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TRAINING: Monday 4th November 2019

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Harley Bennell is coming to Dees and starts training later this month.

Article on Dees’ website

 

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    1 hour ago, Satyriconhome said:

    New Burgess inovation, interval running, used to do this years ago in military, walk 25 , jog 25, sprint 25 around the oval, gets muscles used to doing the same , great for endurance surprisingly

    Well, this is a Back to the Future innovation. 

    As old as the hills as you suggest Saty. 

    Not a bad thing. 

    i have always thought that many of the so called new innovations in sports training are no more effective, and, in some cases, less effective than some of the old methods. Some old methods get disposed of simply because they are seen as "old hat" and coaches want to be seen to be innovative and different.

    This is true in most things. 

    Sometimes the old methods do get reinvented. Good to see that Burgess is not afraid to go back to old methods. 

     

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    2 minutes ago, hemingway said:

    Well, this is a Back to the Future innovation. 

    As old as the hills as you suggest Saty. 

    Not a bad thing. 

    i have always thought that many of the so called new innovations in sports training are no more effective, and, in some cases, less effective than some of the old methods. Some old methods get disposed of simply because they are simply seen as "old hat" and coaches want to be seen to be innovative and different. Sometimes the old methods do get reinvented. Good to see that Burgess is not afraid to go back to old methods. 

     

    Yep, sometimes there is mythology with the new stuff due to teams trying to get an 'edge'. 

    Bit like ice baths are now problematic...

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    TLDR

    Whos training the house down?

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    19 minutes ago, hemingway said:

    Well, this is a Back to the Future innovation. 

    As old as the hills as you suggest Saty. 

    Not a bad thing. 

    i have always thought that many of the so called new innovations in sports training are no more effective, and, in some cases, less effective than some of the old methods. Some old methods get disposed of simply because they are seen as "old hat" and coaches want to be seen to be innovative and different.

    This is true in most things. 

    Sometimes the old methods do get reinvented. Good to see that Burgess is not afraid to go back to old methods.

    Agreed, jog 25, walk 25 and sprint 25 is not new and hard to understand why it hasn't been part of our basic training as that is exactly how a game is played.  imv being the fast 2km or 3km runner doesn't count for much during games.  Its the stop start stuff that becomes important.  Lets hope it pays off with player endurance and two-way running.

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    19 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

    KK was not there, or AVB unless early, Weid was out early for a quick sesh

    Smith and Nietschke in rehab

    Dunkley didn't do much

    Gawn, Tommy Mc there

    Preuss' body shape from last year unrecognisable, dropped a few kilos

    Oliver looking in great shape, cruised through the session

    Firsr 3/4 of session was ball movement

    New Burgess inovation, interval running, used to do this years ago in military, walk 25 , jog 25, sprint 25 around the oval, gets muscles used to doing the same , great for endurance surprisingly

    Any concerns about Tommy Mc alleviated,spent 10 minutes at end, running full pace down middle of oval from end to end

    Gawn also motored around the oval a couple of times at the end, as per the norm these days, looks in immaculate condition

    All the 'young' boys,  nobody looked underdone

    A point, Omac (for all the haters) looked really sharp for first session

    Pleased to hear this Saty. Said during the season, if he went on the Gawn diet and exercise regimen during the off season he would become far more mobile and could potentially be a deep forward type plus forward 50 ruck. I think the club also said post season that they are looking to develop his forward work so hopefully we are seeing the beginnings of that ?

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    Just now, Lucifer's Hero said:

    Agreed, jog 25, walk 25 and sprint 25 is not new and hard to understand why it hasn't been part of our basic training as that is exactly how a game is played.  imv being the fast 2km or 3km runner doesn't count for much during games.  Its the stop start stuff that becomes important.  Lets hope it pays off with player endurance and two-way running.

    I remember going to a preseason training session out at Casey (circa when Jack Viney was training with us prior to being drafted) and they were doing a lot of interval training.

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    Thanks for the training report, Saty.  Much appreciated that you make the effort and reports back here.

    I was thinking that AFL is becoming a lot like Biathalon.  High heart rates and intensities, followed by moments where slow heart rate and accurate skill execution (goal kicking, foot skills, hand skills) are required.  I imagine the best way to train for this is interval and recovery training, with lactate tolerance work.  

    We talk about disposal efficiency and goal kicking efficiency, but if you have just sprinted your guts out and have poor cardiovascular recovery, then the fine motor skill required is probably going to be massively influenced.   This is why the shot clock can be so important.

    2019, if the list were not fit enough around this, it is no wonder their skills were degraded. Lets see how they train up this pre-season to be able to recover fast and perform the core skills when not recovered (and under pressure).

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    26 minutes ago, buck_nekkid said:

    2019, if the list were not fit enough around this, it is no wonder their skills were degraded. Lets see how they train up this pre-season to be able to recover fast and perform the core skills when not recovered (and under pressure).

    2019 we weren't fit enough because of our high turnovers.  We ran out of steam because instead of controlling the ball we turned it over and had to work back all the time, work hard to get the ball again just to turn it over going into our forward 50m, we just didn't get a breather.  Our fault though, tidy up the turnovers and you don't have to work as hard

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    I arrived late at the session and only saw the running.

    Clayton Oliver was looking very good, had rhythm, balance and power as he glided across the field. He maintained his competitive instinct with is running mate James Jordan.

    Tom and Oscar Mcdonald both moving strongly. Tom looking unimpeded and often leading Oscar.

    Bailey Fritsch and Charlie Spargo running easily and seemed to be enjoying the return to the club.

    Max Gawn running with Braydon Preuss. After the younger ones left, Max continued doing his own runs and was pushing himself pretty hard. Braydon doing some extra kicking, leading and marking with Gregg Stafford.

    Marty Hore running hard, together with Troy Chaplin who was regularly a few meters behind him.

    Tom Sparrow was in the lead most of the time when running with a small group of four players (Toby Bedford, Oscar Baker and I think Kade Chandler or Jay Lockart).

    Not a big squad a few must have finished early and some still away, I didn't see Harrison Petty.

    I thought there were about 8 coaches out in middle but no Simon Goodwin or Alan Richardson.

    Not very vocal but it felt like they were all itching to get on with it and appeared to be happy being back in the fold.

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    Some visuals to go with your report.

    17 hours ago, kev martin said:

    Clayton Oliver was looking very good, had rhythm, balance and power as he glided across the field. He maintained his competitive instinct with is running mate James Jordan.

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    17 hours ago, kev martin said:

    Tom and Oscar Mcdonald both moving strongly. Tom looking unimpeded and often leading Oscar.

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    17 hours ago, kev martin said:

    Bailey Fritsch and Charlie Spargo running easily and seemed to be enjoying the return to the club.

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    17 hours ago, kev martin said:

    Max Gawn running with Braydon Preuss. After the younger ones left, Max continued doing his own runs and was pushing himself pretty hard. Braydon doing some extra kicking, leading and marking with Gregg Stafford.

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    17 hours ago, kev martin said:

    Tom Sparrow was in the lead most of the time when running with a small group of four players (Toby Bedford, Oscar Baker and I think Kade Chandler or Jay Lockhart).

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    5 hours ago, Deeman said:

    Harley Bennell would be one. 

    He is now.

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    50 minutes ago, buck_nekkid said:

    Thanks for the training report, Saty.  Much appreciated that you make the effort and reports back here.

    I was thinking that AFL is becoming a lot like Biathalon.  High heart rates and intensities, followed by moments where slow heart rate and accurate skill execution (goal kicking, foot skills, hand skills) are required.  I imagine the best way to train for this is interval and recovery training, with lactate tolerance work.  

    We talk about disposal efficiency and goal kicking efficiency, but if you have just sprinted your guts out and have poor cardiovascular recovery, then the fine motor skill required is probably going to be massively influenced.   This is why the shot clock can be so important.

    2019, if the list were not fit enough around this, it is no wonder their skills were degraded. Lets see how they train up this pre-season to be able to recover fast and perform the core skills when not recovered (and under pressure).

    Interesting comparison and some excellent points.

    Is add in addition to fitness technique is critical. In any sport good technique helps performance under fatigue and conversely fatigue exacerbates poor technique. 

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    I suspect as many people trained today as had post season surgery last year.

    Of the latter group Oliver, tmac and omac were all training (and others no doubt). 

    Add to that that this time last year dunkley and Lockhart were nor even at an AFL club.

    I like it.

     

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    I have quite a few 'poor quality' pics  will be putting them on my Insta feed late tonight   work called unfortunately   will answer some questions in my break

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    4 hours ago, Nelo said:

    Is it just me or does Fritsch look a bit like Brad Green from that clip? Probably plays similar to him too. 

    I was gonna post the same thing!  Striking similarity (from some angles, at least...!)

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    3 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

    Not just you.

    I've always thought there's a bit of Brad Green about Fritsch.

    Particularly the lead up mark inside 50, and his kicking style.

    I looked up their heights and was surprised to read that Fritsch is 4cm taller than Green. He looks much shorter out on the ground. 

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    Who's meant to be there:
    2016:
    Oliver, Weideman (hip surgery), Corey Wagner, Josh Wagner, Joel Smith (groin)
    2017:
    Hannan
    2018:
    Spargo, Fritsch, Petty, Baker
    2019:
    Sparrow, Jordon, Nietschke (knee), Hore, Bedford, Chandler, Lockhart, Dunkley, Bradtke

    So Preuss, Gawn, T Mc the 3 voluntary additions so far.

     

     

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    5 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

    Who's meant to be there:
    2016:
    Oliver, Weideman (hip surgery), Corey Wagner, Josh Wagner, Joel Smith (groin)
    2017:
    Hannan
    2018:
    Spargo, Fritsch, Petty, Baker
    2019:
    Sparrow, Jordon, Nietschke (knee), Hore, Bedford, Chandler, Lockhart, Dunkley, Bradtke

    So Preuss, Gawn, T Mc the 3 voluntary additions so far.

     

     

    O Mac too.

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    be interesting to see if Bedford and Chandler come on this season.  I thought Chandler's debut was pretty good and I reckon he has that pest look about him.

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    3 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

    Metres, they did about 10 of these around the oval

    They used to call it "fartlek" once.

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