Demons Grand Plan for Yarra Park Training HQ

[Cards13 9,117]

Like how much time would those old floppers actually spend inside Yarra Park? 1% of the day? Like they own the space, entitled boomers are the worst.

[DV8 2,271]

We must be based next to the Richmond Railway Station. Our social hub has to be right at the station and overlook our training facility. Even if we have to build over Olympic Boulevard to do that.

Easy access to public transport is a MUST.   For dining patrons and for our supporters with disability.   Not to mention functions before and after.

Its time this Demon outfit was turned into a True Blue Aussie-Rules CLUB. for all people.

 

An Social & Office setup above the section of tram tracks that turn past the Clay Tennis Courts of Tennis Australia would benefit public transport users as it will allow some undercover shelter for Hot Summer'y or Winter'y conditions, servicing the precinct.

 

It would need be built Over the Tram tracks & the section of parkland at opposite 112 Olympic Boulevard Melbourne Vic, and across Olympic Boulevard right to the edge of Gosch's Paddock...  Overseeing the training grounds.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/112+Olympic+Blvd,+Melbourne+VIC+3004/@-37.8243201,144.9869602,418m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x6ad642943affc621:0x23259ce926eaf48e!8m2!3d-37.8245886!4d144.9868238!5m1!1e4

 

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[hemingway 7,631]

10 minutes ago, DV8 said:

We must be based next to the Richmond Railway Station. Our social hub has to be right at the station and overlook our training facility. Even if we have to build over Olympic Boulevard to do that.

Easy access to public transport is a MUST.   For dining patrons and for our supporters with disability.   Not to mention functions before and after.

Its time this Demon outfit was turned into a True Blue Aussie-Rules CLUB. for all people.

 

An Social & Office setup above the section of tram tracks that turn past the Clay Tennis Courts of Tennis Australia would benefit public transport users as it will allow some undercover shelter for Hot Summer'y or Winter'y conditions, servicing the precinct.

 

It would need be built Over the Tram tracks & the section of parkland at opposite 112 Olympic Boulevard Melbourne Vic, and across Olympic Boulevard right to the edge of Gosch's Paddock...  Overseeing the training grounds.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/112+Olympic+Blvd,+Melbourne+VIC+3004/@-37.8243201,144.9869602,418m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x6ad642943affc621:0x23259ce926eaf48e!8m2!3d-37.8245886!4d144.9868238!5m1!1e4

 

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DV8, you have my vote.  We need imagination and to think big. 

If we accept next best we have lost the game. We are Melbourne. Our heart is Melbourne. Emotionally, , historically, tradition wise, and our future is Melbourne. Our future is not a facility in the burbs that has no relevance to our history or our future. 

[John Demonic 5,850]

38 minutes ago, Demon_spurs said:

How about Fed square, never really quite got the architecture, there,

• Build a Gym in the VR ballroom across the road,
• central,
• close to public transport, and
• across the road from Y and J's  

Perfect

 

OH and sign up Apple as our new BOJ sponser

We could create an AFLX rectanglur pitch in the upstairs Flinders Street ball room

Edited November 21, 2018 by John Demonic

[deebug 1,754]

Well then what about over the rail line just after fed square?

[Moonshadow 17,677]

5 hours ago, old dee said:

Why ? The Hawks left their home land 20 years ago and they seem to have done alright since.

They are now moving to Dingly, not exactly close to Hawthorn.

The undeniable problem is that with the exception of Goschs there is no viable alternative in the inner suburbs.

IMO it is make Goschs work or head for the outer suburbs.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc, old dee.

Why not on the recently cleared site across the tracks from Festival Hall? Plenty of space, inner city blank canvas.

Edited November 21, 2018 by Moonshadow

[whatwhat say what 22,945]

Would love to see us based at Orrong Park in Toorak but it’s far too small and lacks anything like the required facilities 

[rjay 25,088]

I suspect something is brewing and very much doubt that we would only have plan A (Yarra Park) unless we had some assurances that it's a goer.

It's quite possible we have another proposed site and this is all just part of the long game. The Yarra proposal may well be smoke and mirrors.

We brought Pert on for his expertise in these type of projects so lets see what he brings to the table.

[DV8 2,271]

2 hours ago, hemingway said:

DV8, you have my vote.  We need imagination and to think big. 

If we accept next best we have lost the game. We are Melbourne. Our heart is Melbourne. Emotionally, , historically, tradition wise, and our future is Melbourne. Our future is not a facility in the burbs that has no relevance to our history or our future. 

Nor hidden a a treelined cul-de-sac... off broadway.  We are not the stuffy Melbourne club.

 

We should be out & about for all to see, and know its us.   High Profile site.

 

We are the original Australian Rules footy club, for Hells sake..  the Melbourne Footy Club.  Where all are welcome, to come and to enjoy. a Three or Four story building, adjoining Richmond station, and bridging over the 'Olympic Boulevard' Tram lines and footpaths, & that peers over and through the trees surrounding Gosch's Paddock is Us.

 

Building across Olympic Boulevard is easier and cheaper to do, than to build above and over the Jolimont Rail-line.

And especially so, in conjunction with the building over of the Richmond Railyards and lines... that will join the McG to the Richmond station, in near future.

Edited November 21, 2018 by DV8

[CBDees 3,167]

6 hours ago, DV8 said:

Nor hidden a a treelined cul-de-sac... off broadway.  We are not the stuffy Melbourne club.

 

We should be out & about for all to see, and know its us.   High Profile site.

 

We are the original Australian Rules footy club, for Hells sake..  the Melbourne Footy Club.  Where all are welcome, to come and to enjoy. a Three or Four story building, adjoining Richmond station, and bridging over the 'Olympic Boulevard' Tram lines and footpaths, & that peers over and through the trees surrounding Gosch's Paddock is Us.

 

Building across Olympic Boulevard is easier and cheaper to do, than to build above and over the Jolimont Rail-line.

And especially so, in conjunction with the building over of the Richmond Railyards and lines... that will join the McG to the Richmond station, in near future.

Doesn’t need to remain Gosch’s Paddock! Simply swap with the other codes so that we are the one right on Olympic Boulevard  (and our new facilities spanning it)!

[jackaub 1,402]

19 hours ago, ProDee said:

I no longer have a mob, George.

They equally sicken me.

I am completely with you PRO

 

[Dr. Gonzo 24,297]

16 hours ago, old dee said:

Like most things the Greens go on about it has little to do with fact and a lot to do with emotion.

Logic will get very little chance here CBDees

This isn't greens it's NIMBY's

[old dee 23,872]

10 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

Post hoc ergo propter hoc, old dee.

Why not on the recently cleared site across the tracks from Festival Hall? Plenty of space, inner city blank canvas.

Sadly I will be in the ground before the first sod is turned on that idea Mr.Shadow.

no where near the G it might as well be at Waverley.

[hemingway 7,631]

57 minutes ago, old dee said:

Sadly I will be in the ground before the first sod is turned on that idea Mr.Shadow.

no where near the G it might as well be at Waverley.

Your body might be in the ground but your spirit soul will live on OD. 

[Diamond_Jim 12,628]

Docklands has serious wind problems from my observation.

Don't laugh but is Gosch's Park plus a private subway to an admin and gym facility across the road a possibility?

Would need to be done as part of a precinct upgrade which is sure to be done anyway with Richmond station and surrounds.

[old dee 23,872]

1 hour ago, hemingway said:

Your body might be in the ground but your spirit soul will live on OD. 

Hmm I hope you are correct Ernest but I doubt it. I am pinning my hopes on no.2 GD. She is only 15 months so I will have to live a fair bit longer to get her over the line.

Get a building near Goschs is my wish probably the easiest and quickest, now to that is not say it is easy just the most likely option.

Edited November 22, 2018 by old dee

[Demon trucker 1,800]

how stupid of the club to announce this idea before an election, this things are always used as an election issue, now labour has had to reject this proposal. well done stupid club.   

[hemingway 7,631]

43 minutes ago, old dee said:

Hmm I hope you are correct Ernest but I doubt it. I am pinning my hopes on no.2 GD. She is only 15 months so I will have to live a fair bit longer to get her over the line.

Get a building near Goschs is my wish probably the easiest and quickest, now to that is not say it is easy just the most likely option.

Nice touch with GD 2. You will definitely live on.

And our alter egos will have a drink together at the new Social Club. Along with all the other alter egos who inhabit this remarkable site.

Imagine that, all coming out!

Although we will need to ensure that the bar has a selection of single malts. 

[binman 43,762]

I don't understand why posters are suggesting the proposal is dead and buried simply because labor have said they won't 'support' the proposal. 

This statement is meaningless. A clever clogs way of not risking any votes in marginal electorates.

Firstly, i might be wrong, but it is my understanding the CoM has planning authority for yarra park, not the State government. I assume the state gov could somehow take control in the way they have with fishermen's bend but why would they?

Secondly, and of most significance, positions change and if lying is the first language of footy, well then it is the only language of politics.

I mean please would anyone seriously be surprised if a government (of any persuasion) made such statement and then did the opposite, particularly a wishy washy statement statement such as 'not support' (as opposed to a more definitive - 'we will ensure it does no proceed' - which would still not rule out a change of heart).

There are any number of examples, but a topical one is the safe injecting rooms in Richmond. Labor unequivocally opposed them prior to the last election and hey presto 3 years later opens one and starts building a proper facility. Thankfully i might add.

And by the by what a peanut Guy is for saying he will close it in his first week  if elected - despite its evident success in reducing fatal and non fatal overdoses and demand on paramedics and ambos. What sort of policy decision is that? Peanut

 

Edited November 22, 2018 by binman

[Redleg 41,428]

15 hours ago, hemingway said:

Red, I assume you would be happy if it was in your backyard ?

Any options down your way? 

If not there is a derelict Manor ripe for redevelopment down Romsey way, wherever the hell that may be.

Well it's not quite in their backyard.

How far away is the closest member of that group to Yarra Park? 

The project is designed to improve where the oval will go with nice trees and a usable ground for everyone, together with a building over a railway line. I will bet no one lives within a hundred yards of the oval and would not be able to see the building from their property. 

Most likely means there will be more people watching them not pick up their dog droppings and that is why they are against it.

How lucky are they to live not too far from Yarra Park and the gardens opposite the Hilton?

[old dee 23,872]

2 minutes ago, hemingway said:

Nice touch with GD 2. You will definitely live on.

And our alter egos will have a drink together at the new Social Club. Along with all the other alter egos who inhabit this remarkable site.

Imagine that, all coming out!

Although we will need to ensure that the bar has a selection of single malts. 

Top of the list Ernest.

I must say having a social club does little for me.

I just want a good training and Office set up for the players and sundry officials.

Achieve that I will be very happy and to be honest I don't care where it is located.

[old dee 23,872]

4 minutes ago, binman said:

I don't understand why posters are suggesting the proposal is dead and buried simply because labor have said they won't 'support' the proposal. 

This statement is meaningless. A clever clogs way of not risking any votes in marginal electorates.

Firstly, i might be wrong, but it is my understanding the CoM has planning authority for yarra park, not the State government. I assume the state gov could somehow take control in the way they have with fishermen's bend but why would they?

Secondly, and of most significance, positions change and if lying is the first language of footy, well then it is the only language of politics.

I mean please would anyone seriously be surprised if a government (of any persuasion) made such statement and then did the opposite, particularly a wishy washy statement statement such as 'not support' (as opposed to a more definitive - 'we will ensure it does no proceed' - which would still not rule out a change of heart).

There are any number of examples, but a topical one is the safe injecting rooms in Richmond. Labor unequivocally opposed them prior to the last election and hey presto 3 years later opens one and starts building a proper facility. Thankfully i might add.

And by the by what a peanut Guy is for saying he will close it in his first week  if elected - despite its evident success in reducing fatal and non fatal overdoses and demand on paramedics and ambos. What sort of policy decision is that? Peanut

 

Not one sod will be turned in our lifetimes binman. I am glad I am not as dead as that project.

The most likely out come of the election is a Labor and Greens government. It does not have a pray in hell chance while there are Greens pulling the strings. Second most likely is a Libs win, no chance even in Hell.

[binman 43,762]

10 minutes ago, old dee said:

Not one sod will be turned in our lifetimes binman. I am glad I am not as dead as that project.

The most likely out come of the election is a Labor and Greens government. It does not have a pray in hell chance while there are Greens pulling the strings. Second most likely is a Libs win, no chance even in Hell.

Wrong on 2 of  3 counts OD (pardon the pun). Well more accurate to say wrong on the second and i disagree with the first 

I think the project will happen.

Labor will win this election easily and will not have to rely on the Greens to form government. 

Odds are not everything - and really they simply reflect polling - but currently labor are 1.14 to win the election. That is seriously short. Shorter than Winx. For context they were 1.70 two weeks ago, and 1.20 yesterday. 

But the more interesting market is for the likelihood of a majority government being formed. Two weeks ago it was basically even money. it is now 1.40. This is a refection of the fact The Greens have had a horror two weeks. Could not have been worse for them.

And for those dismissing the odds as meaningless, i'd say two things. Seriously big money is now bet on elections. And there is very little emotion involved.

Secondly whilst polling has been been sketchy in recent times i think that might be a blip and are likely to be pretty accurate this year - particularly with so many votes having already been cast.

[CBDees 3,167]

1 hour ago, don't make me angry said:

how stupid of the club to announce this idea before an election, this things are always used as an election issue, now labour has had to reject this proposal. well done stupid club.   

They didn’t announce it before the election! The East Melbourne Group (of Nimbbys) are using it to pressure the politicians of all parties into opposing it! None of their leaders are likely to vote Green but they are using the process to their advantage as they know that this is the month when the politicians are likely to support/oppose anything that will get them votes!

[Moonshadow 17,677]

4 hours ago, old dee said:

Sadly I will be in the ground before the first sod is turned on that idea Mr.Shadow.

no where near the G it might as well be at Waverley.

We could bury you under a new training oval, old dee. Then you could give some brilliant training reports from the other side!

Edited November 22, 2018 by Moonshadow