POSTGAME: Rd 08 vs Brisbane

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4 hours ago, Brownie said:

I totally agree, tucked his elbow in ready for impact with Jettas head. 

Head ducked or not, you can't do that.

The commentators just said Jetta (a veteran player) needs to change his game.

Why? He was going in to collect the ball. Why are we not protecting players going for the ball? It's the same for a lot of the htb decisions now. You're better off holding off to tackle and be rewarded.

 

Now you make a great post here. When I played and I know that was a long time ago, you were told, play in front, be first in for the ball and you will be given the benefit. Now we have a senior coach advocating no prior opportunity. Surely you have to look after the ball winner. Reduce the time to get rid of the ball maybe but to take it away is altering the fabric of the game. Coaches seem to throw up anything but reduced interchange to improve the game but all these interchanges is when the game started to go down hill.

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4 hours ago, Yung Blood said:

It was a pretty clear cut game.

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Viney was outstanding. He has been terrific all, has gone up another level like Trac. His ball use and composure now added to his game

Backline performed well again considering the conditions. 

Despite how untidy we were most of the night we stayed in the game and even took control for patches by playing it in our front half

Forward line structure good again just didn't capitalize

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As mentioned above, at stoppages we were able to win the ball first but so often lost possession and they feasted on the loose ball

They were so much cleaner with their ball use all over the ground especially in tight

After such an even team effort last week I thought a lot of players didn't contribute enough especially late. The gap between our best and worst was noticable. Viney, Trac, Clayton, Gawn, Langdon all felt like the only players really contributing to gutting out a win.

Harmes had an absolute shocker. Very keen to see him have a spell and give someone else a go at the role

Top post.

Pretty much how i saw the game.

Totally agree with the comment that unlike last week we had too many passengers.

And on who did.

What did you make of Jones's game?

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26 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Massive call there. Massive.

Or are you just referring to personnel rather than actual performances?

We're certainly better than the shambles of 2019 though.

Sorry i worded it badly. i think we are closer to a premiership now than we were in 2018 

as in i feel we've got our contest stuff back to a level where it's universally respected through the league, teams know the dees are good there. 

and i think our backline has improved drastically to being one of the better units going around. 

and ironically i think our forward line is functioning quite well the last few weeks. 

we're not there yet but i think we are a top 8 standard team with plenty of score to improve still. 

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10 minutes ago, binman said:

Top post.

Pretty much how i saw the game.

Totally agree with the comment that unlike last week we had too many passengers.

And on who did.

What did you make of Jones's game?

I thought he was solid enough. He appeared to be playing HF/wing. I think ball in hand his experience was useful at times. It's his off ball work that I'm unsure if he can still compete at the highest level sustaining the pressure in our forward half. 

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14 minutes ago, binman said:

Top post.

Pretty much how i saw the game.

Totally agree with the comment that unlike last week we had too many passengers.

And on who did.

What did you make of Jones's game?

To be honest could have done with AVB's physicality last night.

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I think the reality is we're playing 2 inside mids out of position (Brayshaw and Harmes).  Love them both but can't see them both staying in the side unless some of the first choice (i.e. Oliver and Petracca) spend some time forward.

Has Harmes had much of a go on the wing?

 

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2 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

if we had beaten Geelong and Lions ...

If, if, if.

But back in the real world, we didn't beat Geelong. Or the Lions. Or Richmond or West Coast for that matter.  The ladder doesn't lie, and for the moment at least, we're a mid-table team who have been consistently beaten by teams in the upper part of the table.

We have a forward line built around kids and players with under 50 games. In the mids, after a few stars of the comp, we have players who half the contributors to this thread think should be dropped. We have a backline with a player who's past it, one who's a kid who may/may not make it, and another who's so criticised he has his own ongoing thread.

Top 4? Delusional.

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6 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Top 4? Delusional.

We so badly need a scalp.

As you pointed out we keep losing to the big boys of the comp to be considered anywhere near a top 4 or even top 8 side.

We need to start by knocking off Port, but I'm not convinced they're the ultimate scalp at the moment. Brisbane are certainly a better side than Port.

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1 minute ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

We so badly need a scalp.

Agree. But if you're top 4, you're taking scalps every other week.

Lots of potential, and I'm starting to enjoy watching them again - but we're a year or two away from being able to reliably mix it with the big boys. Though even then, our disposal/decision-making skills would want to go to a whole other level, and I'm not sure that with the current personal that's going to happen.

[poita 3,902]

Didn't see the game last night, but note that both coaches gave Lachie Neale 5 votes in the coaches award.

What did Goodwin do to negate Neale's influence, or was it simply a matter of having Viney trying to have an impact the other way?

I don't understand why we no longer use Harmes to run with the opposition's best midfielder, particularly when the opposition is on top as Brisbane were in the second quarter.

 

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20 hours ago, Coq au vin said:

Pickett is vastly overrated.

Nah, coq au vin is though.

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Coaches votes:

Looks like:

• 5/5 Neal
• 4/3 Bailey
• 4/3 Petracca
• 2/2 Viney
• 1 Lyons
• 1 McCluggage

Very even assessment this week.

tbh this week I thought Viney had a better game than Petracca.  It would be interesting to know what they look at.

Anyone notice Zac Bailey and why he polled so well.

Petracca now 2nd on the leader Board (37) to Neal (50) having played one less game.  Max still at 11th

Tonights game Cats vs Freo still to be voted on.

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Same old friggin story could’ve, would’ve & should’ve ..,  when will this club ever start winning these types of games????

 

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8 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Coaches votes:

Trac's season's getting ridiculous.

Willed us back into the game in the last quarter.

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1 minute ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Trac's season's getting ridiculous.

Willed us back into the game in the last quarter.

True. 

Just goes to show stats impress fans but don't necessarily impress coaches.  Oliver topped most of the stats for us but failed to get a coaches vote.

I guess Petracca having 9 score involvements in 14 total scoring shots is very impressive.

He would have to be odds on for the Bluey.

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,816]

So many mixed feelings about last night's game.

We didn't play that well for a big chunk of the game, but were still very competitive in the final wash up on the score board.

I hate 'honorable' losses, but to get so close gives me some comfort that our team and form are currently around the mark. 

Even though we really didn't deserve to win in some ways, I was absolutely spewing inside at the time, because being there at the ground, it would have been sensational to stick it up the numerous moronic Lions supporters I was surrounded by at the time.  So rank that a suposed home game for us was really more of a home game for them.

I think I also feel denied by some of the diabolical umpiring decisions in the last ten minutes.  Both the BS score review and the 50m penalty paid against Fritsch.  Although we were on the right end of a few 50m that resulted in goals (Gawn & Jones), they were both pretty clearly there, where as the argumentative "you didn't get the ball back quickly enough" type 50m are so rarely paid and combined, they both had the effect of snuffing out any chance of scoring that final goal in the dying minutes.

Conversely feeling of being cheated by the men in yellow is also somewhat ballanced by the numerous regulation shots from Weid and Bennel that should have been put away and the brain faid from Nev that handed them a goal via Charlie Cameron.

Also disapointed, because it feels like a bit of a turning point in our season.  It puts a pretty big bridge between us and keeping up with the top 8.  Conversely I also think that we are good enough on our way to beat Port on Thursday night, win the next 3 games after that and be back in the hunt, but it's a pretty big ask.

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17 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Trac's season's getting ridiculous.

Willed us back into the game in the last quarter.

Went missing in the second quarter when the game was won unfortunately 

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I've hardly read this thread, because I was driving back and have been busy at work today, but I do feel that one of the things Brisbane did which significantly helped their cause was to mitigate the impact of Max's marking and presence around the ground.  I guess I'd been lulled by the pretty much free rein that he had been allowed against Hawthorn and the absence of Martin.  Was expecting something of another free for all against the Lions.  However I thought they did well to reduce his influence in the air and around the ground. 

Being there at the ground, it was clear that they were putting a lot of work into him off the ball.  Not overly dirty stuff, but constantly bumping into him and shepherding him from running into position a mile off the play.  I watched Charlie Cameron do this to him numerous times, blocking Max from getting into a good marking position outside 50 for kick-ins. Max seemed to try to make it obvious to the umps what was going on, without giving away free kicks to them in their forward 50.  Didn't notice too much of our blokes flying the flag to an extent for big Max.

a) I think that we need to be better as a team and recognize when this is going on and a put on better physical pressure the other way to let their blokes know we won't tolerate it and

b) Any chance of the umpires ever cutting this kind of crap out?

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Mc Stay gets 2 weeks for bump on Jetta, rightly so.

[Skuit 10,031]

Foolishly missed the game and haven't watched a replay (the highlights were frustrating enough) - but going by what has been said on here I think sometimes having such a dominant ruckman can be a detriment, especially when we have an elite extraction crew. 

Raised the same point a few years back when Gawn was sidelined and we had a good run with Pedo. I would back us in to win with equal caliber ruckmen and a 50-50 split on the tap. But when teams are certain they will lose the hit-out they can plan negating tactics. 

Didn't say it at the time but I felt Stef Martin going out wasn't a good thing. We set up as if we are assured of ruck dominance - not being reactionary is a mark of Goodwin's coaching - but it means we're constantly subject to defensive tactics such as sharking etc. 

 

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10 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

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Conversely feeling of being cheated by the men in yellow is also somewhat ballanced by the numerous regulation shots from Weid and Bennel that should have been put away and the brain faid from Nev that handed them a goal via Charlie Cameron.

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I haven't seen that Deliberate OoB free discussed.  But I disagree.  Seems to me he was trying to kick it hard a fair way to his left to allow Langdon(?) who was in front of his opponent to run onto it, but accidentally it went far too straight and OoB.   I cannot believe that any player would have such a big brain fade that hard that far from the boundary.   Unfortunately it's unlikely an ump could avoid paying the free.

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3 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Mc Stay gets 2 weeks for bump on Jetta, rightly so.

Quite right and an unusual pleasure to see the AFL has more sense than the commentators.  (Admitedly low bar).  Whately is probably upset that Nev didn't get weeks for leading with his head.

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4 minutes ago, sue said:

I haven't seen that Deliberate OoB free discussed.  But I disagree.  Seems to me he was trying to kick it hard a fair way to his left to allow Langdon(?) who was in front of his opponent to run onto it, but accidentally it went far too straight and OoB.   I cannot believe that any player would have such a big brain fade that hard that far from the boundary.   Unfortunately it's unlikely an ump could avoid paying the free.

In wet conditions it was a reasonable thing to try (get it to Langdon without risking picking it up in the teeth of goal).

The crazy thing is, the deliberate OOB rule is the only one enforced with any rigour in the whole competition!

And why? Deliberate OOB is hardly turning people off the game like throwing the ball, and  holding the ball. AFL has it backwards.

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2 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

With respect to the Hannan - Fristch debacle, I absolutely blame Fristch more than Hannan on that one.

Hannan's kick was terrible however a Lions kick in from deep in the back pocket would've been kicked to a Max Gawn contest 60 mtrs out from goal and who know what would've happened. It was the best part of the ground to make a mistake/give away a free.

Instead Fritsch carried on like a "smart alec" as Barret labelled him, and was warned numerous times to give the ball back, only for him to then lie on the pill. Can't defend the indefensible there.

I don't know if Goodwin delivers good old fashioned cooks after the game but Fristch deserves one right there.

The Lever point review was frustrating as hell, but technically the goal umpire did the right thing as it was a close call. But common sense suggested it should not have been called back for such an irrelevant score of 1 point.

Good performance by the lads to keep a top 2 side goal-less in the last quarter, but ultimately these honorable losses are going to cost us finals. There will no good will from supporters or media if we drop another thriller to Port this week. Infact it will be season over as we can't go 7-2 after Port. 

Assuming 10 wins will be needed to make finals (9 might be enough), why not?

Which of Adelaide, North, Sydney, Fremantle, Essendon, GWS, the Dogs, St Kilda and Collinwood are impossible for us to win?

I'm not saying we will go 7-2, and it will obviously be easier if we do beat Port and get confidence that we can beat top 8 sides, but I don't look at our fixture post-Port and think we're automatically done.

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15 minutes ago, sue said:

I haven't seen that Deliberate OoB free discussed.  But I disagree.  Seems to me he was trying to kick it hard a fair way to his left to allow Langdon(?) who was in front of his opponent to run onto it, but accidentally it went far too straight and OoB.   I cannot believe that any player would have such a big brain fade that hard that far from the boundary.   Unfortunately it's unlikely an ump could avoid paying the free.

Ok, perhaps brain faid wasn't the best /most complete characterisation.  Add poor skill execution to the incident. 

I don't actually recall a player being that nearby. 

 I also feel the decision to kick off the ground was as much the problem as the execution.

The Nev of old probably wouldn't have messed it up so badly.

Anyways, my main point is that we had as much our selves to blame as the people in yellow.