Jack Viney a Liability?

[Sargent Shultz 267]

21 hours ago, Bring Back Barassi said:

Sydney Stack bump.

Nuf said

i think Stack's day of reckoning is coming, its easy to line up a player on his blind side, who only has eyes for the ball, and deliver a bump that was bordering on reportable. Viney will back into a pack everday of the year- look me up when Stack does the same

[Sargent Shultz 267]

 

[Sargent Shultz 267]

he goes alright for a small mid IMO - if half our players had Jacks intensity we would definetly be holding the cup this year

[dazzledavey36 54,889]

15 minutes ago, Sargent Shultz said:

i think Stack's day of reckoning is coming, its easy to line up a player on his blind side, who only has eyes for the ball, and deliver a bump that was bordering on reportable. Viney will back into a pack everday of the year- look me up when Stack does the same

 Ohh Rubbish, it was a fair hit and it was good to see a decent bump back in our game. If Viney had done the exact same thing you'd be on your knees bowing to him saying what perfection it was.

Want to see more of this in our game.

Edited March 3, 2020 by dazzledavey36

[Demon trucker 1,800]

10 hours ago, JakovichScissorKick said:

Jack Viney is not 'treacle slow'.  In fact hes not even slow.  In fact he actually has some zip.is quick

The Roar should pack it up and call it a day.

A Viney with 2 good feet is quick, but don't you know? anyone who plays at Melbourne is 30% slow then the average AFL player, that myth is true to many posters on this site.

[Demon trucker 1,800]

18 minutes ago, Sargent Shultz said:

i think Stack's day of reckoning is coming, its easy to line up a player on his blind side, who only has eyes for the ball, and deliver a bump that was bordering on reportable. Viney will back into a pack everday of tsaidhe year- look me up when Stack does the same 

Don't worry I said it once and I will say it again, all the Viney haters will eat their own sh@t about Jack, and when they start jumping on the Viney bandwagon I won't forget them and remind them, then they will know my name.

[Demons1858 1,760]

As a supporter group and football department historically we really treat out captains poorly. Actually makes me quite angry. The captains sacrifice so much of their time for the club on and off the field taking them away from partners and family. Jack is getting back from a serious foot injury its got nothing to do with his ability. He could easily play defence, attacking or defensive mid, forward pressure role. But he has the ability to lead by example and drag the team along as he did in the 2018 finals against Geel and Hawt while still carrying an injury. To win finals you need players with aggression at the player as well as the ball

Edited March 3, 2020 by Demons1858

[dworship 3,342]

1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

Mate, seriously. From the article I linked for you, then quoted for you:

"And while James Harmes (59 per cent retention), Tom McDonald (57), and Christian Petracca (48) have been sharper than most kicking the ball to forward targets, it’s been more problematic when hard nuts Angus Brayshaw (33) Clayton Oliver (30) and Viney (24) have been in possession.  Apologies yes you did post that earlier

And we're talking about kicking inside 50, so you're point "Harmes, Petracca and Melksham received from Viney, Oliver and Brayshaw" doesn't make any sense. We're judging the delivery inside 50.

Sorry wasn't clear enough, what I'm saying is: more often than not Viney, Oliver and Brayshaw are the contested ball winners out of the congestion. They feed the likes of Harmes, Petracca and Melksham in space who deliver the ball into F50 under less pressure and therefore more accurately. When Viney, Oliver and Brayshaw cannot find that outlet they are forced to take lower percentage options into the dysfunctional forward line and the delivery and therefore retention suffered. The additions of Langdon and Tomlinson will help this season in providing more/better options.

I'm not sure what makes you think that in the second half of the year, where we won less games than the first, we suddenly drastically improved our inside 50 kicking. Not sure how many more facts and sources I can provide before you get it, or if you're just being deliberately obtuse now.

I didn't assume that at all (I'll leave that up to you). You and I don't  know what the stats were for the second half of the season so it's difficult to know if a certain player (JV) has tried to remedy his problem or even got worse.

 

[Undeeterred 3,123]

13 hours ago, Demon3 said:

I find it interesting that Jack has become some sort of whipping boy. Others have suffered injuries and been given the luxury of not being questioned on everything they do on return. Jack had serious foot injuries, its going to impact. To call him a liability is just sensationalist to say the least.

Jack was never particularly quick. Jack was never an amazing kick. Jack is a competitor, he has a drive that others lack he is fierce at the contest.  Leadership may not be his strong suit, but i saw him lead unbelievably in out 2 finals wins coming off little prep and game time. Let 's just let him play and watch him go. Our team is better with Jack Viney in it.

We've finally got rid of all the others. Except Oscy. We'll always have Oscy.

[Dame Gaga 2,453]

No disrespect to Simon for starting this discussion, but I can't believe we are giving time and air to this negative article by Cameron Rose who calls himself an expert and even says himself he will argue with anyone who doesn't agree with him. I had to look up this Roar to see where this opinion piece came from, having never read this AFL site. He's a Richmond supporter. I think we can ignore his opinions now. 

[Pennant St Dee 13,173]

22 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

I recall that win we had against WC in Perrh back in 2017 when we were serverly undermanned with our on ball brigade and a gut busting effort from Jack Viney won us so much ball at the stoppages and around the ground through shear grunt work that kept us in the game until Pederson and T Mac's last quarter, last minute heroics finally got us over the line over there.

I don't mind that kind of one dimensionalisim - just keep forging on forward.  When he is fit, Jack is an absolute bull and particularly if we have a midfield of other fit bulls like Trac, Oliver, Brayshaw, AVB, Jones, Harems etc, there will be no stopping them.

Well said

I'm actually laughing at some of the comments on here from some who shouldn't surprise. 

They forget how important he is when fit and the impact he has.

No more important player in the 2018 finals who stood up when needed.

He's played that way bleeding for the jumper since Round 1, 2013

I anticipate if the clear run he's had this pre season continues he will prove a lot of people wrong.

[drysdale demon 4,832]

9 hours ago, Dame Gaga said:

No disrespect to Simon for starting this discussion, but I can't believe we are giving time and air to this negative article by Cameron Rose who calls himself an expert and even says himself he will argue with anyone who doesn't agree with him. I had to look up this Roar to see where this opinion piece came from, having never read this AFL site. He's a Richmond supporter. I think we can ignore his opinions now. 

I said it before and I will say it again, I don't know why people take any notice of the drivel in the media .

[binman 42,919]

The roar is not journalism 

[Dee Watcher 71]

Jack is finally fit again and had a good pre season so lets all hope for a bounce back to the old Jack this year.

Foot injuries take alot of time to get over particularly for a hard running mid fielder who needs to cover ground and get to as many contests as Jack does to have an impact.

 

 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

10 hours ago, dworship said:

 

Viney was going at about half the AFL average mate, there's no way to spin it, his disposal forward has been terrible.

[drysdale demon 4,832]

1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

Viney was going at about half the AFL average mate, there's no way to spin it, his disposal forward has been terrible.

You do like to repeat yourself, he had a crap year mainly due to injuries lets see what happens in the future.

[Tim 3,418]

On 3/2/2020 at 11:18 PM, Simon Port said:

Jack Viney must have a question mark on his future in the modern game. He's as one-dimensional a player as there is in the AFL. He's been demoted from he captaincy. He's also treacle-slow and can't kick. Concerns.

Mr Wines Port, congrats on a big first post. A Marlion Pickett-like first game performance, generating a tish-load of discussion so far!

So is that really you, Ollie...? Sledging your old mate, both stepping back to the vice-captaincy at the same time; hard to shed the habits of a lifetime. On the other hand...is a bit subtle for what I'd expect from the Ollie we see on the field. 

Anyway, look forward to your next contribution as a conversation seeder, Big Fella. 

And, for the record, can't wait to see JV back to his ballistic best in 2020.

[I'va Worn Smith 973]

7 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

You do like to repeat yourself, he had a crap year mainly due to injuries lets see what happens in the future.

Agreed.  He is fitter, leaner and hopefully injury free.  With a few others around him, who had injury interrupted preseasons last year and who will also be fitter this year, Viney's bullocking work will be rewarded, as we will have more outside run than in recent years

Edited March 3, 2020 by I'va Worn Smith

[Lord Nev 13,512]

19 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

You do like to repeat yourself, he had a crap year mainly due to injuries lets see what happens in the future.

I don't actually, but seem to have to keep coming back to the actual data with some people.

Viney's delivery forward was bad in 2018 as well, it's nothing to do with injury.

Seems some posters (clearly including you) don't quite grasp the fact that things can be 'grey'. I love Jack, and to me his strengths outweigh his weaknesses, but that doesn't mean when people choose to discuss a weakness in his game they don't rate him as a player.

Not sure why you feel the need to always be so confrontational tbh.

Edited March 3, 2020 by Lord Nev

[drysdale demon 4,832]

2 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

I don't actually, but seem to have to keep coming back to the actual data with some people.

Viney's delivery forward was bad in 2018 as well, it's nothing to do with injury.

Seems some posters (clearly including you) don't quite grasp the fact that things can be 'grey'. I love Jack, and to me his strengths outweigh his weaknesses, but that doesn't mean when people chose to discuss a weakness in his game they don't rate him as a player.

Not sure why you feel the need to always be so confrontational tbh.

He was injured most of the time in 2018 as well, he wasn't fit last year and that can have an effect on disposal. If me saying" you like to repeat yourself" is confrontational then next time I post to you I will include kisses.XXXX

[I'va Worn Smith 973]

Isn't nice how we all get along on here? A difference of opinion is fine and understandable on such a forum, but petulance belongs in the schoolyard.

 

[drysdale demon 4,832]

1 hour ago, I'va Worn Smith said:

Isn't nice how we all get along on here? A difference of opinion is fine and understandable on such a forum, but petulance belongs in the schoolyard.

 

Wait to the season starts and you will how much of a schoolyard the site resembles

[Accepting Mediocrity 1,418]

Jesus some on here have short memories. Viney brings the type of hardness that we were begging for during our decade in the wilderness. 

Is he a complete midfielder? Of course not, but very, very few players are. Is a fit Jack Viney a key member of our best 22? Absolutely, and to suggest that he won't be in the near future is utter crazy talk. He's not a great kick, but neither is Dangerfield and he goes alright. 

14 hours ago, TGR said:

Nice if he can add lateral movement to his repertoire.

Viney's lateral movement is actually pretty good IMO. Check out the second passage of play from the 2018 semi. Also note who made the desperate futile chase to pressure Gunston's kick in the next passage. Successful finals teams are built around players like Viney. 

 

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

Treacle slow and no lateral movement hmmm...don’t agree with this. Our minds do play tricks on us sometimes so I went back and watched a lot of highlights from some our wins in the last few years including some of Jack’s.

There was one passage of play amongst many where he gave Shiel (GWS at the time) severe windburn. 

[Dockett 32 1,239]

All a bit over hyped at this point.

l’m hoping all this stuff helps  motivate Jack.

Personally l think if his body is right, he can play very well. 

If l had a concern, which l don’t , it would only be about the state of his body.

Would love him to have a great season and l reckon he can.