On 27/08/2019 at 05:35, chookrat said:

SWYL I agree they need mature players which is why I think picks 1 and 2 provide good currency to trade with. They could potentially turn those two pics into 3-4 A grade players that could provide some leadership. Older sides like Hawthorn, Adelaide, West Coast and Collingwood for example would consider moving on a 24-26 year old or two to get some young talent in and relieve salary cap pressure. 

and so they take a mature player that a big power club or a GWS can afford to move on and the power club gets salary cap relief and a chance to refresh at the pointy end of the draft. Is it any wonder the power clubs dominate.

Ripples and flow ons

  On 27/08/2019 at 05:44, SaberFang said:

Worked out great sacrificing Kelly for Salem and two blokes that aren't even at the club anymore. 

made this point on the trading thread. Over there they seem to think splitting the pick is the smart thing. I think its the dumb conservative move.

  On 27/08/2019 at 05:46, Diamond_Jim said:

and so they take a mature player that a big power club or a GWS can afford to move on and the power club gets salary cap relief and a chance to refresh at the pointy end of the draft. Is it any wonder the power clubs dominate.

Ripples and flow ons

Yep and we get what’s left

Whorethorn have already started today

I wish people would stop calling other clubs power clubs. Why is MFC not a “power” club? We should be but we won’t be as long as this attitude prevails: that MFC is full of weak, gutless loser gentle players and an administration that has no idea and doesn’t have any pride. Where is our home? Where are our facilities? Where is their heart?

  On 27/08/2019 at 07:25, Skin Deeamond said:

I wish people would stop calling other clubs power clubs. Why is MFC not a “power” club? We should be but we won’t be as long as this attitude prevails: that MFC is full of weak, gutless loser gentle players and an administration that has no idea and doesn’t have any pride. Where is our home? Where are our facilities? Where is their heart?

okay... who is our 27-28 year old player who is paid very well that we could move on in such a trade.

Essendon have Hurley for example and I am sure we can go through each of the power clubs and list similar players.

Even our magnificent crop of youngsters...Oliver Brayshaw and Petracca are being questioned. Last years draft does not look like world beaters. May and Lever are well they're May and Lever and one could go on.

2020 is a BIG year.

  On 27/08/2019 at 07:32, Diamond_Jim said:

okay... who is our 27-28 year old player who is paid very well that we could move on in such a trade.

Essendon have Hurley for example and I am sure we can go through each of the power clubs and list similar players.

Even our magnificent crop of youngsters...Oliver Brayshaw and Petracca are being questioned. Last years draft does not look like world beaters. May and Lever are well they're May and Lever and one could go on.

2020 is a BIG year.

I didn’t mention a trade.

  On 27/08/2019 at 05:42, Dee tention said:

Sounds like the Dees will split there Pick.

Melbourne's first pick at this year's NAB AFL Draft is up for grabs
http://m.afl.com.au/news/2019-08-27/pick-no2-on-the-table-dees-looking-to-split-their-top-selection

This is a shallOw draft. If we move outside of the top 6 we are absolutely bonkers. Let me guess, some bolter inside mid that no one had heard of a month ago is currently in our sights? 

All these AFL.com articles are foreshadowing GC getting pick 1 PP, talking about a PP as if that before R1 PP were the only option rather than something more reasonable like an end of R1 PP, like the lions got when they were rubbish. Look at where they are now with a decent coach. Ditch that fat [censored] Dew.

Edited August 27, 20195 yr by TheoX

Remember this is just the start...

The CEO of GCS was interviewed on this subject mid year and he was saying they needed systemic preferential treatment. Priority picks and then salary cap relief (think COLA) so they can keep their players. Given that its AFL money which pays the salaries this is so ironic.

Plus they have asked for NT to be their exclusive zone/academy.

Edited August 27, 20195 yr by Diamond_Jim

  On 27/08/2019 at 08:50, TheoX said:

All these AFL.com articles are foreshadowing GC getting pick 1 PP, talking about a PP as if that before R1 PP were the only option rather than something more reasonable like an end of R1 PP, like the lions got when they were rubbish. Look at where they are now with a decent coach. Ditch that fat [censored] Dew.

Dew's coaching them very well. They are just super young and super injured, neither of which is his fault. But yes, as long as they stop leaking players like crazy they'll bounce back. The thing is they have way more talent than when Melbourne or Carlton were bad.

In 2 years a team that has: Bowes, Ainsworth, Fiorini, Brodie, Ballard, Miller, Weller, Powell, Wright, Ben King, Rankine, Lukosius and pick 1 will be incredibly well placed. That's 13 players taken in the top 25 or so draft picks.

When Roos took over we had Hogan, Viney, Nath Jones and not a lot more.

  On 27/08/2019 at 08:50, TheoX said:

Ditch that fat [censored] Dew.

You realize Goodwin was the second choice for us behind Dew?

  On 27/08/2019 at 05:55, Sir Why You Little said:

Yep and we get what’s left

Whorethorn have already started today

In good news SWYL, Coniglio has spurned both the Hawks & Blues to stay at GWS for 7 more years.

  On 27/08/2019 at 01:15, Sir Why You Little said:

Pity it's not Viney on the table instead

Angus will become a very very good player, I don't want to see that in an opposition jumper.

 

  On 27/08/2019 at 00:43, Demon3 said:

My mail is really strong that the Suns will not trade any of Pick 1 & 2 and that both Rowell and Anderson want to be drafted together, great mates and more than happy to go to the Suns. The AFL see this as the Brisbane model and a way of genuinely keeping them together at the Suns.

So its pick 3 and we take the best skilled player available the one who is the best kick, probably Young from all reports. The next thing to look at is to see how we can get another top 10 pick.  And i genuinely think this will revolve around Brayshaw. he is currently our most expendable top end talent worthy of trade bait. I believe in the coming days we will hear this to be true and that Brayshaw will very much be  on the table to the likes of Freo, and also St Kilda.

I think it would be a massive mistake to trade Brayshaw.  I can understand why he is expendable when he plays both an outside and inside role. 

Why do they need 2 top 10 picks?  We have pick 2 or 3 and a Brayshaw is a top 10 pick himself. 

They would want to be landing a big fish rather than just getting in kids.

  On 27/08/2019 at 09:19, Demon Disciple said:

In good news SWYL, Coniglio has spurned both the Hawks & Blues to stay at GWS for 7 more years.

They will still haggle for burgoyne

but yes Happy That Whorethorn and Carlscum were snubbed for the Big deal!!

  On 26/08/2019 at 23:01, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Yes it's a bit unfair but I can't believe it's gotten to the point we're upset we're getting pick 3 instead of pick 2. Those days should be well and truly behind us.

The days of relying for help from the AFL (ie. getting pick 3 as compo for losing Frawley) should be well and truly behind us. 

Yeah they should be behind us, but if you have a good look at our list and lack of deapth, we need every pick we can get and we cant afford to stuff them up or there will be several teams we wont catch for another ten years.

  On 26/08/2019 at 22:18, Redleg said:

Can I give you my old microwave for your brand new 75 TV?

Same deal.

Wasn’t a genuine suggestion... BUT GC do need players who actually want to live in Qld. Miserable if they’re all homesick. They have culture problems more than talent problems.

The Wagner boys are good footballers, at their ‘peak’ and well liked guys. They’d be a good addition to the GC squad.

So more seriously, both Wagners plus 2020 first round for King?

They surely don’t need another 2019 draft pick, and no high level player is going to GC.

What will St Kilda offer that’s better?

I don't mind trading down for 2 picks, still some good players available who I have seen and been impressed with

Jeremy Sharp good run and carry player who uses the ball well could be played off a HBF

Elijah Taylor small/medium forward who IMO is better than Liam Henry with more upside

  On 27/08/2019 at 09:17, Lord Nev said:

You realize Goodwin was the second choice for us behind Dew?

Yes. And thank god the Swans blocked us from getting him.

  On 27/08/2019 at 09:06, DeeSpencer said:

Dew's coaching them very well. They are just super young and super injured, neither of which is his fault. But yes, as long as they stop leaking players like crazy they'll bounce back. The thing is they have way more talent than when Melbourne or Carlton were bad.

In 2 years a team that has: Bowes, Ainsworth, Fiorini, Brodie, Ballard, Miller, Weller, Powell, Wright, Ben King, Rankine, Lukosius and pick 1 will be incredibly well placed. That's 13 players taken in the top 25 or so draft picks.

When Roos took over we had Hogan, Viney, Nath Jones and not a lot more.

Fair enough. Super young super injured, super talented are all reasons we were knocked back a few years ago for a PP when our record was far worse than GC's. Double standards, but that's the AFL I 'spose.

  On 27/08/2019 at 11:22, TheoX said:

Yes. And thank god the Swans blocked us from getting him.

We're 1 spot above GC on the ladder mate.

  On 26/08/2019 at 11:03, Panamapapers said:

So dees supporters who think we are entitled to pick 2 should hang their heads in shame. 

We’re entitled to pick 2 because we finished second last. Would I prefer we actually did what most of us here expected to do and back up last year with finals? Of course. 

But the team that finishes second last gets pick 2. 

Gold Coast getting another top 2 pick isn’t surprising but it’s not going to solve the issue. They should’ve instead been given multiple additional picks lower down (say top 20-30) that they’d have to trade and go after senior players that can help build something there. 

They are a rudderless ship and to send another top two draft prospect there not going to fix their larger issues. 

  On 27/08/2019 at 11:47, Pates said:

We’re entitled to pick 2 because we finished second last. Would I prefer we actually did what most of us here expected to do and back up last year with finals? Of course. 

But the team that finishes second last gets pick 2. 

Gold Coast getting another top 2 pick isn’t surprising but it’s not going to solve the issue. They should’ve instead been given multiple additional picks lower down (say top 20-30) that they’d have to trade and go after senior players that can help build something there. 

They are a rudderless ship and to send another top two draft prospect there not going to fix their larger issues. 

and this is more or less why i'm not concerned about them getting two high picks

it's not going to change any of the underlying issues

so basically given last year and this, Gold Coast get a complete second crack at a truck load of early picks despite their failures.

 

but we win 2 and 4 games and get what ? this competition is a joke.

We've been stuffed by the AFL and/or the expansion clubs every time we bottom out

  On 27/08/2019 at 01:06, DubDee said:

After we were gifted pick 3 for Chip I don't think we can complain about handouts to GC

We weren’t gifted that pick. It was the appropriate compensation according to the existing rules.