17 hours ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

Take Oli out of the ruck and put Brayshaw into the spot.  

Play Brayshaw into form,  and see which way we go from there.  See what works best for us.

 

Keep Viney inside the mids.  And bring some other players thru the midfield to try them out,  one at a time.

Time to send the kids back,  and bring Chunk in,  and maybe JJordan.

MUch to some people's joy , it seems it is too late to trade Angus Brayshaw. He has gone already (that is probably why he was "missing"(according to some people yesterday. He was busy poling votes for Dockers in their win against Crows ( The Age). Do not know how he got back to MCG so quickly from Adelaide.

trade viney

Delete Jones, Jetta, Hibberd, Kolodshnij, Sparrow, C.Wagner, J.Wagner, Neitsche, Preuss, Viney and Brayshaw. Keep Weid , no Daniher. Play Smith and May forward. Develop players like Baker,O'Mac etc.  Promote Bradkte .Getting rid of Hunt would be like us getting rid of Kent who is playing well for the saints.

On 6/28/2020 at 3:01 PM, spirit of norm smith said:

With the covid 19 tight financial impact, I think AFL lists would be cut to 40 by start of 2021 (37 + 3 rookies)  
 

Gawn (c) Viney (VC) Oliver. Petracca. May. Harmes. Brayshaw. Melksham. Fritsch. Jetta. Lever. Langdon. Tomlinson. Salem. Tmcd. 

Preuss  Hannan Hore Hibberd Lockhart 

Injury queries - 2020 a must year - J.Smith# Vandenburg# Bennell# 

Developing - Petty Sparrow Bedford Jackson Pickett  Rivers Jordan Nietschke (r)

Hold onto  (but need to show more) - Weideman   omcd  hunt  Brown 

(35)

trade - ANB 

likely retire - Jones

Likely delist. KK. Dunkley Spargo. Cwagner. Baker JWagner. Chandler.  Bradtke  

Add 5 more (3 main list + 2 rookies)

No change 

I have a vibe on a couple of exits at seasons end, be them driven by the club, player or both.

I can see both Macdonalds but more than likely Tom move on at seasons end. There seems to be very little joy for him in the act of playing at the moment, and pragmatically contributes a little to how the team plays.

I also see parallels  between Brayshaw and Chip Frawley, both essentially being played out of position for the entire year before exiting the club. For me, Chip was never going to be a forward and presumably the logic was to get 20 odd games into a defensive unit without him. 

Not dissimilar to Brayshaw not 'really' being part of the midfield mix going forward, and that being tested out during this season.

Tom and Oscar can go to the Suns in exchange for Brayden Fiorini and a 3rd round pick 

I think Joel Smith will look elsewhere.  Kangas? Swap for ?? Mason Wood??   My option for a swap is young 21yo Tom Murphy.  Murphy would be a good replacement as a mid size rebound defender and can assume a Hibberd style role.  His skills and intensity are good. Not quite cracking a game for Kangas. 

DELIST

Hunt

Hannan

OMac

Smith

CWagner

JWagner

RETIRE
Jones

Kolodjashnij

TRADE/Never play in the seniors again

ANB

vandenberg

Baker (poor mans hunt)

Brayshaw - has currency (hello freo) and allows changes to our 1 dimensional midfield

TARGETS

Zac Williams -FA desperately need run and kicking

Witherden - couldn't crack brisbane's side until recently has elite disposal

2 metre Peter Wright - also cant get a game and could be an elite goal square player for us

Cockatoo - we've fixed Bennell why couldn't we do the same here, elite pressure forward when fit

Cedric Cox - cant crack a brisbane side too but has potential as a small forward would come cheaply

Cumming - looked the goods pre season at GWS lots of competition for places they probably let him walk

Papley - probably too expensive

 

2021 List

Key Defenders: May, Lever, Hore, Petty, T McDonald

General Def: Lockhart, Hibberd, Jetta, Rivers, Salem, Neitschke (A?), Witherden/Cumming, Williams

Midfielders: Oliver, Viney, Petracca, Harmes, Sparrow, Jordon, Langdon, Tomlinson, Dunkley (A)

Rucks: Gawn, Preuss/merry-go-round (CCJ?), Jackson, Bradkte (B)

General Fwd: Fritsch, Melksham, Bedford, Pickett, Bennell, Spargo, Cox/Cockatoo

Key Forwards: Weideman, Wright, Brown (A)

=36 players pre draft 

 

Edited August 4, 20205 yr by Turner

13 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

I think Joel Smith will look elsewhere.  Kangas? Swap for ?? Mason Wood??   My option for a swap is young 21yo Tom Murphy.  Murphy would be a good replacement as a mid size rebound defender and can assume a Hibberd style role.  His skills and intensity are good. Not quite cracking a game for Kangas. 

Rivers has the Hibbered role sewn up.

If he can't quite crack it at North Melbourne then why on earth would we target him? Last bloke we targeted that couldn't get at gig at North Melbourne is currently with us who also is struggling to crack in our ones also.

Looking at his stats he last played against St Kilda back in round one and had 7 disposals 0 marks and 2 tackles from 80% game time.

No more list cloggers thanks.

If we lose tomorrow night, this thread will want 90% of our list traded or delisted.

2 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Tom and Oscar can go to the Suns in exchange for Brayden Fiorini and a 3rd round pick 

Another slow inside mid? 

3 minutes ago, Watts the matter said:

Another slow inside mid? 

Sorry I had Fiorini as an outside mid. Wing. Running up and down the wing at the G.  I’ll watch the next suns game more closely. 

On 7/2/2020 at 1:17 PM, spirit of norm smith said:

Salem-Hibberd-Rivers. HBF pretty well covered.  

Salem has had a very ordinary year by his standards

He will need to improve his offence

6 hours ago, Kent said:

Salem has had a very ordinary year by his standards

He will need to improve his offence

I've noticed that Salem does not have the extra space and time that he was allowed in previous years. Opposition coaches are making an impact.

On 7/5/2020 at 8:12 PM, Half forward flank said:

More like. Who would you not consider trading?

Those producing positive results - Hogan, Watts, Frosty, Kent, King, Stephan Martin, perhaps?

KEEP:

• may
• salem
• petracca
• jackson
• lever
• gawn
• oliver
• hibberd
• langdon
• melksham
• hannan
• tomlinson
• vandenberg
• jordan
• rivers
• weideman
• sparrow
• petty
• pickett
• lockhart

TRADE / RELEASE TO FREE AGENCY OPTIONS:

• harmes
• viney
• brayshaw
• preuss
• t mac
• o mac
• anb
• fritsch
• smith

LIKELY DELIST / RETIRE:

• jones
• spargo
• bedford
• kolodjashnij
• neitschke
• hunt
• baker
• hore
• chandler
• brown
• jetta
• c wagner
• j wagner
• bradtke
• dunkley

obviously not all on the trade / release will leave - for instance if you trade brayshaw (likeliest option) then you'd ideally keep harmes and viney; the former would be unlikely to leave having just signed a new five year (!!) deal earlier this year, and now of course - as per most mfc players - his form line has flatlined

fritsch is out of contract and still hasn't signed a new one; would another club be interested in him and be prepared to pay 'overs'?

luke jackson will, undoubtedly, have the proverbial truck backed up to him by meth coke and freo over the next few years - could one of them come with an offer too good to refuse at the end of this season?

im anti trading Viney.. he ha smore competitive spirit in his little finget than some on our list. I see a lot of people saying you wont get much for Angus Brayshaw.. i think clubs will pay for him. Cartlon would absolutely love him, another inside body to compliment Cripps..

 

I watched the Semi against Geelong last night.. the difference in the way we are playing is so stark and there are 4 main people who the flow on affect has been huge:

Tom Mc - not a shadow of his shadow

Brayshaw - no longer a threat anywhere

Jetta - sadly father time has called

Melksham - Not getting enough out of him as a senior player

TRADE: HARMES, FUTURE FIRST ROUND PICK, VANDENBERG AND PREUSS FOR PAPLEY

TRADE: 2ND ROUND PICK FOR PHILLIPS

B: LOCKHART, MAY, LEVER

HB: SALEM, T.MCDONALD, HIBBERD

C : LANGDON, PETRACCA, PHILLIPS

HF: MELKSHAM, JACKSON, FRITSCH

F: PAPLEY, WEIDEMAN, PICKETT

IC: BRAYSHAW, SPARROW, HANNAN, RIVERS

 

RESERVES

B: CHANDLER, SMITH, NEITSCHKE

HB: HORE, TOMLINSON, DRAFT PICK

C : BAKER, DRAFT PICK, DUNKLEY

HF: NEAL-BULLEN, PETTY, BENNELL

F: SPARGO, DRAFT PICK, BEDFORD

FOLL: BRADTKE, DRAFT PICK, JORDON

IC: DRAFT PICK, DRAFT PICK, DRAFT PICK, DRAFT PICK

 

DELIST: JONES, KOLODJASHNIJ, O.MCDONALD, HUNT, BROWN, JETTA, C,WAGNER, J.WAGNER 

1 hour ago, WERRIDEE said:

TRADE: HARMES, FUTURE FIRST ROUND PICK, VANDENBERG AND PREUSS FOR PAPLEY

TRADE: 2ND ROUND PICK FOR PHILLIPS

B: LOCKHART, MAY, LEVER

HB: SALEM, T.MCDONALD, HIBBERD

C : LANGDON, PETRACCA, PHILLIPS

HF: MELKSHAM, JACKSON, FRITSCH

F: PAPLEY, WEIDEMAN, PICKETT

IC: BRAYSHAW, SPARROW, HANNAN, RIVERS

 

RESERVES

B: CHANDLER, SMITH, NEITSCHKE

HB: HORE, TOMLINSON, DRAFT PICK

C : BAKER, DRAFT PICK, DUNKLEY

HF: NEAL-BULLEN, PETTY, BENNELL

F: SPARGO, DRAFT PICK, BEDFORD

FOLL: BRADTKE, DRAFT PICK, JORDON

IC: DRAFT PICK, DRAFT PICK, DRAFT PICK, DRAFT PICK

 

DELIST: JONES, KOLODJASHNIJ, O.MCDONALD, HUNT, BROWN, JETTA, C,WAGNER, J.WAGNER 

Oliver’s a bit unlucky not to make your team. ?

1 hour ago, Males said:

Oliver’s a bit unlucky not to make your team. ?

Woops I forgot the followers 

FOLL: GAWN, OLIVER, VINEY

TRADES : GRAB WILLIAMS AS A FREE AGENT

B: LOCKHART(PROMOTE), MAY, LEVER

HB: SALEM, TOMLINSON, HIBBERD

C : LANGDON, PETRACCA, WILLIAMS(FA)

HF: MELKSHAM, JACKSON, FRITSCH

F: BENNELL(SECOND YEAR ROOKIE), WEIDEMAN, PICKETT

FOLL: GAWN, OLIVER, VINEY

IC: BRAYSHAW, SPARROW, HARMES, RIVERS

 

RESERVES

B:JETTA, SMITH, NEITSCHKE(ROOKIE)

HB: HORE, PICK 23, CHANDLER(THIRD YEAR ROOKIE)

C : BAKER, NEAL-BULLEN, KOLODJASHNIJ(ROOKIE)

HF: SPARGO, PETTY, HANNAN

F: BEDFORD, T.MCDONALD, BRADTKE(CATEGORY A ROOKIE THIRD YEAR)

FOLL: PREUSS, VANDENBERG, JORDON

IC: PICK 46, PICK 60, PICK 61, ROOKIE R1 PICK

 

DELIST : J.WAGNER, C.WAGNER, JONES, HUNT, DUNKLEY, BROWN, O.MCDONALD

You could make some fascinating info graphics showing the correlation between insane trade ideas and losing a game from this thread 

Some of the Brayshaw comments are hilarious 

32 minutes ago, Smokey said:

You could make some fascinating info graphics showing the correlation between insane trade ideas and losing a game from this thread 

Some of the Brayshaw comments are hilarious 

Most reactionary tripe you'll ever read. 

Great year to have a long term injury, Hore Petty Neitschke watching on as everyone else plays themselves out of a new contract around them

On 6/28/2020 at 3:01 PM, spirit of norm smith said:

With the covid 19 tight financial impact, I think AFL lists would be cut to 40 by start of 2021 (37 + 3 rookies)  
 

A grade Gawn (c) Trac May

Cavalry-  Viney (VC) Oliver. Langdon. Brayshaw. Lever. Tomlinson. Salem.  Weideman. Hibberd.
Foot soldiers- Harmes. Bennell. Brown. Melksham. Hannan. Hore Lockhart. Vandenburg Spargo Fritsch 
That’s 22  

Developing -8- Petty Sparrow Bedford Jackson Pickett  Rivers Jordan Nietschke (r)

thats 30

15 off  , YES 15

trade - 4- ANB  Preuss JoelSmith Hunt

likely retire -2- Jones Jetta 

Likely delist. 9- KK. Dunkley Cwagner. OMac  Tmac Baker JWagner. Chandler.  Bradtke  

Add 10more (8main list + 2 rookies) list of 40

After last night