7 hours ago, Johnny Karate said:

There is a rot that has persisted with Goodwin as coach in the sense of being unable to stop the momentum of other teams for large periods. I doubt there’s another side in the league that looks as consistently ropey with a large lead. We got away with it on the weekend because Carlton did not have the weaponry to really make us pay. This is why supporters are frustrated and it is ultimately on Goodwin’s head that a cultural environment that allows such lapses continues to persist.

That said, on game day it is ultimately not Goodwin’s fault when the players stop tackling, slow to a crawl and make outrageously dumb decisions. He can’t get out on the field and do it for them. Unless he is as batscat crazy as some may think, it’s doubtful he’s telling the players to drop their intensity and standards.

Further, while there were some worrying signs and issues that seem to persist it is convenient for us to lump it in with our 2019 problems and the miasma of disappointment that has befallen the club since the 60’s. MFCSS 101. There’s plenty to work on as well as many valid concerns but there were plenty of other teams that played ordinary football this round, many of them being premiership fancies. A bigger 2020 sample size is needed. 

A good post. I would just add that I can recall very few teams which have made 7 changes, including 2 18yos and have won. I reckon the coaching staff have decided that this team rather than the team for R1 offers more for the year as a whole. There will be disappointments but from what we saw I’m not sure the coaching staff got it wrong.

and one other point. Carlton are not  a bad team. On paper I thought they would  win. Their players have played far more together, as a team, than ours  have 

13 hours ago, Rednblueriseing said:

Go missing for 3 quarter's  this week and we will loose by 10 goals.

 

Yep!! 

Edited June 15, 20204 yr by picket fence

49 minutes ago, Farmer said:

Mate, read what recently retired players, Lewis, Vince etc, or present assistant coaches say, notably that the players love playing for Goodwin

Actions speak louder than words.

Is this one of those we’re all being too negative so I’ll post any old positive garbage threads?

 

Carlton came out in social distance mode. I’ve rarely seen a worse quarter from any team. If anything we should’ve put 8 goals minimum on the board in the first quarter. If Goody gave Carlton their pre game rev up, then sure, great coaching. 

Unless we can beat teams in a shoot out, we’ll lose every week. We’re too easy to score against, and no team will ever give us a 7 goal head start again. 

Reckon the OP was written by one of Goodwins kids.

 

Todays learnings are......

Your old man cant coach footy.

 

Sorry.

 

3 hours ago, ding said:

Reckon the OP was written by one of Goodwins kids.

 

Todays learnings are......

Your old man cant coach footy.

 

Sorry.

 

That’s unkind.

8 hours ago, Farmer said:

A good post. I would just add that I can recall very few teams which have made 7 changes, including 2 18yos and have won. I reckon the coaching staff have decided that this team rather than the team for R1 offers more for the year as a whole. There will be disappointments but from what we saw I’m not sure the coaching staff got it wrong.

and one other point. Carlton are not  a bad team. On paper I thought they would  win. Their players have played far more together, as a team, than ours  have 

Good balanced article and response.

I too am bullish ie half glass full rather than empty.

Too be honest this R2 team was in excess of R1 in ability and that's one thing I believe our list has if not in spades but spread over the ground and even now in depth with little injuries other than Petty who I rate as top 32/33 footballers.

BUT our consistently inconsistent mental ( that's what I feel are the main reasons for big very good/very bad differences ) or brain fades Costing multiple successive goals are a worry as alluded to above.

This must be eradicated by strong ground leadership plus even more aggressive on field changes to give the team tweaks and positional and playing options to reassume control.

Surely Alan Richardson can see this and play his part here as Goody is Star struck  and motionless with tactics and personnel switches.

Lets see what sort of ride we get and keep in mind that there are a big no. Of youngsters and new players to gel as early as possible which means most of the team stalwarts must stand up in this transition stage.

Thank goodness for Trac who is looking a much more confident and complete player ready to start owning the fortunes of our team. His interview on our website also majorly impressed me as him being in a fantastic space and ready to inspire and lead us to some real achievement as soon as possible.

Lets get behind him and the other pacemakers. 

 

15 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

It's the clearances and stoppages where we fell apart.

As Supermercado says above when they didn't get the ball we were unstoppable.

We keep being talked about as a great stoppage team, but we aren't.  I think back to 2019 and round 1 this year when West Coast would just waltz away with the ball from clearances without any of our players within about five metres of them,

I think Gawn is a little bit to blame as he keeps knocking the ball to the same spots, never punches it forward or makes things unpredictable.

This makes the decision the move Harmes from the midfield all the more perplexing because it isn't as strong as people think. We probably should have also looked at another midfielder with pick 3 instead of Jackson (who I'm sure will be good for us), but that's another story.

?? Shldve selected Green.  Guy will be a cracker a la Clarry and we passed him over.   This club has issues

9 hours ago, Farmer said:

Mate, read what recently retired players, Lewis, Vince etc, or present assistant coaches say, notably that the players love playing for Goodwin

Not doubting you but love to see what was written, and especially the context.

21 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

?? Shldve selected Green.  Guy will be a cracker a la Clarry and we passed him over.   This club has issues

We couldn’t have got Green - as a GWS Academy player, the Giants were always going to take him, even if their hand was forced by us bidding on him.

15 hours ago, Farmer said:

A good post. I would just add that I can recall very few teams which have made 7 changes, including 2 18yos and have won. I reckon the coaching staff have decided that this team rather than the team for R1 offers more for the year as a whole. There will be disappointments but from what we saw I’m not sure the coaching staff got it wrong.

Some, or many here,  think we are ready to the AFL by storm,  because we went so well late in 2018.  Even though everything worked for us back at the time.

Since then,  teams are paying us much more attention.

 

We are not ready yet,  and weren't at that time.  We caught some teams off-guard.

But we are improving, which cannot be seen by the ladder position and not truly even with displayed form... but by knowledgeable eyes watching our talents individually play.

 

Its the new players with better skills coming thru that is the real growth,  as the old Gen players will only take us so far.  -Tomlinson and Langdon are brought in to fill a hole in our abilities, filling an immediate need. 

This will help us be more competitive,  and to be able to defend better,  compared to last year.  The 2 way running is key to this competitiveness.

 

So we need to draft this year,  quality wingers.

 

And we must discipline our Big Name young Mids to gut run more,  as our defensive support from our Midfield is piza-weak.

Some of our kids have been getting away with being slack.  And that puts pressure on our defenders,  and also when it occurs in our F50,  puts the midfield under the pump,  which flows to defence.

The whole thing breaks down thru lack of responsibility.   Defencive running responsibility

Edited June 16, 20204 yr by MyFavouriteMartian

6 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

?? Shldve selected Green.  Guy will be a cracker a la Clarry and we passed him over.   This club has issues

We don't need any more one dimensional inside mids. Green is - and will be - a good extractor. But we aren't exactly deficient in that area. I was always on the fence about drafting Jackson, but I see the merit in it. Green, not so much. We need speed around stoppages, not more extractors who become a weakness when they don't have the football. 

On 6/15/2020 at 11:15 AM, Redleg said:

Someone forgot to tell Nev though. That kick with a minute to go was diabolical.

Nev has credits in the bank. He shinned it but we still got the ball.

I think that is a reflection of our system in tight games. Get players in the right spots. Look at Hunt who played forward pocket all night. He was everywhere in the last minute. I don't think he was breaking team rules, i'm guessing that he was well coached.

21 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

It's the clearances and stoppages where we fell apart.

As Supermercado says above when they didn't get the ball we were unstoppable.

We keep being talked about as a great stoppage team, but we aren't.  I think back to 2019 and round 1 this year when West Coast would just waltz away with the ball from clearances without any of our players within about five metres of them,

I think Gawn is a little bit to blame as he keeps knocking the ball to the same spots, never punches it forward or makes things unpredictable.

This makes the decision the move Harmes from the midfield all the more perplexing because it isn't as strong as people think. We probably should have also looked at another midfielder with pick 3 instead of Jackson (who I'm sure will be good for us), but that's another story.

I wouldn't be too upset if we lost 70% of the clearances if we could actually make sure the opposition doesn't win them cleanly and with free runners going forward and were forced to hack kicks under pressure or turn the ball over.

That's pretty much Richmond's game plan.

Unfortunately we are acting like it's still 2016 and trying to play the territory game with a group of slow big bodied midfielders.

Funny you mention Jackson, if we develop him properly he'll be a weapon at ground level and help us play the kind of accountable footy around a clearance that we should be playing. I hope Gawn has plenty left but he'll always be struggling to keep up with the little guys at the centre bounces.

3 minutes ago, KingDingAling said:

We don't need any more one dimensional inside mids. Green is - and will be - a good extractor. But we aren't exactly deficient in that area. I was always on the fence about drafting Jackson, but I see the merit in it. Green, not so much. We need speed around stoppages, not more extractors who become a weakness when they don't have the football. 

HB could come in handy...

What I don't get is our pressure was great in the first quarter, and fair enough the other side lifts and wins more of the ball, but where does the tackling pressure go ?

22 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

It's the clearances and stoppages where we fell apart.

As Supermercado says above when they didn't get the ball we were unstoppable.

We keep being talked about as a great stoppage team, but we aren't.  I think back to 2019 and round 1 this year when West Coast would just waltz away with the ball from clearances without any of our players within about five metres of them,

I think Gawn is a little bit to blame as he keeps knocking the ball to the same spots, never punches it forward or makes things unpredictable.

This makes the decision the move Harmes from the midfield all the more perplexing because it isn't as strong as people think. We probably should have also looked at another midfielder with pick 3 instead of Jackson (who I'm sure will be good for us), but that's another story.

stoppages are what 2020 seems to be about soif you are right we are in trouble.

Norf beat GWS one of the best outside midfields we have seen by stoppages, playing the boundary and scragging.

16 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I wouldn't be too upset if we lost 70% of the clearances if we could actually make sure the opposition doesn't win them cleanly and with free runners going forward and were forced to hack kicks under pressure or turn the ball over.

That's pretty much Richmond's game plan.

Unfortunately we are acting like it's still 2016 and trying to play the territory game with a group of slow big bodied midfielders.

Funny you mention Jackson, if we develop him properly he'll be a weapon at ground level and help us play the kind of accountable footy around a clearance that we should be playing. I hope Gawn has plenty left but he'll always be struggling to keep up with the little guys at the centre bounces.

I wouldn't be upset if we kicked 70 per cent behinds as long as we win.

16 hours ago, Farmer said:

Mate, read what recently retired players, Lewis, Vince etc, or present assistant coaches say, notably that the players love playing for Goodwin

How do you know that?

When was the last time players came out and said  that this guy cannot coach.

The second language of the AFL is lying.

Coaches always say  their players are capable of winning games then at seasons end they delist 10.

Players  always say they love playing for coach then when he is sacked the comments come out to the contrary.
who knows they might love him but how would we know?

 

Just now, old dee said:

How do you know that?

When was the last time players came out and said  that this guy cannot coach.

The second language of the AFL is lying.

Coaches always say  their players are capable of winning games then at seasons end they delist 10.

Players  always say they love playing for coach then when he is sacked the comments come out to the contrary.
who knows they might love him but how would we know?

 

The number of players that come to Melbourne now because of Goody speaks volumes.

10 minutes ago, loges said:

What I don't get is our pressure was great in the first quarter, and fair enough the other side lifts and wins more of the ball, but where does the tackling pressure go ?

We relax and get comfy.   And let the other team back-in and find momentum.

1 minute ago, Wrecker45 said:

The number of players that come to Melbourne now because of Goody speaks volumes.

How do you know they came because of him?

Could be we offered a bigger salary.

 

2 minutes ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

We relax and get comfy.   And let the other team back-in and find momentum.

Which there is absolutely no excuse for.

34 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

Nev has credits in the bank.

That could turn out to be a problem going forward, if we are going to give games to guys who are out of form, or even past it.

Nev's last 2 games have been poor and he looks very slow.

Not saying he is past it, but he is certainly past his best footy.

But he wasn't alone on saturday, with a number of our players playing very poorly.

Edited June 16, 20204 yr by Redleg

1 minute ago, loges said:

Which there is absolutely no excuse for.

And that IS another reason we have to bring other young Mids into positions in our midfield, because it mostly them that go off boil.  When we have a number of players who can come into prime midfield positions, the name-mids will have to pull their weight,  both ways,  or be dropped.

 

And more reason for Harmes to be in defence.   To allow room for the kids,   and for Tracca.