Jump to content

Goal Kicking Coach

dazzledavey36
in Melbourne Demons

Featured Replies

  • Author
29 minutes ago, AaronDaveyChipsAndGravey said:

Has a soft spot for us. Wouldnt mind that

Close mates with Goody too.

Even if its coming down twice a week and working on some forward craft with the likes of Weideman and McDonald. 

  • Quote
    •  
    46 minutes ago, AaronDaveyChipsAndGravey said:

    Has a soft spot for us. Wouldnt mind that

    Heard him on mmm about a month ago, he said the team/teams who get a froward coach and teach their kids how to kick will improve much better then teams who listen to these sports scientist. 

     

  • Quote

    This bloke from Shepparton had some luck teaching the Hawks to kick their way to a couple of premierships...

    6FD3460E-2046-45DF-BAE4-767EB59BF8C6.jpeg

  • Quote
    • Like 3
     

    Green & Yze - That would be something.

  • Quote
    • Like 1

    With respect to kicking I liked what Damian Hardwick had to say this morning on coaching. IMO opinion there are 2 game styles, Hawthorn with their precise hit the target movement of the ball that won them 3 straight flags and Richmond who will chip to a loose target but prefer the chaos game of run and gun or kicking to their forward marking targets.

    Hardwick's point was that in 2016 he was trying to coach his footballers to improve their weaknesses i.e play the Hawthorn precision game. In 2017 after a review and close call to getting sacked he decided to coach to their strengths which was run and gun. He also said he coached less and didn't micro manage the team and let them play (I suspect this means he didn't need the runner but the team leaders looked after on field adjustments). Similar sentiments from Grundy in an interview last week. He said  Buckley's attitude was work harder to achieve success which drove the players nuts and if it persisted Grundy wanted to leave. Buckley got reviewed, came close to a sacking but changed his attitude. Less is sometimes more and play to your strengths.

    Set shot kicking is a skill and I hope the new coach can improve this but also moving the ball into better position for set shots is important to and that is game style. I have my doubts that some players will ever be good great field kicks but if you cannot hit a target then kick it to space and let them run on to it

  • Quote
    • Like 4
    • Thanks 2
    • Love 1

    29 minutes ago, Older demon said:

    With respect to kicking I liked what Damian Hardwick had to say this morning on coaching. IMO opinion there are 2 game styles, Hawthorn with their precise hit the target movement of the ball that won them 3 straight flags and Richmond who will chip to a loose target but prefer the chaos game of run and gun or kicking to their forward marking targets.

    Hardwick's point was that in 2016 he was trying to coach his footballers to improve their weaknesses i.e play the Hawthorn precision game. In 2017 after a review and close call to getting sacked he decided to coach to their strengths which was run and gun. He also said he coached less and didn't micro manage the team and let them play (I suspect this means he didn't need the runner but the team leaders looked after on field adjustments). Similar sentiments from Grundy in an interview last week. He said  Buckley's attitude was work harder to achieve success which drove the players nuts and if it persisted Grundy wanted to leave. Buckley got reviewed, came close to a sacking but changed his attitude. Less is sometimes more and play to your strengths.

    Set shot kicking is a skill and I hope the new coach can improve this but also moving the ball into better position for set shots is important to and that is game style. I have my doubts that some players will ever be good great field kicks but if you cannot hit a target then kick it to space and let them run on to it

    Interesting, I get the difference in ball movement but not sure this is the right approach to set shots (although it might explain the around the corner kicks from dead in front).  If you look at rugby the all time great goal kicker Johnny Wilkinson just practiced with a set routine and to my eye it seems that is the best approach.

  • Quote
    • Like 1

    Also forgot to mention that Hardwick besides encouraging chaos ball (which we do) could not emphasise enough the importance of defence. I know they lost Rance early but settled in a very stable defence. If there is 1 thing that gives me hope for coming seasons is if we can settle our defence as the injury plague this year really crueller any continuity with our back 6. I am not sure moving forward who the back 6 will be but the formula is a lock down full back (Astbury) the intercept mark (Grimes) the designated kicker and general (Houli) the run and gun (Short) and midfielders who are prepared to run both ways.

    I am so impressed with how Hardwick has re-invented himself and his thoughts on the game.

  • Quote
    • Like 3

    Lockett or Dunstall knew how to kick goals - wouldn’t mind either of these

  • Quote
    •  
    1 hour ago, Older demon said:

    Also forgot to mention that Hardwick besides encouraging chaos ball (which we do) could not emphasise enough the importance of defence. I know they lost Rance early but settled in a very stable defence. If there is 1 thing that gives me hope for coming seasons is if we can settle our defence as the injury plague this year really crueller any continuity with our back 6. I am not sure moving forward who the back 6 will be but the formula is a lock down full back (Astbury) the intercept mark (Grimes) the designated kicker and general (Houli) the run and gun (Short) and midfielders who are prepared to run both ways.

    I am so impressed with how Hardwick has re-invented himself and his thoughts on the game.

    Back when he was on the market and we were looking at a new coach I would have taken Hardwick mainly due to the way he was as a player as well as ruthless and aggressive environments he came from.
    Premiership player at both Essendon and Port.
    Coached by both Sheedy and Mark Williams.
    But if I remember correctly his computer skills and Powerpoint Presentation weren't quite as polished as Neelds.

    He found himself under the pump big time in his 1st few years at Richmond and when the vultures were circling in 2016 he stated to the that he had at his disposal the best list he'd had since he'd been at the club and wouldn't be going unless shoved.
    We all thought he was dreaming and then come out and won the flag the next year.
    Hats off to him.

    Since he won that flag he's been a far more content man infront of the camaras.
    Speaks with the relaxed authority a premiership under your belt brings.
    Now he has 2.
    Might turn into Clarkson soon and we'll all be chasing Richmond assistants.

    Edited by Fork 'em

  • Quote
    • Like 1
    2 hours ago, Mel Bourne said:

    This bloke from Shepparton had some luck teaching the Hawks to kick their way to a couple of premierships...

    6FD3460E-2046-45DF-BAE4-767EB59BF8C6.jpeg

    I wonder what a big club like Hawthorn can afford to pay their specialist coaches..?

    Would love to get Yze back to the club but I’d take a guess that he’d be on a pretty hefty pay pocket compared to what we could offer.

     

  • Quote

    The club should have had the decency to acknowledge that but for the astute observers here at Demonland, nobody at the club would have realised that we even needed such help ?

    Edited by monoccular

  • Quote
    • Like 1
    25 minutes ago, monoccular said:

    The club should have had the decency to acknowledge that but for the astute observers here at Demonland, nobody at the club would have realised that we even needed such help ?

     

    26 minutes ago, monoccular said:

    The club should have had the decency to acknowledge that but for the astute observers here at Demonland, nobody at the club would have realised that we even needed such help ?

    The speed of their reaction is astounding!

  • Quote
    • Haha 1

    why are we only looking at goal kicking, kicking is kicking. our players turned the ball over far more often all over the field with their poor disposal, so maybe broaden your remit and look for some who can teach all of our players how to kick.  maybe in a couple of years time we can then get a coach to teach them how to tackle and chase.

  • Quote
    7 hours ago, Older demon said:

    Also forgot to mention that Hardwick besides encouraging chaos ball (which we do) could not emphasise enough the importance of defence. I know they lost Rance early but settled in a very stable defence. If there is 1 thing that gives me hope for coming seasons is if we can settle our defence as the injury plague this year really crueller any continuity with our back 6. I am not sure moving forward who the back 6 will be but the formula is a lock down full back (Astbury) the intercept mark (Grimes) the designated kicker and general (Houli) the run and gun (Short) and midfielders who are prepared to run both ways.

    I am so impressed with how Hardwick has re-invented himself and his thoughts on the game.

    If you make the comparison with us, May is the lock down FB, Lever the intercept marker, Hibberd is the run and gun. We're just missing the designated kicker and general. Perhaps Jones can play that role in 2020?

    Great comments though, mate. Thanks for sharing. Actually a very nice guy is Damien. Fascinating hearing how Hardwick and Buckley turned their careers around after internal reviews. Let's hope Goody can take heed of a similar review.

    I'd also proffer Sav Rocca as an alternative.

  • Quote
    • Like 2

    Some goal-kicking practice wouldn’t go astray. Might be better than wrecking your feet with stress fractures by doing too much running. 

    Perhaps Jack Watts could teach them to kick straight?

  • Quote
    8 hours ago, Older demon said:

    With respect to kicking I liked what Damian Hardwick had to say this morning on coaching. IMO opinion there are 2 game styles, Hawthorn with their precise hit the target movement of the ball that won them 3 straight flags and Richmond who will chip to a loose target but prefer the chaos game of run and gun or kicking to their forward marking targets.

    Hardwick's point was that in 2016 he was trying to coach his footballers to improve their weaknesses i.e play the Hawthorn precision game. In 2017 after a review and close call to getting sacked he decided to coach to their strengths which was run and gun. He also said he coached less and didn't micro manage the team and let them play (I suspect this means he didn't need the runner but the team leaders looked after on field adjustments). Similar sentiments from Grundy in an interview last week. He said  Buckley's attitude was work harder to achieve success which drove the players nuts and if it persisted Grundy wanted to leave. Buckley got reviewed, came close to a sacking but changed his attitude. Less is sometimes more and play to your strengths.

    Set shot kicking is a skill and I hope the new coach can improve this but also moving the ball into better position for set shots is important to and that is game style. I have my doubts that some players will ever be good great field kicks but if you cannot hit a target then kick it to space and let them run on to it

    Yes this was the doggies game plan a few years back. Kicking to space and players running onto it works well for fast runners. Most of our guys are too slow.

  • Quote

    ok,ok, i'll put my hand up. reasonable fees too. but only on the condition that anb is not included and saty is banned from asking me any questions

  • Quote
    • Like 1
    • Haha 4
    43 minutes ago, President Dee Trump said:

    Yes this was the doggies game plan a few years back. Kicking to space and players running onto it works well for fast runners. Most of our guys are too slow.

    Interesting that both of the chaos coaches (Beveridge and Hardwick) come from the school of control (Clarkson).

  • Quote
    • Like 2
    43 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

    ok,ok, i'll put my hand up. reasonable fees too. but only on the condition that anb is not included and saty is banned from asking me any questions

    You gonna wear your mask, mate, or try a few without it?

  • Quote

    Yes. I heard Hardwick this morning, loosen up the structures a little

    We need natural flair out on the ground. 

     

  • Quote
    •  

    Join the conversation

    You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

    Guest
    Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
    Reply to this topic...
    Go to topic listing

    Featured Content

    • CASEY: Sydney

      The Casey Demons were always expected to emerge victorious in their matchup against the lowly-ranked Sydney Swans at picturesque Tramway Oval, situated in the shadows of the SCG in Moore Park. They dominated the proceedings in the opening two and a half quarters of the game but had little to show for it. This was primarily due to their own sloppy errors in a low-standard game that produced a number of crowded mauls reminiscent of the rugby game popular in old Sydney Town. However, when the Swans tired, as teams often do when they turn games into ugly defensive contests, Casey lifted the standard of its own play and … it was off to the races. Not to nearby Randwick but to a different race with an objective of piling on goal after goal on the way to a mammoth victory. At the 25-minute mark of the third quarter, the Demons held a slender 14-point lead over the Swans, who are ahead on the ladder of only the previous week's opposition, the ailing Bullants. Forty minutes later, they had more than fully compensated for the sloppiness of their earlier play with a decisive 94-point victory, that culminated in a rousing finish which yielded thirteen unanswered goals. Kicks hit their targets, the ball found itself going through the middle and every player made a contribution.

        • Thanks
        • Like
      • 1 reply
      Demonland

    • REPORT: St. Kilda

      Hands up if you thought, like me, at half-time in yesterday’s game at TIO Traeger Park, Alice Springs that Melbourne’s disposal around the ground and, in particular, its kicking inaccuracy in front of the goals couldn’t get any worse. Well, it did. And what’s even more damning for the Melbourne Football Club is that the game against St Kilda and its resurgence from the bottomless pit of its miserable start to the season wasn’t just lost through poor conversion for goal but rather in the 15 minutes when the entire team went into a slumber and was mugged by the out-of-form Saints. Their six goals two behinds (one goal less than the Demons managed for the whole game) weaved a path of destruction from which they were unable to recover. Ross Lyon’s astute use of pressure to contain the situation once they had asserted their grip on the game, and Melbourne’s self-destructive wastefulness, assured that outcome. The old adage about the insanity of repeatedly doing something and expecting a different result, was out there. Two years ago, the score line in Melbourne’s loss to the Giants at this same ground was 5 goals 15 behinds - a ratio of one goal per four scoring shots - was perfectly replicated with yesterday’s 7 goals 21 behinds. 
      This has been going on for a while and opens up a number of questions. I’ll put forward a few that come to mind from this performance. The obvious first question is whether the club can find a suitable coach to instruct players on proper kicking techniques or is this a skill that can no longer be developed at this stage of the development of our playing group? Another concern is the team's ability to counter an opponent's dominance during a run on as exemplified by the Saints in the first quarter. Did the Demons underestimate their opponents, considering St Kilda's goals during this period were scored by relatively unknown forwards? Furthermore, given the modest attendance of 6,721 at TIO Traeger Park and the team's poor past performances at this venue, is it prudent to prioritize financial gain over potentially sacrificing valuable premiership points by relinquishing home ground advantage, notwithstanding the cultural significance of the team's connection to the Red Centre? 

        • Thanks
      • 4 replies
      Demonland

    • PREGAME: Collingwood

      After a disappointing loss in Alice Springs the Demons return to the MCG to take on the Magpies in the annual King's Birthday Big Freeze for MND game. Who comes in and who goes out?

        • Thanks
      • 170 replies
      Demonland

    • PODCAST: St. Kilda

      The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 2nd June @ 8:00pm. Join Binman, George & I as we have a chat with former Demon ruckman Jeff White about his YouTube channel First Use where he dissects ruck setups and contests. We'll then discuss the Dees disappointing loss to the Saints in Alice Springs.
      Your questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show.
      Listen LIVE: https://demonland.com/

        • Thanks
      • 46 replies
      Demonland

    • POSTGAME: St. Kilda

      After kicking the first goal of the match the Demons were always playing catch up against the Saints in Alice Spring and could never make the most of their inside 50 entries to wrestle back the lead.

        • Thanks
        • Like
      • 328 replies
      Demonland

    • VOTES: St. Kilda

      Max Gawn still has a massive lead in the Demonland Player of the Year award as Christian Petracca, Jake Bowey, Clayton Oliver & Kozzy Pickett round out the Top 5. Your votes please. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2 & 1

        • Thanks
        • Like
      • 31 replies
      Demonland
    View All