2020 Contracts and List Details

[Red and Blue realist 2,026]

4 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I think they will hold off until the 2021 Mid-Season Drafts (to be held monthly in 2021) and negotiate a retirement with KK if they need the list spot to draft someone.  Because there has been little exposed form for this year's draftees, this could easily happen.

The same might happen with Jones or Nev if the club needs other list spots mid year.

I think with KK there's a timeframe around medical retirements, so they might be waiting to hit the point where not all of his contract is counted before doing this. 

 

11 hours ago, Turner said:

we should be able to resign them pretty comfortably knowing we have some players who have earnt decent coin in recent years OOC next year in jones (former captain), jetta (AA40 man), ANB (best 22), vanders (swans interest), KK. thats a pretty experienced list of probable exits that should make it pretty easy especially as we would have foreshadowed petracca and olivers rise in stature. 

This is a good point, plus Gawn, Oliver, Salem and Weid would already be on very good contracts so any increase (in particular for Oliver) would be easily absorbed. The year after TMac and Lever's bigger deals also expire and while Lever will stay and if TMac can find form and re-commit, they won't command as big contracts, so signing Trac up should be easy (from a $ point of view). On the service the list management team have done pretty well.

[deelusions from afar 1,613]

8 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

I'm going to assume Nietschke hasn't officially been contracted and say that at this stage we've got 32 on the list signed up and 0 cat A rookies. The aim is to get to 38 and 4, plus until I know better Bradtke as a B.

10 total list spots. 6 main, 4 rookies. I'd say good bye to Mitch Brown and Oscar.

Then we've got 5 more out of contract: Bedford, Jordon, Chandler (r), Nietschke, Lockhart (r).

We can keep all 5 and have 5 draft picks. As it stands it would be 3 main list and 2 rookies. But we can move a main list player (Nietschke) down to the rookie list and go 4-1. 

So (if we don't package our current draft picks for a higher pick) we could use 18, 19 and 28 pick a backup ruckman as a DFA and rookie someone else?  Is that right?

[Lucifers Hero 37,043]

2 hours ago, deelusions from afar said:

So (if we don't package our current draft picks for a higher pick) we could use 18, 19 and 28 pick a backup ruckman as a DFA and rookie someone else?  Is that right?

Quite right. 

We can get a small fwd or a wingman the same way.

Edited November 13, 2020 by Lucifer's Hero

[Ohio USA - David 107]

3 hours ago, deelusions from afar said:

So (if we don't package our current draft picks for a higher pick) we could use 18, 19 and 28 pick a backup ruckman as a DFA and rookie someone else?  Is that right?

 

Edited November 13, 2020 by Ohio USA - David

[Ohio USA - David 107]

3 hours ago, deelusions from afar said:

So (if we don't package our current draft picks for a higher pick) we could use 18, 19 and 28 pick a backup ruckman as a DFA and rookie someone else?  Is that right?

As I mentioned previously Nietschke has been promised by the MFC and it has been made public before that he will have a contract for one year in 2021.

[DeeSpencer 23,134]

38 minutes ago, Ohio USA - David said:

As I mentioned previously Nietschke has been promised by the MFC and it has been made public before that he will have a contract for one year in 2021.

Are you talking about back when he got injured? Covid and list sizes might’ve changed that. And there was nothing mentioned back then about it being a Kia in list spot. He’s the perfect player to put back through the rookie list. 

[manny100 1,010]

Max list sizes for 2021 are 38 primary and 6 rookies . Lines up with our 2020 list size.

Not sure about salary CAP.

It will be interesting to see how we use our picks come draft night. Th i shear will see heaps of swaps.

We may be hoping a couple of players we like  slip.

[Ohio USA - David 107]

11 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Are you talking about back when he got injured? Covid and list sizes might’ve changed that. And there was nothing mentioned back then about it being a Kia in list spot. He’s the perfect player to put back through the rookie list. 

Here is a comment from Mahoney where he states that the Club have or will offer him a new contract which I believe is for the 2021 season in light of his two ACL operations.

 

https://www.afl.com.au/news/320617/another-knee-reco-blow-for-luckless-young-demon

[Ham 741]

On 11/13/2020 at 4:55 PM, manny100 said:

Max list sizes for 2021 are 38 primary and 6 rookies . Lines up with our 2020 list size.

Not sure about salary CAP.

It will be interesting to see how we use our picks come draft night. Th i shear will see heaps of swaps.

We may be hoping a couple of players we like  slip.

Mahoney made specific mention of this on Trade Radio, that it's exactly what he/the club think will happen. 

[Ohio USA - David 107]

On 11/1/2020 at 9:32 PM, spirit of norm smith said:

Jayden Hunt - get him signed up for 2 years 

James Jordan - get him signed up for 1 year

Bedford - wait and see, probably 1 year deal 

Nietscke - delist, then rookie list for 1 year deal

OMc- trade or delist

Hannan ❌❌❌ ? 

rookies 

Mitch Brown - definitely a 1 year deal

Lockhart- definitely a 1 year deal 

Chandler - I think he misses out 

Bradtke - cat B Extended for 1 year 

You cannot delist Neitscke as he has been promised a contract in 2021 already.. That's final.

[Turner 1,482]

neita and omac delisted one with a promise to be rookied. any guesses which one

[Lucifers Hero 37,043]

24 minutes ago, Turner said:

neita and omac delisted one with a promise to be rookied. any guesses which one

I can never take any joy when anyone who has worn the red and blue is delisted.

I will post a new chart in a few days to allow for any further changes.

Edit:  I have posted the update charted below.

Edited November 17, 2020 by Lucifer's Hero

[Lucifers Hero 37,043]

 @DeeZone  LOL, I assume the tears are because I'm not updating the chart.

Just for you, here it its:

 

Updated for Oscar's delisting.  Nietschke is shown as a 2021 Rookie, even tho it won't be official until draft night.

We now have 39 on the list.  With 4 senior list spots, and 1 Rookie spot to total the allowed 44.

As mentioned in another thread I expect Brown and Chandler to be delisted and Lockhart ? to be promoted.

Edited November 17, 2020 by Lucifer's Hero

[Turner 1,482]

10 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

 @DeeZone  LOL, I assume the tears are because I'm not updating the chart.

Just for you, here it its:

Updated for Oscar's delisting.  Nietschke is shown as a 2021 Rookie, even tho it won't be official until draft night.

We now have 39 on the list.  With 4 senior list spots, and 1 Rookie spot to total the allowed of 44.

As mentioned in another thread I expect Brown and Chandler to be delisted and Lockhart ? to be promoted.

is N.Nitschke related to A.Nietschke by any chance ;p

[spirit of norm smith 12,917]

15 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

 @DeeZone  LOL, I assume the tears are because I'm not updating the chart.

Just for you, here it its:

 

Updated for Oscar's delisting.  Nietschke is shown as a 2021 Rookie, even tho it won't be official until draft night.

We now have 39 on the list.  With 4 senior list spots, and 1 Rookie spot to total the allowed 44.

As mentioned in another thread I expect Brown and Chandler to be delisted and Lockhart ? to be promoted.

Bedford and Jordan should get 1-year deal.  
Agree Lockhart should be promoted to primary list and get 1–yr deal. Mitch Brown should get another year. Starred in last round and very handy key position player. Even if he played at Casey, he’s better than most.  Chandler doesn’t fit anywhere.  I think he’s going to be delisted.  

[whatwhat say what 18,965]

luke jackson extended til end of 2022 :)

[spirit of norm smith 12,917]

Great news with LJ or “Jacko” extended until 2022.  I was looking at the 2021 contracts and thought it would be great to get him extended like Kozzzy and Riv. 
 

Now move to lock away Oliver, Gawn and Salem. Oliver should get 4-year deal, Gawn and Salem 3-year deals.  Salem may be highly chased but I think 3-years is fair enough. 

[BScotti 112]

so as i see it given list size announcments:

- we have maximum 4 spots left on senior list (possibly 3 if you upgrade Lockhart)

- we have 1 spot left on rookie list ( 2 spots if Lockhart is upgraded)

- JM indicated keeping 1 spot open for mid season or DFA or SPP

- assuming no further pick swaps - we will fill all 4 senior list positions from 18, 19, 28 and 50 

- did i read that KK's spot will drop off at some stage in 2021?

[whatwhat say what 18,965]

mitch brown staying on for 2021

Edited November 18, 2020 by whatwhatsaywhat

[Binmans PA 26,103]

15 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

mitch brown staying on for 2021

Where'd you hear that mate?

[whatwhat say what 18,965]

1 minute ago, A F said:

Where'd you hear that mate?

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/melbourne-intend-to-keep-mitch-brown-as-they-lock-in-jackson-20201118-p56fph.html

[BScotti 112]

1 minute ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/melbourne-intend-to-keep-mitch-brown-as-they-lock-in-jackson-20201118-p56fph.html

did it comment on any other oOC rookies?

 

[whatwhat say what 18,965]

47 minutes ago, BScotti said:

did it comment on any other oOC rookies?

no

[Turner 1,482]

1 hour ago, BScotti said:

so as i see it given list size announcments:

- we have maximum 4 spots left on senior list (possibly 3 if you upgrade Lockhart)

- we have 1 spot left on rookie list ( 2 spots if Lockhart is upgraded)

- JM indicated keeping 1 spot open for mid season or DFA or SPP

- assuming no further pick swaps - we will fill all 4 senior list positions from 18, 19, 28 and 50 

- did i read that KK's spot will drop off at some stage in 2021?

i think as soon as after the draft when the first SPP period opens we can make him inactive effectively having a list of 45 players for all of next season including KK or the full 44 without him

[Whispering_Jack 27,978]

So am I correct in saying that Bedford, Jordan, Chandler (® A), Lockhart (® A) and Bradtke (® B) are uncontracted at present.

What is the list lodgement cut off day for them to be contracted? Today or next Friday?