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[Wiseblood 24,637]

19 minutes ago, goodwindees said:

Bottom line Kangas have recruited Higgins, Polec, Pittard over recent years, all players with pace and dash that walk into the Dees. 

Polec and Pittard were ripping recruits.  Got their coach sacked.

[goodwindees 2,586]

Well, I do know for an absolute fact that we did not submit any offers for Dustin, Kelly, DeGoey & Coniglio.  The only player from all that list that we spoke to his manager about was Kelly. 

As I reported a year or so back, All Clubs were told that Kelly was only interested in considering 3 clubs. GWS, Carlton & Kangas. He re-signed with GWS. 

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14 minutes ago, goodwindees said:

They might, however, on balance they have already a better one in Tarrant. Great player, great bloke, great clubman.  Plays every week, no fuss.

My point is that I used the Kangas to demonstrate a club that has really managed their TPP far better than what I believe the Dees have.  

They’ve owned us for 10 years but have had a real crack at the superstars of our game and came within a bees [censored] of landing Dustin Martin. 

So they say.

Loose lips.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

4 minutes ago, goodwindees said:

Well, I do know for an absolute fact that we did not submit any offers for Dustin, Kelly, DeGoey & Coniglio.  The only player from all that list that we spoke to his manager about was Kelly. 

As I reported a year or so back, All Clubs were told that Kelly was only interested in considering 3 clubs. GWS, Carlton & Kangas. He re-signed with GWS. 

Just because we didn't submit an offer, Damien, does not mean we didn't ask the question.  We may have rung, got told of either their lack of interest, or what the terms would be, and went from there.

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25 minutes ago, goodwindees said:

They might, however, on balance they have already a better one in Tarrant. Great player, great bloke, great clubman.  Plays every week, no fuss.

My point is that I used the Kangas to demonstrate a club that has really managed their TPP far better than what I believe the Dees have.  

They’ve owned us for 10 years but have had a real crack at the superstars of our game and came within a bees [censored] of landing Dustin Martin. 

Damn it... I wish we were good enough to nearly land Dusty.

[Adam The God 30,644]

57 minutes ago, goodwindees said:

Well, I do know for an absolute fact that we did not submit any offers for Dustin, Kelly, DeGoey & Coniglio.  The only player from all that list that we spoke to his manager about was Kelly. 

As I reported a year or so back, All Clubs were told that Kelly was only interested in considering 3 clubs. GWS, Carlton & Kangas. He re-signed with GWS. 

Why would we pay a multi-million dollar, multi-year contract for someone like Martin, who would throw our cap out, and make it difficult to keep the likes of Oliver and Brayshaw? 

Whereas, the Kelly approach would make sense, since his ball use and pace is exactly what our midfield needs. Sometimes to fill a specific need that compliments the rest of the list, you need to pay overs. 

That all sounds like smart list management and strategy to me.

The offers from North to Martin and co has desperation written all over them.

I'm glad you're not in charge of list management. You'd have us sunk in 3 years.

Edited September 15, 2019 by A F

[rjay 25,345]

40 minutes ago, goodwindees said:

As I reported a year or so back, All Clubs were told that Kelly was only interested in considering 3 clubs. GWS, Carlton & Kangas. He re-signed with GWS. 

Good see you posting on here 'Purple'...

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1 hour ago, goodwindees said:

Rubbish. Kangas shot for the stars and they missed going for the absolute best in the industry. My point was, despite massively outperforming MFC for the last 10 years, they had the Salary Cap to have a real crack at Kelly, De Goey & Martin.  MFC couldn’t.

FCS, don’t crow about recruiting a 3rd tall defender that had knee reconstruction history on enormous money and over paid with draft picks. Plus a fat, unfit May who we once again were the ONLY club in the picture because we had the very low Pick 6 and we were willing to pay him Hogan’s money which was far more than anyone else was willing to do. 

Bottom line Kangas have recruited Higgins, Polec, Pittard over recent years, all players with pace and dash that walk into the Dees. 

Higgins has been at north for 5 seasons already. Hardly recent. 

Pittard is a turnover merchant, would have us all pulling our hair out. He’s barely afl standard.

Polec is a good player. That’s it.

[Young Blood 2,639]

10 hours ago, Forest Demon said:

Last night backed up my earlier impressions of him. He is just a bit part player, doesn’t really influence the game, but is tidy enough and can plug a variety of holes. I’m still not convinced he will add much to the side tbh, and also unsure what role we primarily have in mind for him.

Last night was easily his worst game for the season.

His best position is on a wing where his running capacity and marking are a feature. It has been stated by many that this is where he will most likely play with a faster type like Langdon occupying the other wing.

[old55 23,847]

14 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Do you understand the math... the highest paid players are in the 26 to 28 year old bracket.

We don't have any high performers in that bracket other than Gawn so of course we are managing our cap well.

If Oliver, Brayshaw and Petracca go A grade and hit 25 plus say Salem at A-  tell me how good we are then.

Anyway the fact remains that at 500k and above he is in the top one third salary wise of the league. Does he deserve that.

If you just want to say the "club know best" all the time why do you bother commenting.

You've already conceded you don't know the structure of contracts so even if he is on $2M over 4 years, he might be heavily front loaded and getting $200k in the 4th year when we need the cap space.  Do those maths.

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

12 hours ago, goodwindees said:

Well, I do know for an absolute fact that we did not submit any offers for Dustin, Kelly, DeGoey & Coniglio.  The only player from all that list that we spoke to his manager about was Kelly. 

As I reported a year or so back, All Clubs were told that Kelly was only interested in considering 3 clubs. GWS, Carlton & Kangas. He re-signed with GWS. 

Submitting offers and being told not to bother are two different things.

Makes the AFL FA a joke really. Good ol AFL integrity.

[Lucifers Hero 40,555]

12 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Polec and Pittard were ripping recruits.  Got their coach sacked.

When was Hinkley sacked?

#checkfacts

For the record, Polec and Pittard have been very good recruits for North, especially for the relatively low cost:  The Kangaroos have sent Pick 11 and a future fourth-round selection to the Power in exchange for Jared Polec and Jasper Pittard, along with Pick 48.

It was shrewd play of their pick #11 as it enabled them to get their New Gen Academy player, Tarryn Thomas, for a handful of later picks.  Thomas was called at pick #8 which North matched. 

So for pick #11 =/- later picks North got Thomas, Polec and Pittard.  On balance that is a better 'package' than anything we have put together.

 

Edit:  Thanks to @Salems Lot for correction of the first two lines and apology to Wiseblood for the hashtag...just having first coffee for the day. 

Nonetheless, its not their fault Scott left and the rest of my post is valid which was to address negative comments about North's trading.

Edited September 15, 2019 by Lucifer's Hero

[Salems Lot 2,691]

6 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

When was Hinkley sacked?

#checkfacts

 

For the record, Polec and Pittard have been very good recruits for North, especially for the relatively low cost:  The Kangaroos have sent Pick 11 and a future fourth-round selection to the Power in exchange for Jared Polec and Jasper Pittard, along with Pick 48.

It was shrewd play of their pick #11 as it enabled them to get their New Gen Academy player, Tarryn Thomas, for a handful of later picks.  Thomas was called at pick #8 which North matched. 

So for pick #11 =/- later picks North got Thomas, Polec and Pittard.  On balance that is a better 'package' than anything we have put together.

I think he is referring to Brad Scott 

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12 hours ago, goodwindees said:

Rubbish. Kangas shot for the stars and they missed going for the absolute best in the industry. My point was, despite massively outperforming MFC for the last 10 years, they had the Salary Cap to have a real crack at Kelly, De Goey & Martin.  MFC couldn’t.

FCS, don’t crow about recruiting a 3rd tall defender that had knee reconstruction history on enormous money and over paid with draft picks. Plus a fat, unfit May who we once again were the ONLY club in the picture because we had the very low Pick 6 and we were willing to pay him Hogan’s money which was far more than anyone else was willing to do. 

Bottom line Kangas have recruited Higgins, Polec, Pittard over recent years, all players with pace and dash that walk into the Dees. 

Dusty and his management used the Kangas as leverage to get the best possible deal from Rich.

There was no way in the world he would have gone to the Kangas, their list shape they were in and still are is abhorrent.

Wreaked of desperation at the time and still does. They are nowhere near a Premiership, they are just a top up club with no significant list plan. 

Pretty sure they got rid of their list manager this year too who followed Brad Scott out the door.

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

When was Hinkley sacked?

#checkfacts

For the record, Polec and Pittard have been very good recruits for North, especially for the relatively low cost:  The Kangaroos have sent Pick 11 and a future fourth-round selection to the Power in exchange for Jared Polec and Jasper Pittard, along with Pick 48.

It was shrewd play of their pick #11 as it enabled them to get their New Gen Academy player, Tarryn Thomas, for a handful of later picks.  Thomas was called at pick #8 which North matched. 

So for pick #11 =/- later picks North got Thomas, Polec and Pittard.  On balance that is a better 'package' than anything we have put together.

 

Edit:  Thanks to @Salems Lot for correction of the first two lines and apology to Wiseblood for the hashtag...just having first coffee for the day. 

Nonetheless, its not their fault Scott left and the rest of my post is valid which was to address negative comments about North's trading.

No worries LH.  I was being a bit facetious with that line as, of course, it wasn't all their fault.  But they were recruited to push North into finals contention and it didn't happen.

As a side note, I wouldn't say no to having Polec on a wing.  

[Lucifers Hero 40,555]

Saints appear to have lost interest.

"Melbourne appears to be leading the race to acquire Tomlinson, with St Kilda linked to him again, although the Saints have other things in play right now".

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Are we the only ones interested?

[AshleyH30 566]

16 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Saints appear to have lost interest.

"Melbourne appears to be leading the race to acquire Tomlinson, with St Kilda linked to him again, although the Saints have other things in play right now".

trade-news-rumours-whispers

Are we the only ones interested?

I think it's more to do with the money/trade for Hill, Ryder, Zac Jones, etc is the reason they've cooled. They're targeting everyone, and only latching onto the ones that bite their line.

Also, it doesn't say they've lost interest, only that their focus is elsewhere (ie. Focusing on the Hill trade).

Edited September 16, 2019 by AshleyH30

[Dr. Gonzo 24,457]

12 hours ago, godees said:

Higgins has been at north for 5 seasons already. Hardly recent. 

Pittard is a turnover merchant, would have us all pulling our hair out. He’s barely afl standard.

Polec is a good player. That’s it.

If we paid $800k a year for Polec this place would go into meltdown

[Dr. Gonzo 24,457]

16 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Saints appear to have lost interest.

"Melbourne appears to be leading the race to acquire Tomlinson, with St Kilda linked to him again, although the Saints have other things in play right now".

trade-news-rumours-whispers

Are we the only ones interested?

They've lost interest because he has decided to come to us.

[binman 44,683]

19 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Saints appear to have lost interest.

"Melbourne appears to be leading the race to acquire Tomlinson, with St Kilda linked to him again, although the Saints have other things in play right now".

trade-news-rumours-whispers

Are we the only ones interested?

I suspect that these days deals are by in large locked in well before the trade period begins so little value in staying in a race you are not going to win.

Sure staying in the race might drive up the price another club has to pay but what comes around goes around and whilst the player managers love to play that game i doubt the clubs do.

Edited September 16, 2019 by binman

[Wiseblood 24,637]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

If we paid $800k a year for Polec this place would go into meltdown

At the moment it seems that if Wayne Carey was in his prime and wanting to join Melbourne that most of the board would go into meltdown about paying him 800k a year.

[Bring-Back-Powell 15,346]

2 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Saints appear to have lost interest.

"Melbourne appears to be leading the race to acquire Tomlinson, with St Kilda linked to him again, although the Saints have other things in play right now".

trade-news-rumours-whispers

Are we the only ones interested?

Lost interest on the back of his performance on Saturday night?

[binman 44,683]

7 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Lost interest on the back of his performance on Saturday night?

Sure why not. Coz that's how professional recruiting teams roll.

[AshleyH30 566]

The assumption that any potential recruit would be evaluated off of 1 game is almost laughable, and I say almost because i couldn't fathom how stupid a recruiting team would have to be if they did so. The fact that some here have based their decision to recruit Tomlinson on Saturday's game, and haven't seen his last 80 games for GWS, is idiotic. Sure, he's no world beater, but he's a damn good pick up for the price we'll be paying him. Him and Langdon on the wings? We've been screaming out for something like it all season!

Edited September 16, 2019 by AshleyH30

[Demons11 7,128]

Tomlinson and Langdon are locks.