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Oliver: The Forgotten Superstar?

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29 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

yep

everyone rants and raves about so many players, meanwhile oliver has been a gun from day dot 

Agreed. For some reason he has also been copping [censored] rather than accolades since day dot in the media

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    100% agree. He is underrated, but does also have another level to go as well, which would put him right up there with the top handful in the comp.

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    From his first game, Clarrie showed that he was playing a level or more above his peers. He is that good.

    Until his coaches and team mates adjust (they have had three years already so hurry up) he might not reach his true potential. He can't carry a team on his own.

    Earlier match winning stars such as Voss, *ird, Mitchell (both), Dusty and *udd have been able to maximise their value by having team mates who read their game and ran to the right positions to receive. Until he gets more support at the dees, Clarrie potential will be restricted.

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    He's underrated because lots of his work is done in packs where it's not clear to see what is going on.

    I wouldn't call him a superstar yet. He's a consistently good player but he needs to go up a level or two to be great. Still young so has time on his side but I want to see him go forward more and hit the scoreboard. That's the main thing lacking from our midfield, scoring power. The best teams all have goalkicking mids, we rely too heavily on our key and mid size forwards (TMac,  Melksham, ANB, Hunt etc)

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    A gun. But i don't think he works as hard defensively as he should 

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    Getting on the scoreboard and kicking goals is one way to focus attention and step up to the next level. Increasing his kick to handball ratio as well will get more notice but if he is performing to the team instructions and game plan then I am content that he is doing his job.

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    2 hours ago, TheKozzieExperience said:

    Hes still only 22?  Wow.

    Great player but i want to see him kicking goals!   He has another level or two to go to

    Yes but remember Trac has gone into midfield just now and looks as though he will average about 2 a game He of course is 24 and just hitting his peak like Cripps 

    I now believe Clarry will gain status now that's Trac is in the midfield as they feed off each other That alone has got to make us a 2/3 goal better team!

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    He is so good we take it for granted. 28 touches is a shortened game playing a star. 
    im glad they are trying to develop him even further by giving him a tagging role 

    we are lucky to have him

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    3 hours ago, Demonland said:

     

    The Age rated him second best on the Ground, The Hun No Votes.

    I absorbed his game last week and Second only to Trac was easily a 2 vote game Max also telling but his domintaion also dropped of after half time

    From My perspective is an umpire I would have called it 

    3 Votes Trac

    2 votes Oliver

    1 Vote Weitering!

    I agree a criminally UNDERRATED PLAYER 

    What were the coaches Votes??

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    6 minutes ago, picket fence said:

    The Age rated him second best on the Ground, The Hun No Votes.

    I absorbed his game last week and Second only to Trac was easily a 2 vote game Max also telling but his domintaion also dropped of after half time

    From My perspective is an umpire I would have called it 

    3 Votes Trac

    2 votes Oliver

    1 Vote Weitering!

    I agree a criminally UNDERRATED PLAYER 

    What were the coaches Votes??

    10 Christian Petracca (MELB)
    8 Max Gawn (MELB)
    6 Jacob Weitering (CARL)
    3 Clayton Oliver (MELB)
    2 Sam Docherty (CARL)
    1 Christian Salem (MELB

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    Clarrie's a good player, not great. 

    He needs to become more damaging and he will once hethinks a bit more about his disposal. You can already see him size up options - much more than he has done previously but he still has a way to go to be considered like a Cripps, Dangerfield or Dusty..

     

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    56 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

    Clarrie's a good player, not great. 

    He needs to become more damaging and he will once hethinks a bit more about his disposal. You can already see him size up options - much more than he has done previously but he still has a way to go to be considered like a Cripps, Dangerfield or Dusty..

     

    Good player, give me a break

    Check out his stat comparison to Cripps and the media seem to think he’s a superstar! (Clarries stats are on the left)

    He’s one of ours and a lot of our supporters don’t give him much credit 

    22yo & he’s our best player along with Max

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    12 minutes ago, Billy said:

    Good player, give me a break

    Check out his stat comparison to Cripps and the media seem to think he’s a superstar! (Clarries stats are on the left)

    He’s one of ours and a lot of our supporters don’t give him much credit 

    22yo & he’s our best player along with Max

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    CASE CLOSED.. CLARRIE CHOO CHOO BETTER THAN CRIPPS!

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    Completely shut down Cripps on the weekend.

    But you won't hear that in the media because Cripps is a "Good bloke"...

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    3 hours ago, DubDee said:

    He is so good we take it for granted. 28 touches is a shortened game playing a star. 
    im glad they are trying to develop him even further by giving him a tagging role 

    we are lucky to have him

    Player                 K   H    D      M   HO   T   FF   FA   G  B   SC   Rat

    Patrick Cripps  11 10   21     5     0     2    2     3     1  2     8     77

    Clayton Oliver  12  16   28     5     0     5    1     1     0 0      0   101

     

    To me, that's more a draw between them.

    Cripps swung the game, & almost won it for the Blues.

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    Until he starts kicking more goals and chasing more, he should not be even close to being considered a superstar.

    A good player absolutely, and our best mid along side Trac, but superstar, no.

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    3 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

    Until he starts kicking more goals and chasing more, he should not be even close to being considered a superstar.

    A good player absolutely, and our best mid along side Trac, but superstar, no.

    Agree.

    When I think of superstars I think of Martin, Fyfes, Franklin's of the world.

    Oliver is not in that "superstar" category.....yet

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    4 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    Completely shut down Cripps on the weekend.

    But you won't hear that in the media because Cripps is a "Good bloke"...

    He did a great job, but if Cripps kicks straight he is the game winner. Oliver also had the advantage of a much better Ruckman.

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    I have re-watched the blues game a few times and it is notable that at stoppages, Cripps sought out Oliver to stand him a many times a Oliver went to Cripps. It is also notable that when Cripps got the ball, Oliver was right there with him tackling him or applying pressure. When Olive had the ball, Cripps was rarely in shot.

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    4 minutes ago, Watts the matter said:

    He did a great job, but if Cripps kicks straight he is the game winner. Oliver also had the advantage of a much better Ruckman.

    To be fair Oliver was not on him then They moved cripps forward presumably because  Oliver was giving him a hiding 

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    What Petracca did on the weekend marks out an AFL 'superstar' - demonstrating the physicality, determination and touch to observably bust through a scrum, collect the ball and accelerate out the other side of a pack. 

    What Oliver did on the weekend and every other weekend is to negotiate congestion and open space through deft touch. It's less noticeable, and often I'm left completely astounded by something he does that I only barely caught. 

    They don't show replays of those things. 

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