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5 hours ago, poita said:

"We just weren't prepared for what the game was going to demand". 

That is inexcusable on so many levels.

Yes, but not the way in which it might appear here.
Knowing the impact of injuries and whatnot, the abject failure of refusing to adjust until it was way too late (and even then only minimally) is what's inexcusable for me. 

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9 minutes ago, Cam Schwab's Whiteboard said:

Yes, but not the way in which it might appear here.
Knowing the impact of injuries and whatnot, the abject failure of refusing to adjust until it was way too late (and even then only minimally) is what's inexcusable for me. 

What sort of adjustment were you looking for?

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You realise that Ben Simmons is a point guard traditionally around 6 foot to 6 foot 3 inches, his athleticism is the reason he is able to play the position so maybe Goodwin is convinced Luke can play as a midfielder, is he breaking the mold like Norm Smith?

When Norm Smith played Ron Barassi as a ruckrover he changed the traditional ruck combinations where there was 2 ruckmen and 1 rover.

 

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Just now, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

What sort of adjustment were you looking for?

okay I'll play

Pies v Tigers 2019 first round.

Pies played a wonderful tactical game that beat Richmond who were at relative full strength.

Cannot remember Goodwin trying anything different all season.

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"We were not ready" excuse means i didn't bother to analyse how the new rules worked and revise a game plan to adapt. Secondly such excuse is a way of saying i am stubbon and don't think i should listen to others.

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3 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

okay I'll play

Pies v Tigers 2019 first round.

Pies played a wonderful tactical game that beat Richmond who were at relative full strength.

Cannot remember Goodwin trying anything different all season.

I can appreciate there might be frustration at the lack of initiative within individual games. But I'm more interested in Goodwin developing a plan to win a Premiership which may mean sticking to a single plan until the players deliver it every time. Changing plans for individual games might not necessarily be in the longer term interest of a club trying to be Premiers.

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5 hours ago, DubDee said:

I assume he is trying to say - we couldn’t prepare for what the season was going to demand due to many factors out of our control

We can assume that but you and I are not resident hand ringers

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I'm certain Goodwin and his group would admit mistakes were made. It's hard to grow or improve if you don't make mistakes.  And they were challenged by injuries like few teams before them, which is tough going considering the young list profile.

Btw, this ''plan B'' talk is a load of crap.  Everyone knew how Hawthorn played when they won 3 flags, they just couldn't deal with it.  Clarkson didn't alter their game style in season, just as Richmond played to their strengths this year.  Do you think Leigh Matthews had a plan B ? Ever heard ''From the Lips of Lethal'' ?  Malthouse won a flag going around the boundary to minimise the effect of turnovers.  He didn't suddenly start using the corridor during games they were losing.

All clubs adjust their tempo at times during games, throw a 7th defender into the mix, match up on a dominant player who's got off the leash, move a tall defender forward, etc., but that's not having a ''plan B''.

Flag teams don't worry about ''plan B''.  

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4 hours ago, ProDee said:

Thank you.

For the dopes (and they are numerous) - Goodwin was referencing the operations and the fact that the entire midfield group had delayed/badly interrupted preseasons where they could barely do contesteted work before January (some February).

Some on here just don't want to accept that fact ProDee.

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1 hour ago, Ugottobekidding said:

"We were not ready" excuse means i didn't bother to analyse how the new rules worked and revise a game plan to adapt. Secondly such excuse is a way of saying i am stubbon and don't think i should listen to others.

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Demonland  - home of the infallible 

The Club from Bartlett down has collective blame for last year, this was acknowledged at the Forum

It is a new year, learnings, everybody's favourite new word, have been taken from those mistakes

It is Captain Obvious to state if we have a similar year Goodwin and others will be on very shaky ground

To paraphrase a wonderful phrase about modern art

'I could do better than Goodwin'

'Yes, but you didn't'

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17 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Demonland  - home of the infallible 

The Club from Bartlett down has collective blame for last year, this was acknowledged at the Forum

It is a new year, learnings, everybody's favourite new word, have been taken from those mistakes

It is Captain Obvious to state if we have a similar year Goodwin and others will be on very shaky ground

To paraphrase a wonderful phrase about modern art

'I could do better than Goodwin'

'Yes, but you didn't'

Monday experts

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2 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I can appreciate there might be frustration at the lack of initiative within individual games. But I'm more interested in Goodwin developing a plan to win a Premiership which may mean sticking to a single plan until the players deliver it every time. Changing plans for individual games might not necessarily be in the longer term interest of a club trying to be Premiers.

Iirc many of the successful coaches have said they generally adapt a game plan more to take advantage of some of the major strengths and general nature of the core/key players in the team and the general strengths of team as a whole, rather than the other way round LD.

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13 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

Iirc many of the successful coaches have said they generally adapt a game plan more to take advantage of some of the major strengths and general nature of the core/key players in the team and the general strengths of team as a whole, rather than the other way round LD.

There's no contradiction between what RN said and what LD said.

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6 hours ago, ProDee said:

Thank you.

For the dopes (and they are numerous) - Goodwin was referencing the operations and the fact that the entire midfield group had delayed/badly interrupted preseasons where they could barely do contesteted work before January (some February).

Not to mention that when the season did start we had on average 13-15 players unavailable every week.

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6 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

What sort of adjustment were you looking for?

Well if the coaching staff knew how unfit the team was in the early rounds, and were hoping to catch up over the course of the year, it seems logical to avoid a 'chatoic', high-pressing, physically taxing gameplay. Why not try to play defensively and scratch out a few low-scoring close games. To me, the stubbornness with which the coaching staff stuck with a plan that they knew wasn't working as early as Round 3 is just ridiculous. 

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4 minutes ago, Cam Schwab's Whiteboard said:

Well if the coaching staff knew how unfit the team was in the early rounds, and were hoping to catch up over the course of the year, it seems logical to avoid a 'chatoic', high-pressing, physically taxing gameplay. Why not try to play defensively and scratch out a few low-scoring close games. To me, the stubbornness with which the coaching staff stuck with a plan that they knew wasn't working as early as Round 3 is just ridiculous. 

That is pretty much what we did.

Except for the win bit.

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Same old posters jumping in to attack any criticism of the club. Almost as if they just wait around on this forum for someone to call dumb. Seems like a dumb use of ones time, when we're all waiting for ACTIONS on the field and a turn around in results next year to actually prove the intelligence (or lack of) of any statements made.

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12 hours ago, poita said:

"We just weren't prepared for what the game was going to demand". 

That is inexcusable on so many levels.

"for a variety of reasons"

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Listening to the interview this morning, I gained more of an appreciation of what went on within the 4 walls of the club this year. “Players doubting the game plan”, “players losing confidence”, “players questioning the football department ‘s whole strategy”

Meanwhile, Goodwin a young coach is worried about the team’s ability to get it together at round 3. As the year progresses, he’s needing to keep the faith, the motivation and belief of the players, publicly provide explanations for every loss, and cop un-censored criticism from traditional media and of course social media, of which, we are part. 

Imagine the experience of those underperforming players this year, those that came off pre season surgery and inadequate preparation; imagine the experience of Oscar MacDonald.

The fact that the club has retained 100% of their required players, traded on those that weren’t (Frost was a bad influence), attracted Langdon and Tomlinson, beat others to secure 1st refusal on Harley Bennell, is quite astonishing. Certainly not something that would have happened in the recent past.

I hated last season as much as anyone, but feel admiration for the players and staff and a growing confidence in where our club is heading.

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5 hours ago, Ugottobekidding said:

Don't need to be expert to know Goodwind didn't have a clue. Was pretty much outcoached all season.

How about this - we make the 8 then you apologise and delete your account.

We don't then I'll do the same for mine...

 

Deal?

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