Jack Viney a Liability?

[640MD 3,023]

Just now, Lord Nev said:

Viney's kicking is a liability.

 

Did you ever see his fathers,   more often than not it would go to the opposition,   at least it was 40 odd metres into our territory.

But I can remember yelling a number of times "kick it to one of ours "

[Lord Nev 13,511]

3 minutes ago, 640MD said:

Did you ever see his fathers,   more often than not it would go to the opposition,   at least it was 40 odd metres into our territory.

But I can remember yelling a number of times "kick it to one of ours "

Problem is, in 2019:

MFC ranked 5th for inside 50s, yet....

Ranked 17th for points scored.

Ranked 17th for opponent rebound 50s.

Ranked 4th for turnovers.

Jeff Garlett lead our marks inside 50.

Rebounding footy has never been more prevalent than it is now, so it's not just about territory anymore, it's about efficiency.

 

[drysdale demon 4,232]

9 hours ago, Simon Port said:

The Roar posted a recent article about the Predictions for Melbourne for 2020. It went on to say that we have a surplus of inside mids and too many of the same type of player, specifically targeting Jack. "Jack Viney must have a question mark on his future in the modern game. He's as one-dimensional a player as there is in the AFL, and there are others on the list that perform his main skill of extraction better. He's been demoted from he captaincy. He's also treacle-slow and can't kick. Concerns." Do you think Viney's lack of break away speed since his foot injuries and poor disposal efficiency are major concerns? He is only suited to an inside midfield role and hasn't performed at a high level for a number of years now (I do understand he's had injuries). Thoughts?

 

I don't know why people take any notice of the crap in the media. It also some people wouldn't know what a fair dinkum footballer looks like. the only bad year he has had was last year and that was due to injuries.

[Bring-Back-Powell 13,478]

I'm not as excited as Viney as I am our other mids, but it's worth mentioning that he polled 14 brownlow votes in 2016, pre injury issues.

 

[dee-tox 4,830]

We're yet to see the best of Jack. Finally injury free, this may well be the year.

With that said, improving his skills overhead and on his right side would add a few strings to his bow... 

[Tom Dyson 1,540]

without the pressure of captaincy, i think Jack can work on being a bull and might also be able to get a better run with injuries if he does not feel compelled to play each week (as he might have when he was one of the co-captains).

i think the captaincy decision will be a blessing in disguise for Jack, at least i hope so anyway. 

big fan of him and what he has done so i think he can easily get back to bull like form of 2017 and 2018. 

imagine a fit and firing vandemonberg and Vines reaping havoc on opposing teams and sending players to the hospital, thats enough to get me out of bed in the morning. 

Go Dees !  

[John Crow Batty 8,323]

His perceived lack of skills are not terminal liabilities. His lack of creativity with the ball  and inability to generate viable offensive movement when he has it are. However it was encouraging to see him share the ball around more  in the practice game against Adelaide. 

[D4Life 2,307]

1 hour ago, dee-tox said:

We're yet to see the best of Jack. Finally injury free, this may well be the year.

With that said, improving his skills overhead and on his right side would add a few strings to his bow... 

First full pre season, possibly in the last 5 years at the Demons, so that will be a huge help.

Disposal needs to improve, but when it comes to leadership and capability on field he stands up on the big occasions, finals in 2018, the WC win mentioned earlier in the thread and with broken foot still took Port apart in one quarter in 2017, plus the pressure from his tackling is immense!

I can’t believe how much crap he cops on Demonland, carried significant injuries through last 4-5 years! Judge him in 2020 when he gets to complete a season fully fit!

Go Jack, bleeds red & blue, and polls incredibly well in Melbourne B&F’s even when injured and missing games.

Give him a break Demonlanders!

[Damo 3,030]

It gets up my frock when the players we love to watch go through a bad patch and get slagged off here. Tmac Gus and Viney in particular. I wish more posters would hold their bottle and see a couple of real games before looking for problems. Every other team would love these players to be available.

[JakovichScissorKick 771]

Jack Viney is not 'treacle slow'.  In fact hes not even slow.  In fact he actually has some zip.

The Roar should pack it up and call it a day.

[58er 5,676]

11 hours ago, Bring Back Barassi said:

Sydney Stack bump.

Nuf said

So one bump overrides Match winning   games and finals performances ???

ridiculous call and Jack  will be in our best 10 easily this season.

my goodness some D/L posters have short memories.

 

[drysdale demon 4,232]

7 minutes ago, 58er said:

So one bump overrides Match winning   games and finals performances ???

ridiculous call and Jack  will be in our best 10 easily this season.

my goodness some D/L posters have short memories.

 

That's not all there short on either 58er[ and I am referring to something above the shoulders}

[Scipio 5,889]

11 hours ago, Caligula's cohort said:

We all saw the impact Viney had in the 2018 finals after missing most of the season. I have full confidence he'll get back to his best this year. He just needs to fix up his disposal and set shots on goal. 

Exactly what he's built for. I think we'll see him play with more freedom as VC and I can't wait to see him tear it up in another finals series.

[spirit of norm smith 13,519]

Ridiculous thread. Shut it down. A fit Jack Viney is in the best 22 in ANY side in the league.  He is a tough mid who wins the footy and gets the footy.  He bleeds red and blue. His disposal is ok but certainly not horrid.  His toughness and leadership leaves many others in the dust.  

[Lord Nev 13,511]

55 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Ridiculous thread. Shut it down. A fit Jack Viney is in the best 22 in ANY side in the league.  He is a tough mid who wins the footy and gets the footy.  He bleeds red and blue. His disposal is ok but certainly not horrid.  His toughness and leadership leaves many others in the dust.  

When we played West Coast last year Hurn and McGovern combined for double figures in marks purely from Viney kicks.

But sure, he 'bleeds red and blue' so let's not talk about it.

Adding an edit because there seems to be an echo in here - It wouldn't have been double figures as Viney only had 9 kicks for the game. Hurn and McGovern took 19 intercept marks in that game however.

 

Edited March 3, 2020 by Lord Nev

[Forest Demon 4,681]

Citing his speed is a lazy take, he has a very good burst of acceleration. His kicking is a concern however.

Edited March 3, 2020 by Forest Demon

[Bring-Back-Powell 13,478]

11 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

When we played West Coast last year Hurn and McGovern combined for double figures in marks purely from Viney kicks.

 

Any idea if that was the Perth game or the Alice game, just out of interest?

They're horrific numbers.

[Lord Nev 13,511]

9 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Any idea if that was the Perth game or the Alice game, just out of interest?

They're horrific numbers.

The Perth one I'm pretty sure.

Edit - Just looked up to make sure, and Hurn and McGovern had a total of 25 marks in that game (including 19 intercepts). Geez. BUT I might have remembered incorrectly about the total of marks from Viney kicks directly.

Edited March 3, 2020 by Lord Nev

[Bimbo 911]

8 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

The Perth one I'm pretty sure.

Edit - Just looked up to make sure, and Hurn and McGovern had a total of 25 marks in that game (including 19 intercepts). Geez. BUT I might have remembered incorrectly about the total of marks from Viney kicks directly.

Given he only had 9 kicks, it is possible you might have

[Lord Nev 13,511]

2 minutes ago, Bimbo said:

Given he only had 9 kicks, it is possible you might have

Which is what I said.

[dworship 3,342]

31 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

When we played West Coast last year Hurn and McGovern combined for double figures in marks purely from Viney kicks.

But sure, he 'bleeds red and blue' so let's not talk about it.

 

I know you corrected yourself but you were pretty quick to be anti Viney. Shows a real bias or you just needed to invent something to support your opinion.

[drysdale demon 4,232]

5 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Which is what I said.

not what you said in the first place

[Lord Nev 13,511]

Just now, dworship said:

I know you corrected yourself but you were pretty quick to be anti Viney. Shows a real bias or you just needed to invent something to support your opinion.

No I love Viney. Hate his kicking inside 50, but love him otherwise.

Interesting you talk about bias and inventing things...

[Lord Nev 13,511]

1 minute ago, drysdale demon said:

not what you said in the first place

Which is why I added that I remembered incorrectly. Didn't think it was that hard to understand.

[BAMF 3,812]

1 minute ago, Lord Nev said:

Which is why I added that I remembered incorrectly. Didn't think it was that hard to understand.

Can you edit your original post to say how you just completely made that up please.