WELCOME TO THE MELBOURNE FOOTBALL CLUB - LUKE JACKSON

[whatwhat say what 22,732]

general feeling:
pick 1 and 2 - rowell and anderson (gc17)
pick 3-5 - green (gw$, cos someone will nominate him out of us, crows, and swans)
pick 4 - jackson (dees)
pick 5 - flanders (crows)
pick 6 - ash / young / kemp / serong (swans)
pick 7 - robertson (dockers)
pick 8 - traded or ash / young / kemp / serong / weightman (dees)
 

Jackson won’t get to pick 8 apparently 

[chook fowler 19,458]

We should consult Prendergast and do the opposite to what he says.

[Carn dees 108]

 I'm not buying it, surely where not actually considering taking a prospective ruckman/forward.... 

Does not make sense at all.

[Davos 895]

22 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

On top of Jackson being a bolter, Taylor has a poor record with drafting talls. He’s good at identifying mid sized players, but has been poor with talls and smalls. Here’s his track record for talls since he started with the 2014 draft.

O McDonald

Weiderman

Hulett (Delisted)

King (Delisted)

Filopovic (Delisted)

T Smith (Delisted)

Keilty (Delisted)

Petty

 

 

Other than Weideman (who could still be a player), all of the listed players were drafted 3rd Round or lower. You can hardly expect to hit on a KPP taken with a low pick - with the exception of ruckman, good talls are overwhelmingly drafted early.

[Beetle 4,650]

43 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

We should consult Prendergast and do the opposite to what he says.

Ran into him in a cafe this morning and can confirm he believes Luke Molan is slightly better value at pick 3 this year than Jackson.

[Biffen 12,940]

I hear he can eat fifty eggs.

And he’s got rabbit in his blood

Edited November 15, 2019 by Biffen

[DeeSpencer 25,671]

42 minutes ago, Carn dees said:

 I'm not buying it, surely where not actually considering taking a prospective ruckman/forward.... 

Does not make sense at all.

We are considering taking the player we think will provide the most value over the next 10-15 years. Positional needs have no bearing

[Carn dees 108]

22 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

We are considering taking the player we think will provide the most value over the next 10-15 years. Positional needs have no bearing

Fair enough, and so we should. 

But would in particular stands about him, besides his "athletism". 

Most of us have no idea obviously, unless they can say they've followed them through out the year and even the previous to gauge development. 

 

This is such a bizzare time of year. 

[DeeSpencer 25,671]

7 minutes ago, Carn dees said:

Fair enough, and so we should. 

But would in particular stands about him, besides his "athletism". 

Most of us have no idea obviously, unless they can say they've followed them through out the year and even the previous to gauge development. 

 

This is such a bizzare time of year. 

Athleticism - tick
Ball winning - tick - he's not all potential, he was the 2nd best player in the national champs
Skills - hand ball looks good, tackling, marking needs work, kicking not as bad as people are saying

But the big one is character that always plays a huge part, if they think he is really coachable and can develop as well as be a leader then that might get him over the line.

[Carn dees 108]

Here we are, seems very athletic. 

[ben russell 764]

He’s a real talent, and it’s very likely that he will be a great AFL ruckman.

But, is he what we need and/or is he best available at pick 3?

That I’m not sure of.

[JakovichScissorKick 771]

11 minutes ago, Carn dees said:

Here we are, seems very athletic. 

 

Looks a decent  option for our pick 97....    cant see what the fuss is about

[Demonstone 22,477]

From that footage, I didn't see any of the dire disposal by foot everyone's been talking about.  Looks an impressive player.

[dazzledavey36 54,838]

3 minutes ago, demonstone said:

From that footage, I didn't see any of the dire disposal by foot everyone's been talking about.  Looks an impressive player.

Because they haven't seen him properly play. He's a right footer, but he also uses his left foot to get himself out of trouble around stoppage. He is a whole different breed of a ruckman. 

His upside is scary.

[leucopogon 1,519]

I'm sold, is there a strong go home factor though?

[Caligula's cohort 1,014]

37 minutes ago, leucopogon said:

I'm sold, is there a strong go home factor though?

We might draft both the WA boys in Jackson and Robertson. The Dees have been heavily linked to both, It could reduce the go home factor being drafted together... much like Anderson and Rowell. 

Edited November 15, 2019 by Caligula's cohort

[1 red eye 1 blue eye 771]

13 minutes ago, Caligula's cohort said:

We might draft both the WA boys in Jackson and Robertson. The Dees have been heavily linked to both, It could reduce the go home factor being drafted together... much like Anderson and Rowell. 

I like this idea but I'm sure Freo having that pick before us would take either one available.

[COOLX 208]

Oliver was once a bolter and he turned out to be a great player. However I don't think the Dees need another ruckman, considering we have a project ruckman in Bradke. I am leaning towards Kemp at pick 8 , not sure on pick 3.

[Demon Disciple 12,118]

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

His upside is scary.

Another way of saying he has huge potential.

I hate the 'p' word. A fancy way of saying what could be and not what is.

We have had very few success stories recently with regards to developing that potential into actual talent. Jackson is far too raw for my liking.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

If he lasts to pick 8, then yeah, I'd be okay with it.

Not keen on using pick 3 on him though. 

[DeeSpencer 25,671]

16 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

Another way of saying he has huge potential.

I hate the 'p' word. A fancy way of saying what could be and not what is.

We have had very few success stories recently with regards to developing that potential into actual talent. Jackson is far too raw for my liking.

A reminder for about the 100th time in this thread that Jackson was 2nd in the Larke medal count, so whilst he has a long way to go to play excellent AFL footy he's not all potential when it comes to games against the best players his age. 

We've also drafted a lot of players who had excellent starts to their careers and then have faltered, regressed or failed to reach their potential. Angus Brayshaw was pick 3 and had a great debut year and whilst he was very good in 2018 I think the jury is well and truly out on whether he'll be a talent or just a guy for the rest of his career. 

Meanwhile someone like Fritsch was left out of TAC teams and came through local and VFL footy and I hope will be a big success. 

[Demon Disciple 12,118]

9 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

A reminder for about the 100th time in this thread that Jackson was 2nd in the Larke medal count

Cale Morton is also a former Larke medallist, as is Josh Shache, David Swallow and Andrew Hooper.

Means squat in terms of making the grade in the AFL.

[Redleg 40,894]

2 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Athleticism - tick
Ball winning - tick - he's not all potential, he was the 2nd best player in the national champs
Skills - hand ball looks good, tackling, marking needs work, kicking not as bad as people are saying

But the big one is character that always plays a huge part, if they think he is really coachable and can develop as well as be a leader then that might get him over the line.

Then watch The Eagles and Dockers offer him the world in 2 years to go home, if he is any good.

[Caligula's cohort 1,014]

18 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Then watch The Eagles and Dockers offer him the world in 2 years to go home, if he is any good.

Great... then we get two top ten draft picks in a few years time... happy with that. 

[FireInTheBennelly 4,072]

Dare I say, that spin reminded me of Nureyev.