On 01/08/2019 at 00:01, Demon3 said:

Just saw on twitter that Pick 2 and Pick 20 - Freo

Hill & Pick 7 - Demons.

would deal.

I like pick 7. Seems always to land really good players.

 

  On 01/08/2019 at 00:18, spirit of norm smith said:

Tempting.  Just remembering the Josh Kelly trade outcome so a little cautious.  

Pick 2 is Anderson or Rowell. Serious guns. 

So were Scully and Trengove. Before the draft. Both turned out to be "good ordinary" players for various reasons.

Im happy to trade for a known quantity because our so called window just narrowed like a clogged artery.

Think of the trade as a footballing Stent.

Going back to drafting young kids en-mass is a Bypass (rebuild)

Yes im desperate for a premiership before i die.

  On 01/08/2019 at 00:01, Demon3 said:

Just saw on twitter that Pick 2 and Pick 20 - Freo

Hill & Pick 7 - Demons.

would deal.

If GC get a priority pick and we go back to 3 then I reckon 3 + 2020 2nd for pick 8, Hill & Langdon would be around the mark.

  On 01/08/2019 at 00:28, Kent said:

so who is available and looking like picks 3 to 7 if Anderson and Rowell are stand outs

The value of the pick is always relative to the depth of the pool.

Last year there were 7 standouts who, as individuals, could have viably occupied top 5 spots in most draft pools. 

This year there are 2 in Rowell and Anderson, which makes 1 & 2 more valuable than usual (and not necessarily reflected in draft points calculated value alone).

The next group is starts with Hayden Young (who is not far off to being up there with Rowell and Anderson). In the scenario where GC chose Anderson first and we still held pick 2, I’d select Young over Rowell, as he’d be an excellent fit for us. Reminds me of Heppell at the same age, but his kick may have greater penetration. Has super vision and executes under pressure as well.

 

After Young, there is Lachie Ash, Dylan Stephens (both with pace and good kicking skills, so also reasonable fits for us), Tom Green (GWS Academy), Kemp and Luke Jackson. There are others on the fringe of top 10 calibre, but potentially you have 8 or so identifiable top 10 quality talents (and being a ruckman, Jackson won’t go that high, but Serong probably will). Once you get to pick 8 you have variable quality, and I reckon comparitive first round quality goes to about pick 16 (this includes highly rated guys like Dylan Williams and Cameron Taheny whose stock took a hit after poor Championships).

2^nd round quality runs to about 31 (short of our third round selection, 38 at this stage).

Given our 2^nd rd pick is close to a first round selection (may be inside pick 20 after Tom Green bids are in), I’d package that along with our third (or next year’s second) to get a late first round pick to send to Freo for Hill.

  On 01/08/2019 at 01:57, ChaserJ said:

The value of the pick is always relative to the depth of the pool.

Last year there were 7 standouts who, as individuals, could have viably occupied top 5 spots in most draft pools. 

This year there are 2 in Rowell and Anderson, which makes 1 & 2 more valuable than usual (and not necessarily reflected in draft points calculated value alone).

The next group is starts with Hayden Young (who is not far off to being up there with Rowell and Anderson). In the scenario where GC chose Anderson first and we still held pick 2, I’d select Young over Rowell, as he’d be an excellent fit for us. Reminds me of Heppell at the same age, but his kick may have greater penetration. Has super vision and executes under pressure as well.

 

After Young, there is Lachie Ash, Dylan Stephens (both with pace and good kicking skills, so also reasonable fits for us), Tom Green (GWS Academy), Kemp and Luke Jackson. There are others on the fringe of top 10 calibre, but potentially you have 8 or so identifiable top 10 quality talents (and being a ruckman, Jackson won’t go that high, but Serong probably will). Once you get to pick 8 you have variable quality, and I reckon comparitive first round quality goes to about pick 16 (this includes highly rated guys like Dylan Williams and Cameron Taheny whose stock took a hit after poor Championships).

2^nd round quality runs to about 31 (short of our third round selection, 38 at this stage).

Given our 2^nd rd pick is close to a first round selection (may be inside pick 20 after Tom Green bids are in), I’d package that along with our third (or next year’s second) to get a late first round pick to send to Freo for Hill.

Hello Chaser, hope you are well 

The Eagles are very keen on Jackson as are Freo (keep an eye on Darcy being involved in a Kelly trade)

I really liked what I seen of Kent before he did the knee,  I see a lot of upside with him and professional environment could see massive development.

What's your thoughts on him

  On 01/08/2019 at 02:27, Pennant St Dee said:

Hello Chaser, hope you are well 

The Eagles are very keen on Jackson as are Freo (keep an eye on Darcy being involved in a Kelly trade)

I really liked what I seen of Kent before he did the knee,  I see a lot of upside with him and professional environment could see massive development.

What's your thoughts on him

G’day mate,

I am very well, hope you are too.

Both WA teams would make a lot of sense as far as Jackson goes, will be interesting to see what maneouvres will be made to secure him. Probably the best rounded ruck prospect to come through since Grundy.

Was a big fan of what Kemp did in the Champs, particularly the last couple of games. His midfield game flashed a bit of Paddy Cripps, and his impact in the forward line pushed him up. He’s a true utility, i’m not sure where (or whether) he settles down in one area of the ground.

The only qualifier when trying to project how that translates into senior footy is that this crop overall is short on quality tall players (across the ground).  Kemp had a bit of a size advantage in all areas of the ground, and he used it well.  He won’t have the same advantage at senior level. He can’t do much about the size of his immediate competition at this level, although that qualifier works both ways. If I was picking between him and a comparable player (eg Sam Flanders), I’m picking Kemp because he has that size. His talent should translate, but would have been great to see a bit more of him post champs.

Given the balance of our list is currently skewed toward bigger bodied mids, I’d choose a few others ahead of him, but he’d be a great fit for almost every other club.

Have you seen much of Elijah Taylor?

  On 01/08/2019 at 03:49, ChaserJ said:

G’day mate,

I am very well, hope you are too.

Both WA teams would make a lot of sense as far as Jackson goes, will be interesting to see what maneouvres will be made to secure him. Probably the best rounded ruck prospect to come through since Grundy.

Was a big fan of what Kemp did in the Champs, particularly the last couple of games. His midfield game flashed a bit of Paddy Cripps, and his impact in the forward line pushed him up. He’s a true utility, i’m not sure where (or whether) he settles down in one area of the ground.

The only qualifier when trying to project how that translates into senior footy is that this crop overall is short on quality tall players (across the ground).  Kemp had a bit of a size advantage in all areas of the ground, and he used it well.  He won’t have the same advantage at senior level. He can’t do much about the size of his immediate competition at this level, although that qualifier works both ways. If I was picking between him and a comparable player (eg Sam Flanders), I’m picking Kemp because he has that size. His talent should translate, but would have been great to see a bit more of him post champs.

Given the balance of our list is currently skewed toward bigger bodied mids, I’d choose a few others ahead of him, but he’d be a great fit for almost every other club.

Have you seen much of Elijah Taylor?

I've only seen bits and pieces of Taylor outside of the Champs and I really like him, I think he's better than Henry and has more Xfactor. He will really develop well in the full time environment.

He's not really been part of the ststem here long, but he's good size, creates a match up issue as he is a threat in the air and good at ground level. He has speed but IMO his acceleration and evasiveness in close gives him more upside to Henry

  On 31/07/2019 at 22:43, Matsuo Basho said:

Possibly the most deluded post I've ever read.

Hi all, I'm back.

Thankfully there is at least one person with a sane head at the MFC and we will be pursuing Brad Hill with vigor.

Your personal insults don’t bother me so I don’t care if you’re banned or not, do your best. 

That said. You haven’t actually provided an opinion on Hill’s value or anything about how he plays.

800k a season and a future first round pick that reasonable could be picks 7-12, might be higher or lower but that’s my guess, no thanks. He’ll be elite for <4 years, it’s too much for 80 games on the wing. 

2 of the other top 5 wingmen right now: Ricky Henderson and Mitch Robinson. Both came free of charge.

We’re like a team with no ruck going all out at maximum price. Richmond had no ruck - got Nankervis for stuff all.

I support the May trade because gun key defenders are very hard to find. Meanwhile every team and every draft is full of guys who can get the job done on the wing.

When the Hawks turned their list around in 2009-2012 they made one big item deal for Burgoyne. A superstar. Then they found value with Gunston, Gibson, Lake and eventually got Frawley for free. 

They got Tom Mitchell for a great price, that helped them. Paying overs for O’Meara and Wingard hasn’t. 

  On 01/08/2019 at 05:44, Pennant St Dee said:

I've only seen bits and pieces of Taylor outside of the Champs and I really like him, I think he's better than Henry and has more Xfactor. He will really develop well in the full time environment.

He's not really been part of the ststem here long, but he's good size, creates a match up issue as he is a threat in the air and good at ground level. He has speed but IMO his acceleration and evasiveness in close gives him more upside to Henry

Agree, his combination of traits and size (185cms) appeals, as an overall package, more to me than Henry. I think he has the highest upside in the pool.

A trade for someone who isn't over the HILL ?

Why would Brad Hill want to come to the Dees......Just looked at his stats & averages 5.2 turnovers a game, 5 contested possessions & 2 tackles per game...... Goody & Macca won't like that!

  On 01/08/2019 at 00:18, spirit of norm smith said:

Tempting.  Just remembering the Josh Kelly trade outcome so a little cautious.  

Pick 2 is Anderson or Rowell. Serious guns. 

Serious under 18 guns and that’s all. 

Josh Kelly is a star but Salem has been brilliant this year and will be even better when we improve.  We also got Hunt in this deal, so it’s not as bad as everyone says. 

  On 01/08/2019 at 01:57, ChaserJ said:

The value of the pick is always relative to the depth of the pool.

Last year there were 7 standouts who, as individuals, could have viably occupied top 5 spots in most draft pools. 

This year there are 2 in Rowell and Anderson, which makes 1 & 2 more valuable than usual (and not necessarily reflected in draft points calculated value alone).

The next group is starts with Hayden Young (who is not far off to being up there with Rowell and Anderson). In the scenario where GC chose Anderson first and we still held pick 2, I’d select Young over Rowell, as he’d be an excellent fit for us. Reminds me of Heppell at the same age, but his kick may have greater penetration. Has super vision and executes under pressure as well.

 

After Young, there is Lachie Ash, Dylan Stephens (both with pace and good kicking skills, so also reasonable fits for us), Tom Green (GWS Academy), Kemp and Luke Jackson. There are others on the fringe of top 10 calibre, but potentially you have 8 or so identifiable top 10 quality talents (and being a ruckman, Jackson won’t go that high, but Serong probably will). Once you get to pick 8 you have variable quality, and I reckon comparitive first round quality goes to about pick 16 (this includes highly rated guys like Dylan Williams and Cameron Taheny whose stock took a hit after poor Championships).

2^nd round quality runs to about 31 (short of our third round selection, 38 at this stage).

Given our 2^nd rd pick is close to a first round selection (may be inside pick 20 after Tom Green bids are in), I’d package that along with our third (or next year’s second) to get a late first round pick to send to Freo for Hill.

Thanks Chaser 

Excellent summary really apprecciate as I am sure others on here also

We’re rated as 16th for talent under 23, no way we give up pick 2 in a trade to get Hill. We need to retain 2 to have the best chance at getting Anderson. Hill’s worth an early second rounder. 

I think we strategically leaked interest in Hill to have all parties think about Melb as an option, without us putting fwd a hard commitment, b/c we're only interested if it's the right price all round, including Hill wanting to come, salary and trade price. 

  On 01/08/2019 at 21:42, Ethan Tremblay said:

We’re rated as 16th for talent under 23, no way we give up pick 2 in a trade to get Hill. We need to retain 2 to have the best chance at getting Anderson. Hill’s worth an early second rounder. 

In a subjective list compiled by AFL writers. Not really a reliable assessment of our list, and if you look at our players aged 23-25 it's a very different scenario. I agree pick 2 for Hill is not a fair deal, but there's no way we get him for a 2nd round pick either. I don't see us getting him anyways tbh.

I'm no good at the drafting, trading macinations. But fir a number of reasons we need to go to the draft with pick 2.

Firstly we simply must draft in a player with elite foot skills. 

Secondly we have to take this opportunity to get young high end talent to the club. I'm hopeful this  will be the last draft for some time where we'll get a top 10 pick.

Thirdly,  getting pick 2 would be some small consolation for the pain the club has suffered this year.

All that said we still need hill (or martin) And it sounds as if we have Langdon. I leave it up to the dl's resident draft and trading gurus to work out how we manage keeping pick 2 and getting hill or martin and Langdon. Oh and Greenwood too if possible please.

  On 01/08/2019 at 21:42, Ethan Tremblay said:

We’re rated as 16th for talent under 23, no way we give up pick 2 in a trade to get Hill. We need to retain 2 to have the best chance at getting Anderson. Hill’s worth an early second rounder. 

Agreed, P2 should have nothing to do will Hill.

Freo paid P26 for Hill 2 years ago, his value will have only gone down or stayed the same given he is now older. 

P20 sounds pretty fair to me for Hill... 

 

On trading pick 2 , I don’t think anyone is suggesting we trade pick 2 straight up for Brad Hill.

The question would be whether we trade pick 2 for Hill AND Freo’s first. Currently that’s pick 7, and i could see it dropping to pick 6.

With a bit of horse trading it’s not impossible to see Langdon included in the deal. Should we be exploring whether we could walk away from this trade draft period with Hill, Langdon as well as someone like Dylan Stephens (Ash or Serong are possibles here too)? We could deal with our (glaring) immediate needs and get a first round talent in one deal.

A lot of the commentary around pick 2 is predicated on Anderson being the player available at 2, but I would not be surprised (assuming that GC aren’t gifted a priority pick at the start of the 1^st round), if GC went with Anderson at pick 1. Rowell may have a few more runs on the board, but Anderson is 10 cm’s taller and can play in other areas of the ground. If I’m picking first, I’m leaning toward Anderson.

What if it wasn’t Anderson, but Rowell we were talking about being the player available at pick 2? Would we want to pick the pure inside midfielder if we held pick 2?

  On 01/08/2019 at 00:59, ding said:

 

Yes im desperate for a premiership before i die.

Yes So am I    I just thought I had plenty of time left for it to happen, not so sure anymore,  Another two years I am older than my old man.

1964 was too long ago,  87 and 2000, were disasters, much like 2019 but we did not go on.    The players should all get in a line and kick the bloke in front a fair dinkum KUTA. and I think the coach should be in the front of the line.

10 goals down Saturday I think   but WTF   Go Dees !!!

Spoke to some mates who support Fremantle and they think Hill is worth a second round pick, somewhere around 25-35. They all had a good chuckle at the suggestion of pick 2 for Hill and pick 7. 

Scratching my head trying to remember but could somebody enlighten me - do we get much say in whether or not Gold Coast get a PP? Can we oppose it? (Who stopped us getting one a few years ago? Wasn't GC was it?)

Sorry if this has been covered before, but we need all the help we can get -  we are a real team, with flesh and blood supporters, not some Hollywood franchise bunch of clowns. We should do everything we can to stop Gold Coast getting a Priority pick.

I think all clubs get the chance to put forward wish lists and they get consulted on significant decisions, but ultimately 17 clubs could reject the notion and the commission could still sanction a pick before the draft.

  On 03/08/2019 at 01:58, ChaserJ said:

I think all clubs get the chance to put forward wish lists and they get consulted on significant decisions, but ultimately 17 clubs could reject the notion and the commission could still sanction a pick before the draft.

Thanks Chaser 

  On 02/08/2019 at 01:37, ChaserJ said:

On trading pick 2 , I don’t think anyone is suggesting we trade pick 2 straight up for Brad Hill.

The question would be whether we trade pick 2 for Hill AND Freo’s first. Currently that’s pick 7, and i could see it dropping to pick 6.

With a bit of horse trading it’s not impossible to see Langdon included in the deal. Should we be exploring whether we could walk away from this trade draft period with Hill, Langdon as well as someone like Dylan Stephens (Ash or Serong are possibles here too)? We could deal with our (glaring) immediate needs and get a first round talent in one deal.

A lot of the commentary around pick 2 is predicated on Anderson being the player available at 2, but I would not be surprised (assuming that GC aren’t gifted a priority pick at the start of the 1^st round), if GC went with Anderson at pick 1. Rowell may have a few more runs on the board, but Anderson is 10 cm’s taller and can play in other areas of the ground. If I’m picking first, I’m leaning toward Anderson.

What if it wasn’t Anderson, but Rowell we were talking about being the player available at pick 2? Would we want to pick the pure inside midfielder if we held pick 2?

Interesting post Chaser and would be even more interesting if the trade period was extended to draft night with live trading of picks already occurring