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Rd 01: Weideman vs Jackson

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Weideman vs Jackson 123 members have voted

  1. 1. R1 Backup Ruckman

    • Sam Weideman
      80
    • Luke Jackson
      37

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48 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

It doesn’t matter if Weid is in the ruck or forward he was drafted to take marks.

I was told a few years back by Macca that he is the biggest asset on our list because he can take marks at the peak of his leap with height and outstretched arms so could break opposition zones.

Problem is he can’t take a mark. He no longer has the excuse of being out muscled. He has been on the list long enough and spent more than enough time in the gym to build the required strength.

I hate bagging Melbourne players but the kid is Brent Grgic number 2. All false reputation no AFL ability.

Well that’s a fair old sledge Wrecker. I remember watching Grgic and occasionally he would do something to show he had a special talent. Ended up being a poor mans Jack Watts. 
To continue the analogy, and Sam isn’t there yet, but he is trending towards a David Cordner trajectory. Brilliant genes and family history, can look a million dollars on the odd occasion but overall disappointing. 

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    17 minutes ago, FarNorthernD said:

    Well that’s a fair old sledge Wrecker. I remember watching Grgic and occasionally he would do something to show he had a special talent. Ended up being a poor mans Jack Watts. 
    To continue the analogy, and Sam isn’t there yet, but he is trending towards a David Cordner trajectory. Brilliant genes and family history, can look a million dollars on the odd occasion but overall disappointing. 

    I Had A Grgic Poster On My Wall...Back in 2000 or so. It was the only fold Out I could Find while decorating My Teenage Bedroom In an excited state. Mate Still teases me about It occasionaly 

     

     

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    25 minutes ago, FarNorthernD said:

    Well that’s a fair old sledge Wrecker. I remember watching Grgic and occasionally he would do something to show he had a special talent. Ended up being a poor mans Jack Watts. 
    To continue the analogy, and Sam isn’t there yet, but he is trending towards a David Cordner trajectory. Brilliant genes and family history, can look a million dollars on the odd occasion but overall disappointing. 

    Strangely I was thinking David Cordner this morning before I came on the site. Always got hands on the ball rarely held the mark.

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    On 3/6/2020 at 10:30 PM, WERRIDEE said:

    Neither just have McDonald back up ruck he's doing nothing up forward. Weid drops too many marks and Jackson is too raw.

    Economical, logical, straight-forward.

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    Jackson isn’t ready from what I have seen. Weideman is not guaranteed a spot either but Jackson is doing things that raw talents do and a mature club with a set team and an idea on how to develop players wouldn’t play him unless forced to through injuries.

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    2 hours ago, John Demonic said:

    Massively important Perth game...lets just make sure we take Fritta this time :laugh:

     

    The club will obviously do its due diligence and discuss extensively at team selection over the next fortnight whether we select Fritsch for round 1.

    As for Weid, I can’t see how he doesn’t play round 1 given we’ve got no other option to back up Gawn.

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    11 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

    The club will obviously do its due diligence and discuss extensively at team selection over the next fortnight whether we select Fritsch for round 1.

    As for Weid, I can’t see how he doesn’t play round 1 given we’ve got no other option to back up Gawn.

    I have said this elsewhere I think the Weid has the potential to be a good ruckman. As KPF I seriously doubt it.

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    I honestly think Tmac is the one who should be feeling the heat atm. Has shown little in the preseason games. Certainly looking rusty.

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    I'm not sure Weid or Jackson warrant a spot for round 1.

    If we think TMac can pinch-hit and our forward line will cope with smaller types, then I'd just go with a more mobile setup. Fritsch released to the forward line and Melksham fit and firing makes it a palatable option.

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    5 hours ago, rpfc said:

    Jackson isn’t ready from what I have seen. Weideman is not guaranteed a spot either but Jackson is doing things that raw talents do and a mature club with a set team and an idea on how to develop players wouldn’t play him unless forced to through injuries.

    Agree 100%, mate.

    I thought Jackson gave us a small glimpse of how quickly he could improve on Friday night.  I thought he was way off the pace in the third term, which is no surprise at all, but then he really got better in the last and showed his great athleticism and appetite for the contest with his second and third efforts around the ball.

    I'm firmly in the Weideman camp for Round 1 as he has the bigger body and more experience, but he better not get too comfortable, as LJ could very quickly work his way into the side if Weid's form is sub-par.

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    1 hour ago, Clint Bizkit said:

    In the game day thread I made an off-the-cuff comment that Weideman is our new Brad Miller, but I’m starting to believe it more.

    So Oracle, is this a good thing or a bad thing?  You haven't exactly made that clear.

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    I’d go really small and quick against West Coast. Our forward line looked the best it has in a long time when Melk and Frit we’re isolated up there with the ball coming in quick. The game plan needs to revolve around that, not trying to find the ‘right’ big man to be there when we bomb it in (Wet Toast’s backline will towel us up if your entry looks anything like that).

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    48 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

    So Oracle, is this a good thing or a bad thing?  You haven't exactly made that clear.

    If he ends up as good as Miller I will be happy! 

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    I thought coming into this season, Weid was the player who needed to make the most improvement (from last season) and I think him going into ruck, is not helping that.
    I'd rather see McDonald play as a back up ruck and leave Weid to roam the forward, instill some confidence in him, because if he can start clunking them, that's a massive asset that we didn't have last year.
    Jackson - leave him at Casey for the better part of this year and as others have said, bring him in late in the season for some game experience. Ready to fire big in 2021.
    With the access we can have to the goals now with Fritsch, Melksham, Brown, Kozzy, Petracca, etc.. I don't think the future is with McDonald (especially with his form since the end of 2018). It's Jackson and especially Weid, so I'd rather see him running down there, than McDonald.   

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    On 3/8/2020 at 7:09 AM, Wrecker45 said:

    It doesn’t matter if Weid is in the ruck or forward he was drafted to take marks.

    I was told a few years back by Macca that he is the biggest asset on our list because he can take marks at the peak of his leap with height and outstretched arms so could break opposition zones.

    Problem is he can’t take a mark. He no longer has the excuse of being out muscled. He has been on the list long enough and spent more than enough time in the gym to build the required strength.

    I hate bagging Melbourne players but the kid is Brent Grgic number 2. All false reputation no AFL ability.

    He attacks the ball with intent. That was what impressed me about him early on.

    But his inability to one-grab his marks is becoming a worry.

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    1 hour ago, The Jackson 6 said:

    I’d go really small and quick against West Coast. Our forward line looked the best it has in a long time when Melk and Frit we’re isolated up there with the ball coming in quick. The game plan needs to revolve around that, not trying to find the ‘right’ big man to be there when we bomb it in (Wet Toast’s backline will towel us up if your entry looks anything like that).

    the problem is with no TMac or Weideman, or any big forwards in the team, is that Fritsch and Melk get a couple of big defenders on them, then they'll actually get rag dolled 1v1 in the contest and the defence will be all over them dropping players back in the hole to stop the lead up as well. then how many goals are they going to kick? 

    better to have a balanced forward line of all sizes imo. the Hawks went very tall in defence which held TMac and Weideman, but allowed our smaller forwards to get on top. but maybe another week a team might look to go with a smaller defence to counter Fritsch and Melks influence, then TMac and Weideman can then be the ones who get on top of their opponents. 

     

     

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    On 3/8/2020 at 9:08 AM, John Demonic said:

    Massively important Perth game...lets just make sure we take Fritta this time :laugh:

     

    ...... AND play him forward. 

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    On 3/8/2020 at 9:05 AM, FarNorthernD said:

    Well that’s a fair old sledge Wrecker. I remember watching Grgic and occasionally he would do something to show he had a special talent. Ended up being a poor mans Jack Watts. 
    To continue the analogy, and Sam isn’t there yet, but he is trending towards a David Cordner trajectory. Brilliant genes and family history, can look a million dollars on the odd occasion but overall disappointing. 

    SHHH

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    9 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

    My other take is I think he could be a better defender than forward.

    Weid and/or TMAC dropping back into defence... Lever and/or May forward clunking everything. At this point we may as well just rotate all KPF and KPD around all game :laugh: 

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    On 3/6/2020 at 11:33 PM, DeeSpencer said:

    Really not sure if we go with 2 or 3 talls.

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    On 3/6/2020 at 11:33 PM, DeeSpencer said:

    Tom McDonald has to be in the side but he's looked very rusty. Does putting him the ruck help his game?

    I'm far from a Brown fan but he does at least lead up and draw the ball towards him.     Doubt he can or will want to do anything in the ruck.

    Weideman doesn't get his hand on many hit outs but he can be useful at ground level and around the ground he's at least getting hands to the marks which means he's not being out marked!

    The 2 Talls,  and Brown.   The mobile Claytons tall,  perfect high forward at CHF,  to add to Tomlinson and Gawn thru the mid section.  Plenty of marking and running power across the Midfield.   Allowing both TMc and Weide to control inside 60Mtrs.

     

    https://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/556016/weideman-eyeing-a-consistent-2020-season

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