Poll: Who do you want with our first two picks?

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

I’m going to leave it to the experts as to who we select with picks 3 & 8 - but, as an observation, Fischer McAsey has to be a made up name.

Surely.

 

 

Edited November 6, 2019 by Ron Burgundy

[PaulRB 6,411]

8 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said:

I’m going to leave it to the experts as to who we select with picks 3 & 8 - but, as an observation, Fischer McAsey has to be a made up name.

Surely.

 

 

Now that we no longer have the pleasure of yelling “Frosty” as he steams wildly down the ground (before kicking to...?), being able to yell “McAssssssey!” Seems fair compensation.

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[58er 6,562]

17 hours ago, Dees247 said:

Already said this in another thread, but does anyone know if we can get a list of Th names of who is invited to the draft so far?

Callum Twomey And Riley Beveridge just made mention of Pickett in their Draft post on the AFL.com.au website and he has been invited on the 27 th  to attend and is the 16 th so far. (May be our interest working here).

Hiw you get the other names not sure but I reckon the top 15 others would not be too difficult to guess or speculate.

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,510]

On 11/5/2019 at 8:26 PM, JakovichScissorKick said:

We havent had a gun small forward since Farmer.. whos last great season will be 20 years ago next year.   It is embarrassing.

We need to find one.   Happy to use pick 8 on Pickett.

Jeff Garlett had excellent seasons with us in 15 and 17, kicking 82 goals and making the All Australian squad in '17.

Historically, small forwards are very hard to predict and good ones rarely go top ten unless they are a standout talent.  Since 2009 there has been one All Australian small forward that has been taken in the top 10 and only three in the first round.

There is great value in small forwards in the draft if you pick wisely, not burning pick 8 on a player that has shown fairly little. 

 

Wingard (6)

Rioli (12), 

Greene (11)

Ballantyne (21)

Chapman (31)

Davis (34)

LeCras (37)

Walters (53) 

Gray (55)

Cameron (7 Rookie), 

Milne (23 Rookie)

Breust (47 Rookie), 

Betts (3 preseason)

 

[Dee tention 617]

I had Young at Pick 3. However, I think Deven Robertson will be the draft bolter and is seriously to be considered at Pick 3. I think he might be the best live pick! He will not get to Pick 8.
 

I wouldn’t be surprised if Freo trade for our Pick 3 to take him. 

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[Mickey 4,731]

26 minutes ago, Dee tention said:

I had Young at Pick 3. However, I think Deven Robertson will be the draft bolter and is seriously to be considered at Pick 3. I think he might be the best live pick! He will not get to Pick 8.
 

I wouldn’t be surprised if Freo trade for our Pick 3 to take him. 

 Freo might trade up to get Jackson before GWS (if they trade up) but not Robertson. One of Jackson or Robertson will be available to them at 7 and it's more likely Robertson than Jackson.

[Go the Biff 3,442]

I haven't moved from Young & Kemp but note there is a lot of noise around Jackson & Pickett.

Just on Jackson, I see a giant sized midfielder rather than an out & out ruck. If that's what the club thinks we need then so be it but I'm skeptical. I've seen nor read nothing in his short exposed history that indicates he would readily become a forward. And that kicking is a concern.

On Pickett, yeah he looks to have some nice tricks but his best output has been at SANFL Reserves level. Reserves ! There are suburban comps in Melbourne who's top divisions are a better standard than SANFL reserves. Would have liked to have seen more in the SANFL firsts or the nat champs. Again, skeptical

[Slartibartfast 17,625]

On 11/5/2019 at 11:21 PM, spirit of norm smith said:

Kysiah Pickett would be the highest ever opportunist indigenous small forward drafted ever.

Ashley Sampi says hi. 

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23 hours ago, Go the Biff said:

I haven't moved from Young & Kemp but note there is a lot of noise around Jackson & Pickett.

Just on Jackson, I see a giant sized midfielder rather than an out & out ruck. If that's what the club thinks we need then so be it but I'm skeptical. I've seen nor read nothing in his short exposed history that indicates he would readily become a forward. And that kicking is a concern.

On Pickett, yeah he looks to have some nice tricks but his best output has been at SANFL Reserves level. Reserves ! There are suburban comps in Melbourne who's top divisions are a better standard than SANFL reserves. Would have liked to have seen more in the SANFL firsts or the nat champs. Again, skeptical

I can't recall Jackson playing in a designated 'forward role' during the entire u18 champs (on the vision/matches i could access anyway).  Not sure where the 'potential gun forward' idea has eminated from tbh.  Although scouts/recruiters may well be basing this on his local WA matches assuming he has been played in this role quite a bit and performed.

Pickett as an 'opportunist small forward' is a very apt description Biff.

He is mecurial around goals with ball in hand that's for sure.  The trouble is he doesn't work nearly hard enough when he doesn't have ball in hand to get on the end of it again and get into positions (ie; work hard to get some separation on opponent) where he could imho.  He also appears to have a very bare bones tank which might explain the former.  In theory he shouldn't go any higher than 15 and more likely around the mid 20s to 30ish.  That's probably a fair reflection of where he is at given those constraints.

You would have seen more had he not been suspended for one of the nat matches.

The best small forward who does it well with and without ball in hand, if the u18 champs are anything to go by, is Weightman imv and the phantoms have him going roughly around pick 12/13ish.

Edited November 13, 2019 by Rusty Nails

[DemonOX 8,800]

If the giants want our pic 3 then they can sell the farm to get it. 
 

I really hope we don’t fold and take their first next yr as part of the deal. 

[DeeZone 10,107]

Young and Weightman for

[Accepting Mediocrity 1,418]

No point wasting a top 10 pick on Pickett - might as well split 8 and take him later if we want him that badly. As others have said, he'd be a massive risk. GWS have shown you don't necessarily need a specialist crumber to have a potent forwardline (although having Cameron, Green et al. admittedly helps). I'd bid for Tom Green, then take Young and Kemp. Talent over needs in the first round every day of the week.

[Vineytime 854]

Podcast on AFL website with Cal Twomey & Shifter Sheahan has us taking Young & Weightman with picks 3 & 8 ??

[Dees247 140]

7 minutes ago, Vineytime said:

Podcast on AFL website with Cal Twomey & Shifter Sheahan has us taking Young & Weightman with picks 3 & 8 ??

They were basing it on “need” though, not on who was actually going to get picked by clubs. Plus they weren’t including trading of picks.

[Dees247 140]

Bid on Green at 3 (& hope we land him), otherwise pick Young. Trade 8 to Freo for 10 & (something around 22), lets say pick 23. Pick Weightman at 10, Pickett at 23.

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8 minutes ago, Dees247 said:

Bid on Green at 3 (& hope we land him), otherwise pick Young. Trade 8 to Freo for 10 & (something around 22), lets say pick 23. Pick Weightman at 10, Pickett at 23.

I don’t think Pickett will get to 23. Bulldogs also keen...

And I don’t think we would take both Weightman and Pickett. It would be just the one of them.

 

[Pulp Fritschon 764]

Young at 3. We need his kicking. 

And I am now warming to Weightman at 8. It may seem a bit early to take him ahead of who ever falls through (Serong, Ash, Stephens or Kemp) but I do like him. Has a real athletic look about him, especially in the legs. Could really develop physically. Excellent set shot at goal, technique seems near perfect, kicks both feet, can take a grab, has X factor with the way he moves and he fills one of our biggest list needs. 

Anyway which ever way we go I have total trust in Taylor. Selecting Oliver at 4 the last time he had an early pick must give him so much belief in his work 

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33 minutes ago, Dee tention said:

I don’t think Pickett will get to 23. Bulldogs also keen...

And I don’t think we would take both Weightman and Pickett. It would be just the one of them.

 

Would be great to have two gun small forwards. We would be so much more dangerous up forward. Weightman would be my choice of the two, by a fair margin. A safer pick.

[Uncle Fester 2,848]

3 and 8 at the draft. No trades. Bid on Green if we rate him as worth 3, otherwise take Young and let Adel / Syd make GWS dance. 

 

Best ball winning talent at 8. No sorta ruckmen / sorta forwards. No 'might kick 2 goals in five minutes and then pick daisies' midgets. Best ball winner. 25 touches a game when they mature. If that is Kemp then take him. We can wait a year for the next 12 he will offer.

[Alex Flood 245]

Would be much appreciated but can someone explain to me what it means when people say ‘GWS can match bid & they get Green’ ? I presume they get leverage because he’s from their academy but how do they match the bid ?

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2 hours ago, Alex Flood said:

Would be much appreciated but can someone explain to me what it means when people say ‘GWS can match bid & they get Green’ ? I presume they get leverage because he’s from their academy but how do they match the bid ?

The AFL brought in rule 6 to compensate the rest of the Clubs if a Club has the benefit of being able to have access to a Father/Son or Academy player. The AFL set up a points value for each pick in the draft. As an example of how it works GWS have the right to draft Tom Green because they developed him in their Academy. Any other Club can use one of their picks to bid for him. GWS then has to decide to give up enough picks in value to match the value of that pick or let the other Club have him. So for instance if we bid on him at pick 3 that pick is worth 2234 points. To keep Green GWS would have to give up picks they have to match that amount of points. They currently have pick 6 which is worth 1751 points, pick 40 which is worth 429. and pick 59 which is worth 158.  They  would have to give up all those picks and that would leave an excess of 104 points which is worth pick 64 so they would be registered as having used pick 3 in the draft our pick 3 would become 4 and they would lose their picks 6, 40 & 59 and get back 64. 

Hope that explains it. Same applies for Father/Son and NGA academy players. 

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2 hours ago, Alex Flood said:

Would be much appreciated but can someone explain to me what it means when people say ‘GWS can match bid & they get Green’ ? I presume they get leverage because he’s from their academy but how do they match the bid ?

Pretty much. If a bid comes before their 1st pick (6), they need to use pick 6 on him if they want him; if no bid comes they can draft him with subsequent picks and use 6 on another kid. If they choose not to match, he can be drafted by a club with picks 1-5. Draft points come into it as well (which is where it gets a bit more complicated), but that's the gist of it as I understand.

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18 minutes ago, It's Time said:

The AFL brought in rule 6 to compensate the rest of the Clubs if a Club has the benefit of being able to have access to a Father/Son or Academy player. The AFL set up a points value for each pick in the draft. As an example of how it works GWS have the right to draft Tom Green because they developed him in their Academy. Any other Club can use one of their picks to bid for him. GWS then has to decide to give up enough picks in value to match the value of that pick or let the other Club have him. So for instance if we bid on him at pick 3 that pick is worth 2234 points. To keep Green GWS would have to give up picks they have to match that amount of points. They currently have pick 6 which is worth 1751 points, pick 40 which is worth 429. and pick 59 which is worth 158.  They  would have to give up all those picks and that would leave an excess of 104 points which is worth pick 64 so they would be registered as having used pick 3 in the draft our pick 3 would become 4 and they would lose their picks 6, 40 & 59 and get back 64. 

Hope that explains it. Same applies for Father/Son and NGA academy players. 

Let's say they trade out pick 6 for a future pick, are they still able to match a bid if it came at pick 3? I know they can go into deficit, but how much is the max they can go into deficit? I imagine pick 40 & 59 still wouldn't be enough?