TEAMS: Rd 06 vs Gold Coast

[Lucifers Hero 39,504]

In this article Goodwin is quoted as saying  noise-is-noise-demons-stare-down-heavy-criticism

"...Nathan Jones needed another week of training before being in the frame for selection."  so won't be called up tomorrow even tho listed an emergency.

This means he cannot get to 300 games this season unless we make finals.  He is on 287 so needs 13 games.  There are 12 left (incl the Ess game) after this week.

So we must win tomorrow to give Jonesy a fighting chance to get to the 300 games as it is hard to see him continuing into next year.

 

[old dee 23,762]

1 hour ago, John Demonic said:

Social media gives you the dopamine hit. Our dopey players on the other hand give us very little reward each week!

They are destroying my enjoyment of the game in total JD.

[titan_uranus 24,969]

On balance the changes look good to me. I'm 100% in favour of Weideman and Bennell coming in, I see the logic behind replacing Smith with OMac (OMac plays that role better than Smith and I don't think Smith is a long-term defender), and I can appreciate Jetta replacing Rivers.

Hunt wasn't playing well enough to resist being dropped but I'd have gone with Melksham.

[Pates 9,659]

9 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

In this article Goodwin is quoted as saying  noise-is-noise-demons-stare-down-heavy-criticism

"...Nathan Jones needed another week of training before being in the frame for selection."  so won't be called up tomorrow even tho listed an emergency.

This means he cannot get to 300 games this season unless we make finals.  He is on 287 so needs 13 games.  There are 12 left (incl the Ess game) after this week.

So we must win tomorrow to give Jonesy a fighting chance to get to the 300 games as it is hard to see him continuing into next year.

 

Jeez that would be gutting if he ended up stranded on 299.

[Maldonboy38 6,390]

OMac - glad he is back in. He looks clumsy and makes howlers at times, but he adds s fair bit to the system and structure of the backline.

Weid - we need a forward line built around 2 talls. I love the way he goes for it in the air, even if he is under it or has concrete hands. I can't wait to see Kozzie hanging around his feet.

Jetta - Good decision, but the Gold Coast youngs will test his nouse and maturity. 

Bennell - still feels like trying to hit a 220 metre approach shot with a 2 iron, onto a green above my eye line surrounded by water. Huge risk, but it will be amazing if it works. I want to see it work but my expectations are low. 

[pinkshark 950]

20 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

Viney was worse imo.  Vanders at least improved a smidgen.  Bit of a coin flip though.  Would have considered ANB for Viney.  Push Harmes into the starting 3 mids with Tracc & Clarry.

Viney's crash bash effort can't be faulted but what he does (or doesn't do as the case may be) afterwards is a blight on our great game and a massive coach / team / confidence killer.

149 posts I read waiting to see this.  How Viney escaped everyones attention had me stuffed.  He is absolutely phugging shidhouse?  Useless

 

[Skuit 10,030]

I don't often comment in the selections thread - what's the point - you mostly end up looking like a goose at the conclusion of game-day. The clamour and applaud for Omac and Weids' inclusion is likely to be next amusing chapter come the next 'changes' thread. 

The only thing I hold on to though, in terms of Melksham's ongoing selection, is that he's historically been a slow starter after a break, going back to his very first season with us. The stats bare this out - except 2019, but I recall being furious with him in the early rounds. 

Otherwise, there is simply no justification for his selection. And if he plays again the way he has been playing - completely selfish and lazy with next to no impact - and is selected again the following week, I will be officially off Goodwin and the selection committee.  

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

12 minutes ago, pinkshark said:

149 posts I read waiting to see this.  How Viney escaped everyones attention had me stuffed.  He is absolutely phugging shidhouse?  Useless

 

Have been a massive Viney fan and patient for many seasons PS.

Effort is never in question but....

Barring a massive turnaround in form and method of disposal / execution / agility away from congestion (instead of running all ahead full steam most of the time), his value and time may well be nigh at season's end imho.

Might be time to trade for value while there's still value.

[binman 42,608]

3 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

Have been a massive Viney fan and patient for many seasons PS.

Effort is never in question but....

Barring a massive turnaround in form and method of disposal / execution / agility away from congestion (instead of running all ahead full steam most of the time), his value and time may well be nigh at season's end imho.

Might be time to trade for value while there's still value.

Unfortunately I reckon he has very little trade value given his kicking way below AFL standard.

Perhaps the suns might be keen given they have plenty of skill to offset his lack of it and they might like another seasoned mid to complement their youngish.

It's actually bizarre he is such a poor kick given by all accounts he is old school in that he was a total footy head from a toddler on. And always had a ball in his hands. He's not like say a frost who is athlete first, footballer second.

It's such a pity because he gets the hard ball as well as any player in the league. 

[DurriePirate 97]

bit rich of the club to drop tomlinson after making him ruck, the exact reason he wanted out of GWS and was the main selling point he noted when he signed "goody wants me as a specialist wingman" ha also went on to [censored] about playing all over the ground and not getting any continuity in his game having to be Mr Fix it utility.

Edited July 10, 2020 by DurriePirate

[DurriePirate 97]

Also my guess is Rivers managed/protected this week, give the young bloke a week or two off to give the small frame a recovery

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

13 minutes ago, binman said:

Unfortunately I reckon he has very little trade value given his kicking way below AFL standard.

Perhaps the suns might be keen given they have plenty of skill to offset his lack of it and they might like another seasoned mid to complement their youngish.

It's actually bizarre he is such a poor kick given by all accounts he is old school in that he was a total footy head from a toddler on. And always had a ball in his hands. He's not like say a frost who is athlete first, footballer second.

It's such a pity because he gets the hard ball as well as any player in the league. 

There's just no vision / composure / finish with ball in hand too often Bin.  As you say a real shame as you won't find too many better tackling / contested beasts in the AFL.

I thought we would have seen layers added to his initial crash / bash style by now but alas, sadly not.

[spirit of norm smith 16,250]

Simply must win this week

[Dr. Gonzo 24,131]

19 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

There's just no vision / composure / finish with ball in hand too often Bin.  As you say a real shame as you won't find too many better tackling / contested beasts in the AFL.

I thought we would have seen layers added to his initial crash / bash style by now but alas, sadly not.

Development still a massive issue at the club. How many players significantly improve compared to how they are when they arrive at the club?

[deanox 9,896]

1 hour ago, Skuit said:

I don't often comment in the selections thread - what's the point - you mostly end up looking like a goose at the conclusion of game-day. The clamour and applaud for Omac and Weids' inclusion is likely to be next amusing chapter come the next 'changes' thread. 

The only thing I hold on to though, in terms of Melksham's ongoing selection, is that he's historically been a slow starter after a break, going back to his very first season with us. The stats bare this out - except 2019, but I recall being furious with him in the early rounds. 

Otherwise, there is simply no justification for his selection. And if he plays again the way he has been playing - completely selfish and lazy with next to no impact - and is selected again the following week, I will be officially off Goodwin and the selection committee.  

I agree with this.  I've wondered if one of the reasons they are persisting is because he is one of our best kicks inside 50. So despite the wretched form, his upside is critical to fixing our main problem.

[Skuit 10,030]

5 minutes ago, deanox said:

I agree with this.  I've wondered if one of the reasons they are persisting is because he is one of our best kicks inside 50. So despite the wretched form, his upside is critical to fixing our main problem.

Hoping he gets some of Tomlinson's load up the wings delivering inside and is made accountable.

Bennel's role is a mystery. The back-line ins and outs sort of explain themselves. Omac and Jetta for Smith and Rivers. 

The forward line seems a structural reshuffle. Weid at the expense of Hunt, but then does Bennell replace Tomlinson or . . . ? 

[Pates 9,659]

5 minutes ago, Skuit said:

Hoping he gets some of Tomlinson's load up the wings delivering inside and is made accountable.

Bennel's role is a mystery. The back-line ins and outs sort of explain themselves. Omac and Jetta for Smith and Rivers. 

The forward line seems a structural reshuffle. Weid at the expense of Hunt, but then does Bennell replace Tomlinson or . . . ? 

I think the're might be a little sharing of the load on dropping on Tomlinson. Hannan, Fritta, and Melksham may be asked to play a little further up the ground, which I don't mind as all of them (at least in previous seasons) have had pretty decent disposal.

Melksham getting more involved in our entries for me is key as he put so many balls into great positions in 2018. It appears he's been playing a little deeper lately.

For Bennell I would think they are wanting a bit of creativity inside and on the edge of 50, a bit of spark and hopefully a cool head. I'm just looking forward to seeing him and Kozzie play together.

Edited July 10, 2020 by Pates

[P-man 13,366]

Honestly, it’s a decent looking team. On paper.

i suppose that’s the key difference between today and the dark days, I look at that team and wonder why we aren’t playing better. As opposed to looking at the team and knowing exactly why we aren’t playing better.

[Go the Biff 3,414]

1 hour ago, Rusty Nails said:

There's just no vision / composure / finish with ball in hand too often Bin.  As you say a real shame as you won't find too many better tackling / contested beasts in the AFL.

I thought we would have seen layers added to his initial crash / bash style by now but alas, sadly not.

With regard to Viney, something Ross Lyon said in the past week or so resonates.

"Play what's in front of you"

It's simple advice but it would make Viney more effective. If he emerges from a contest and has his back to goal he should be looking to dish of to a runner heading towards goal. No point trying to swing around - he's hopelessly one sided (like a lot of left footers) so everyone knows where he's gonna go if he keeps possession. Give off the ball. Attack the chaser if there is one. Shepherd. This approach would capitalise on his strengths and mitigate some of his weaknesses.

It's also been noted that he's been slipping over - a lot. Something else I hate. But I'm wondering if whether Viney has a limited choice of footwear due to his history of foot injuries. Either way, Jack - play what's in front of you

[Skuit 10,030]

15 minutes ago, Pates said:

For Bennell I would think they are wanting a bit of creativity inside and on the edge of 50, a bit of spark and hopefully a cool head. I'm just looking forward to seeing him and Kozzie play together.

I dunno. They made a point that Bennell picked up 35 possessions in the last scratch. I was always excited by the notion of Bennell and Pickett in opposing pockets - but it seems like they're grooming Bennell for an on-ball running role. We need that. It could be our missing link. But it's a big ask. 

[Farmer 875]

On 7/9/2020 at 6:30 PM, Deemented Are Go! said:

Didn’t see last game, but thought Tomlinson has been serviceable last few weeks, bit stiff?

 

On 7/9/2020 at 6:36 PM, Watts the matter said:

Nope, has been exactly as expected and why I was disappointed we chased him. Lacks urgency/intesity in contested situations, takes to long to move the ball when marking it and then does nothing with his kicks. The only time he did something noteworthy was the accidental pass to Hunt against Carlton. The amount of times he has made good position and then dropped marks against undersized opponents is infuriating. 

 

Played quite well v Geelong but lacked determination v Tigers

[Lil_red_fire_engine 11,108]

22 hours ago, drdrake said:

Would like to see Salem on the Wing.  Funny we made the statement last year that we tried 20 odd players on the wing and had no one this is why we drafted Langdon and Tomlinson.  They won't have the courage to move Salem off half back so the Wings will be AVB/Brayshaw/Harmes

 

Salem does not work hard enough to play wing. If anything he should be tried in the middle in spurts where less unheeded running is required. Plays much better from behind the ball. 

[old dee 23,762]

11 hours ago, Maldonboy38 said:

OMac - glad he is back in. He looks clumsy and makes howlers at times, but he adds s fair bit to the system and structure of the backline.

Weid - we need a forward line built around 2 talls. I love the way he goes for it in the air, even if he is under it or has concrete hands. I can't wait to see Kozzie hanging around his feet.

Jetta - Good decision, but the Gold Coast youngs will test his nouse and maturity. 

Bennell - still feels like trying to hit a 220 metre approach shot with a 2 iron, onto a green above my eye line surrounded by water. Huge risk, but it will be amazing if it works. I want to see it work but my expectations are low. 

If he plays half the game he will contribute more than a large number of others Mb38.

[binman 42,608]

8 hours ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

Salem does not work hard enough to play wing. If anything he should be tried in the middle in spurts where less unheeded running is required. Plays much better from behind the ball. 

Agrree. His kicks aren't penetrating enough either.

Edited July 11, 2020 by binman

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On 7/10/2020 at 10:58 AM, Lucifer's Hero said:

Are you @samcantstandya's alter ego ??

we r one and the same.