Good to see Pert’s non review review is bringing out some ground breaking stuff in the footy dept!

1 hour ago, A F said:

You gonna wear your mask, mate, or try a few without it?

i'd go mufti

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This was posted in another thread by mistake. I believe it belongs here.

I was once considered to be a very reliable shot for goal in my admittedly very, very low level suburban league team. I never trained goal kicking and took my kicks quickly in matches. I had a very simple kicking action - I was as good off 1-2 steps as off more. It's all in the balance at the point of kicking and the ball drop. 

I have watched goal kicking ever since with an interested eye and the standard of goal kicking has neither improved nor declined. The length of the run ups is irrelevant as the player needs to be balanced only at the point of kicking the ball. The ball drop is critical and that is the area in which I would focus the training.

The angle of the run up for a set shot can make a difference eg Maxie should always run out to the right and use his natural hook to kick straight (a la Buddy reversed). When he run straight in he hooks. Any coaching must address this issue and how to abandon the 30 second rule. If the technique is right, who needs 30 seconds to stuff a mouth guard in a sock or jocks.

So there are the key coaching principles - balance at the point of kicking, controlled ball drop and direction of run up. All can be readily  implemented in a coaching regime. Confidence will flow from adopting these principles.

One last comment - any player running free within 40m of goal should be encouraged and supported to shoot directly at the goals. Better to at least have a shot from a free position than to screw it up by short passing to a team mate in a worse position (recall how often this has happened and the opportunity for a score is lost).

Would like to see Matthew Lloyd become our goal kicking coach. Besides throwing grass up in the air and diving for free kicks he was a pretty good kick at goal.

If not him, then Brad Green or David Schwarz (who has offered to do it in the past but got rudely knocked back by Jesse Hogan I think?). Otherwise Wayne Carey (if he can behave himself) Matthew Richardson or Brian Taylor should be considered.

Brad Green would be my choice. 

He was a natural forward one of the few strikers that we have had until the club decided to make him more versatile and destroyed that intuitive reaction. 

Not sure what his career score line was but he was a great kick to commence with, probably hasn't forgotten that skill set. Seemed to have a sound technique.

Neiter was one out of the box and one of our few champions of that era. But he missed so many "captains goals" ( the ones that you really have to get to swing or maintain momentum and confidence) that I never had confidence in his technique

But both sharing and inspiring our potentials would surely lift morale and confidence as well as technique.

50 minutes ago, dpositive said:

 Neiter was one out of the box and one of our few champions of that era. But he missed so many "captains goals" ( the ones that you really have to get to swing or maintain momentum and confidence) that I never had confidence in his technique

The two he missed in the opening minutes of the 2000 GF a case in point.
Ball goes up the other end for Essendon captain Hird to mark and goal.
Inspiring for them, deflating for us.

One bloke who noticeably improved his goal kicking during his career was Russell Robinson.
Unreliable early but worked on it and became quite the dead eye.
 

12 minutes ago, Fork 'em said:

The two he missed in the opening minutes of the 2000 GF a case in point.
Ball goes up the other end for Essendon captain Hird to mark and goal.
Inspiring for them, deflating for us.

One bloke who noticeably improved his goal kicking during his career was Russell Robinson.
Unreliable early but worked on it and became quite the dead eye.
 

Good get with Robby who still has a great presence around the club. Again could inspire a few of our potentials to give their all. He was unfortunate to play in sides that did not have the collective talents of our current squad and yet he has an impressive highlights reel.

This was what Yze was originally brought in to do at the Hawks

Did we not have a goalkicking coach??? If we did, they’d be the first one sacked. If we didn’t, it’s an obvious blunder by the footy department.  

On 10/1/2019 at 8:56 PM, Supreme_Demon said:

Would like to see Matthew Lloyd become our goal kicking coach. Besides throwing grass up in the air and diving for free kicks he was a pretty good kick at goal.

If not him, then Brad Green or David Schwarz (who has offered to do it in the past but got rudely knocked back by Jesse Hogan I think?). Otherwise Wayne Carey (if he can behave himself) Matthew Richardson or Brian Taylor should be considered.

Anyone but Lloyd can't stand him... dunno if it's just me?? But he seems like a snake that would stuff us up on purpose, he is essendon through and through, even when he bags them he's send out cryptic messages to help them. Imo this roll hass to be a passed demon maybe Green, Nieta, or Cam Bruce. 

2 hours ago, Rednblueriseing said:

Anyone but Lloyd can't stand him... dunno if it's just me?? But he seems like a snake that would stuff us up on purpose, he is essendon through and through, even when he bags them he's send out cryptic messages to help them. Imo this roll hass to be a passed demon maybe Green, Nieta, or Cam Bruce. 

Green not bad.  Bruce was a terrible kick...mostly floaters.  Carey by a long way for mine.

3 hours ago, Rednblueriseing said:

Imo this roll hass to be a passed demon maybe Green, Nieta, or Cam Bruce. 

Can't imagine they'd be much use if they've passed.   

It's not the people WITH the best technique/mental strength that we need, but the people who can COMMUNICATE these things. 

Great technique - Wayne Carey, Jason Dunstall, Barry Hall, Jack Reiwoldt, Jack Watts. But can they convey it to to others who are struggling, or who are very young?

If Yze has achieved this at Hawthorn then he has some credits in the bank. Are there others we know of who have made a significant impact at a club, and the difference has translated onto the scoreboard?

Didn't Sav straighten up Casboult to some degree? That's a big effort.

Of course the club could save some money and just point the players towards You Tube where they will find many, many instructional videos devoted to the art and science of kicking an Australian Rules football.

On 9/30/2019 at 9:11 AM, Demon3 said:

This feels like a light bulb moment for them in charge.. lets be honest, this is a position that should be full time and coveted just as much as any position, after all, to win a game, you have to kick goals.

Not sure who it is, but its really important. Also so is 2 Assistant coaches that we have not filled yet or heard anything about. Must be news about these positions sooner rather than later.

 

This is blatantly obvious. You win games by kicking goals and so many of today’s players have poor technique. They have succeeded in junior football because they were athletes, not necessarily footballers with the the basic skills.

How many times have seen set shots dead in front 30 metres out miss? 

Kicking for goal is 95% mental.

Too many negative thoughts going through the mind that take distract from the task at hand. eg  'I will look like a goose if I miss this',  'we need this I hope it goes through' etc.

There are techniques  to overcome this problem.

Haveing someone, like Wayne Carey would not only help with goal kickiing, he could also help, Weed on how to use his strength when going for pack marks.

David Neitz would also be good, becasue he would use his hips, low down when trying to get the ball in a pack.

Maybe help big Maxy with his set shots ? ( joke)