Training Ground?

[doc roet 1,287]

That read is enough to make you throw up.

[Rab D Nesbitt 8,399]

Considering they've rebuilt the whole place from scratch how hard would it have been to move the playing surface 5 metres to the west and make it oval shaped on the Moorabool St wing. 

[Stiff Arm 4,419]

1 hour ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

Considering they've rebuilt the whole place from scratch how hard would it have been to move the playing surface 5 metres to the west and make it oval shaped on the Moorabool St wing. 

Not very good with surveying an oval down Geelong way

[FearTheBeard 1,223]

Governments give money to areas where their voters reside. We are the most labor state in the country and our club is the most liberal (from a supporter base) in the state. So, it makes sense that labor governments throw money at the likes of Hawthorn and areas like Geelong for funding.

[Little Goffy 14,581]

That place is going to be a real head-scratcher for archeologists a thousand years from now.

"It appears to be some sort of temple, where each of the priests is allocated a farm in the surrounding countryside. Every four years dignitaries from the nearby metropolis travelled here to deliver tribute. We still cannot determine the basis for this worship as there is absolutely nothing of note in the area. All other local structures have long since rotted or rusted; only this approximately elliptical edifice of titanium and gold alloy remains."

[whatwhat say what 22,783]

16 minutes ago, FearTheBeard said:

Governments give money to areas where their voters reside. We are the most labor state in the country and our club is the most liberal (from a supporter base) in the state. So, it makes sense that labor governments throw money at the likes of Hawthorn and areas like Geelong for funding.

yet our actual 'base' of supporters has swung green, teal, and red

glen iris, malvern, malvern east, caulfield - all skewing left

[Deebauched 1,220]

11 minutes ago, FearTheBeard said:

Governments give money to areas where their voters reside. We are the most labor state in the country and our club is the most liberal (from a supporter base) in the state. So, it makes sense that labor governments throw money at the likes of Hawthorn and areas like Geelong for funding.

Yep. Id be surprised if the Lygon st Ruskies ever give 1 dollar to the MFC. Libs arent any better.

Portsea Golf club turning its nose up at Comrade Dan recentlywont have helped either. Portsea = Establishment=MFC= Royal Red and Blue colours.

We're cooked.

[BDA 22,759]

I hate the cats but rather than whinging about how they get money, and we don’t (because they obviously canvass/lobby better than us for their club. they've been a well-run club for a long time) we should acknowledge our own ineptitude. How can we not even have a location secured after decades of homelessness. We are where we are because of a number of useless boards. And I’m not too optimistic about our prospects either. Government largess has dried up because of economic conditions and who know when conditions will improve/change. 

MGC precinct looks dead in the water, so I really hope Caulfield works out. If not, then we are right back where we have always been, homeless with no prospects. Kate Roffey needs to get her finger out already.

[pitmaster 3,561]

49 minutes ago, FearTheBeard said:

Governments give money to areas where their voters reside. We are the most labor state in the country and our club is the most liberal (from a supporter base) in the state. So, it makes sense that labor governments throw money at the likes of Hawthorn and areas like Geelong for funding.

Carlton surely is the most Liberal (in politics terms) of clubs with big money going back all the way to Sir Robert Menzies via Sir Maurice Nathan, John (Liberal Party bagman) Elliott and numerous others. 

But Hawthorn is one of the most strongly Liberal voting areas in classically loyal Liberal localities until the Teals came along.

Geelong is a different matter. Lots of votes and multiple electorates. Labor and Liberal governments (think Bracks-Baillieu- Andrews) have thrown money down there.

[dino rover 714]

On 02/11/2023 at 12:09, drdrake said:

Yep, the inner city seats you need female or Multicultural policy, might be more for preferences than the vote especially the Greens in that area.

Got to be in a swing electorate as well.

Surely our grounds are a carbon sequestration capture and storage facility facilitating our transition to carbon neutral?

[Stiff Arm 4,419]

55 minutes ago, FearTheBeard said:

Governments give money to areas where their voters reside. We are the most labor state in the country and our club is the most liberal (from a supporter base) in the state. So, it makes sense that labor governments throw money at the likes of Hawthorn and areas like Geelong for funding.

And the Casey area?

[Rab D Nesbitt 8,399]

59 minutes ago, FearTheBeard said:

Governments give money to areas where their voters reside. We are the most labor state in the country and our club is the most liberal (from a supporter base) in the state. So, it makes sense that labor governments throw money at the likes of Hawthorn and areas like Geelong for funding.

The use of the name liberal for a centre right political party has always confused me FTB. Does the name hark from a time when they actually were socially progressive or is there another reason for their use of the word? Assuming you know the answer of course! If not I'm sure somebody else on here does. 

[rjay 24,964]

34 minutes ago, BDA said:

MGC precinct looks dead in the water, so I really hope Caulfield works out. If not, then we are right back where we have always been, homeless with no prospects. Kate Roffey needs to get her finger out already.

I suspect Caulfield is just smoke and mirrors and there is nothing concrete there.

Just a faint hope...and some crumbs to throw out to us, the supporters.

Edited November 25, 2023 by rjay

[Dannyz 2,761]

19 minutes ago, rjay said:

I suspect Caulfield is just smoke and mirrors and there is nothing concrete there.

Just a faint hope...and some crumbs to throw out to us, the supporters.

Caulfield is the only option which is currently subject to a funded feasability study. 

[BDA 22,759]

5 minutes ago, Dannyz said:

Caulfield is the only option which is currently subject to a funded feasability study. 

Do you know if a funded feasibility study been done on the MGC precinct project?

[Dee Viney Intervention 1,944]

5 minutes ago, Dannyz said:

Caulfield is the only option which is currently subject to a funded feasability study. 

I’ll do the feasibility study for a slab of beer. It’s feasible, just [censored] build it. Where do I send the invoice?

[Diamond_Jim 12,596]

41 minutes ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

The use of the name liberal for a centre right political party has always confused me FTB. Does the name hark from a time when they actually were socially progressive or is there another reason for their use of the word? Assuming you know the answer of course! If not I'm sure somebody else on here does. 

What we know as the Liberal Party had about 6 earlier names.

The modern party was founded by Menzies in 1945.

It took its name from the much older Commonwealth Liberal Party.

The Commonwealth Liberal Party was a fusion of the Free Trade (Anti-socialist) Party and the Protectionist Party in 1909 by the second prime minister, Alfred Deakin, in response to Labor's growing electoral prominence. The Commonwealth Liberal Party merged with several Labor dissidents (including Billy Hughes) to form the Nationalist Party of Australia in 1917. That party, in turn, merged with Labor dissidents to form the UAP in 1931.

The term "liberal" should be read as against the unnecessary government control of societylossely described as anti socialist. The term liberal used for the Canadian Liberal Party has a different meaning altogether and I would not try to guess what it means in the UK.

Of course these days they're all centrist parties with little real difference once in power

 

Edited November 25, 2023 by Diamond_Jim

[Dee Viney Intervention 1,944]

1 hour ago, pitmaster said:

 

Geelong is a different matter. Lots of votes and multiple electorates. Labor and Liberal governments (think Bracks-Baillieu- Andrews) have thrown money down there.

Bracks  and Baillieu were also both Geelong supporters which helps.

[Rab D Nesbitt 8,399]

13 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

What we know as the Liberal Party had about 6 earlier names.

The modern party was founded by Menzies in 1945.

It took its name from the much older Commonwealth Liberal Party.

The Commonwealth Liberal Party was a fusion of the Free Trade (Anti-socialist) Party and the Protectionist Party in 1909 by the second prime minister, Alfred Deakin, in response to Labor's growing electoral prominence. The Commonwealth Liberal Party merged with several Labor dissidents (including Billy Hughes) to form the Nationalist Party of Australia in 1917. That party, in turn, merged with Labor dissidents to form the UAP in 1931.

 

Thanks for the links DJ. It shows the party's use of the term liberal as far back as it's founding but for a lot of it's early existence seems to be a a mix of protectionists / anti-socialists & nationalists so it doesn't look like the term has every really aligned with their views. 

[rjay 24,964]

55 minutes ago, Dannyz said:

Caulfield is the only option which is currently subject to a funded feasability study. 

Unfortunately it's an old story 'Dannyz', the longer this goes on the more I'm inclined to join the '@old dee' camp.

I'll believe it when I see it...

[Hawk the Demon 1,006]

Straight from the Board's mouth, yesterday:

The Club has previously outlined to members and supporters that we plan to have primary (Melbourne) and secondary (Casey Fields) training bases. 

Whilst the Club has been unable to achieve its aim of commencing construction on a new Melbourne home base facility during the strategic period, all involved in the Club are working tirelessly to deliver the vision of a world class primary facility that can be enjoyed by players, staff and supporters, and are confident this vision will be realised in the term of the Club’s next Strategic Plan.

We understand the delay is frustrating for players, staff, supporters and your Board, however it is a long-term project and in order to deliver the world class facilities we want we can only move at the speed determined by our key project partners and State Government given our requirement for land and funding. 

The Club is continuing to work closely with the Victorian State Government on our primary home base, and as advised at last year’s Annual General Meeting this includes opportunities within the Caulfield Racecourse. 

The next Strategic Plan is coming out in February, 2024 but get your votes in for three of our eight directors before this Christmas. So is the MCG prospect dead? If so, please advise why.

[Redleg 40,961]

On 02/11/2023 at 12:50, Sir Why You Little said:

This was a totally separate issue. 
Gutnick made no effort to engage with Members to raise any revenue for a Training Facility. He just flatly said, we can’t afford that

And 20+ years later we are still paying for that atrocious decision 

With $27m in the bank, from the sale of assets he pushed his Board to acquire and after stopping a merger and tipping in $2.7m of his own, the biggest single donation to the club ever.

Show a bit of gratitude.

[Hawk the Demon 1,006]

7 minutes ago, Redleg said:

With $27m in the bank, from the sale of assets he pushed his Board to acquire and after stopping a merger and tipping in $2.7m of his own, the biggest single donation to the club ever.

Show a bit of gratitude.

In fact the sale of Leighoak and the Bentleigh Club has generated $34.4 mil. Our current net assets $30.4 mil and still no home base.

[Damo 3,362]

34 minutes ago, Redleg said:

With $27m in the bank, from the sale of assets he pushed his Board to acquire and after stopping a merger and tipping in $2.7m of his own, the biggest single donation to the club ever.

Show a bit of gratitude.

I cant believe that people have the F%^ing gall to pot Gutnick. He saved us and then instead of any show of being gratefull we had to endure people screaming that he owed $300k and begging us to vote for Gabriel Szondy. Printing out proxys and waving them at the Camberwell city centre meeting.

Then to top that off, same loudmouths biching about how Zsondy just phoned it in as president.

Can you tell it still gets my goat? I wonder if any of them are around ATM to say Mea Culpa.

[greenwaves 489]

3 hours ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

The use of the name liberal for a centre right political party has always confused me 

"Liberal" in Australian politics doesn't mean left leaning.  It refers to economic liberalism which is an economic policy that favours small government, low taxes, balancing the books type of economic policy.  "Liberal" meaning left leaning is really only a term used in the United States and Canada.  So the Liberal Party calling itself "Liberal" is correct because they're economic liberalists 

Edited November 25, 2023 by greenwaves