should be 1-2 other changes around the ground (e.g. Viney/Lockhart/OMac may come in, vandenBerg/Harmes/Tomlinson may go out) but it's the way we structurally respond to not having Jackson or Gawn that is critical IMO.

If Oscar comes in, Tomlinson should go into the ruck IMV. That way we keep our forward structure with Weid and McDonald.

Edited August 13, 2020 by A F