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Would love Hill but crazy he never opts to kick with his opposite foot ever. His disposal efficiency is a bit off as well. 31 disposals and only 80 something ranking points is rare.

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13 minutes ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Would love Hill but crazy he never opts to kick with his opposite foot ever. His disposal efficiency is a bit off as well. 31 disposals and only 80 something ranking points is rare.

His DE has been poor his last couple of games but not bad before that. We desperately need good users of the ball so I will definitely be keeping a closer eye on Hill during the rest of the season. 

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As I suggested @dazzledavey36. Hawks set to go to the draft now, a change in recruiting policy from their recent penchant for trading in established talent. 

https://amp.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/hawthorn/hawthorn-intend-to-keep-early-draft-selections-to-lower-the-age-profile-of-its-list/news-story/7221e9daa58e91553de8450bd9684273

If Brad Hill wants back to Victoria to be with his missus he will likely have to settle on his second or third choice of Melbourne based clubs. In which case we should banging his agent’s door down to get him in red and blue.

B.Hill  >  E.Langdon

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6 hours ago, Matsuo Basho said:

As I suggested @dazzledavey36. Hawks set to go to the draft now, a change in recruiting policy from their recent penchant for trading in established talent. 

https://amp.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/hawthorn/hawthorn-intend-to-keep-early-draft-selections-to-lower-the-age-profile-of-its-list/news-story/7221e9daa58e91553de8450bd9684273

If Brad Hill wants back to Victoria to be with his missus he will likely have to settle on his second or third choice of Melbourne based clubs. In which case we should banging his agent’s door down to get him in red and blue.

B.Hill  >  E.Langdon

interesting. can you paste the article please ?

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2 minutes ago, Bay Riffin said:

interesting. can you paste the article please ?

I don’t think forum rules allow copy pasting while articles BR. Is that right mods?

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Hill’s manager has confirmed a few Vic clubs are chasing Hill. I wonder if we have put a call through. The article states we are believed to be  in the market for more speed and are keeping an eye on Hill’s situation. 

Is the following giving false hope to other clubs chasing him?

"I've heard the rumours and media innuendo, but we've had absolutely no discussion with Hawthorn … he won't get there," Young said.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-07-04/manager-confirms-victorian-clubs-are-chasing-freo-champ-

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4 minutes ago, Collar-Jazz-Knee said:

If we end up with say pick 5 or 6, what would people think about trading it to Freo for Hill, Langdon and their 2nd round pick?

Was just about to pose the same question. I doubt Freo would want to give up a 2nd round pick along with that. I suspect it would just be a straight swap top 6 pick for the 2 players. Maybe a shuffle of late late picks. 

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15 minutes ago, Collar-Jazz-Knee said:

If we end up with say pick 5 or 6, what would people think about trading it to Freo for Hill, Langdon and their 2nd round pick?

I think according to the AFL rules we need to use a first round pick this year, so l think we would have to secure another first round pick before we could do that deal.

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16 minutes ago, grazman said:

I think according to the AFL rules we need to use a first round pick this year, so l think we would have to secure another first round pick before we could do that deal.

We only have to use one first round pick out of the next 2 years. So either this year or next. They do it as a rolling 4 year period.

 

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We need speed on the outside and the steak knifes part of the GC/May deal can't get on the park so Hill's speed would be very bloody welcome! 

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4 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

We only have to use one first round pick out of the next 2 years. So either this year or next. They do it as a rolling 4 year period.

How does that compute? 

We last used a 1st rnd pick in 2015 (Oliver and Weideman) which makes 2019 the 4th year?

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18 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

How does that compute? 

We last used a 1st rnd pick in 2015 (Oliver and Weideman) which makes 2019 the 4th year?

"Essendon is in a similar scenario to Hawthorn and Melbourne under the new trade conditions.

All three clubs drafted two players in the first round in 2015, but the Hawks and Demons haven't used one since and neither has one this year.

They can do as they wish with their first-round pick in the 2019 NAB AFL Trade Period, including offloading a future one, because they have used at least two in the preceding four-year period.

However, like the Bombers, unless they trade in extra first-round selections this year or next, they will have to start using those picks in 2020 until they satisfy the four-year rolling requirement."

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-11-02/trading-firstround-picks-afls-most-misunderstood-rule-explained

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7 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

"Essendon is in a similar scenario to Hawthorn and Melbourne under the new trade conditions.

All three clubs drafted two players in the first round in 2015, but the Hawks and Demons haven't used one since and neither has one this year.

1) They can do as they wish with their first-round pick in the 2019 NAB AFL Trade Period, including offloading a future one, because they have used at least two in the preceding four-year period.

2)However, like the Bombers, unless they trade in extra first-round selections this year or next, they will have to start using those picks in 2020 until they satisfy the four-year rolling requirement."

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-11-02/trading-firstround-picks-afls-most-misunderstood-rule-explained

Thanks. 

The article was written before the 2018 Draft so has some ambiguity.  I'm reading it as:

1) In 2018 we could do what we wanted with our 2019 pick.  We kept it.

2) Need to trade in an extra 1st round 'this' (2018) or 'next' (2019) year.  We didn't trade one in, in 2018.  So it reads like we need to trade in another 1st round in 2019 if we want to trade out 2020 1st round pick. 

It looks like we need to use a 1st round pick in 2019.  That doesn't mean we can't trade down our allotted pick to a lower 1st rounder. 

Of course, my interpretation of the article could well be wrong. 

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‘AFL’s most misunderstood rule’, No [censored] Sherlock. Wake me up in October.

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5 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Thanks. 

The article was written before the 2018 Draft so has some ambiguity.  I'm reading it as:

1) In 2018 we could do what we wanted with our 2019 pick.  We kept it.

2) Need to trade in an extra 1st round 'this' (2018) or 'next' (2019) year.  We didn't trade one in, in 2018.  So it reads like we need to trade in another 1st round in 2019 if we want to trade out 2020 1st round pick. 

It looks like we need to use a 1st round pick in 2019.  That doesn't mean we can't trade down our allotted pick to a lower 1st rounder. 

Of course, my interpretation of the article could well be wrong. 

It's a 'rolling' 4 year period that started in 2015. It's very confusing, but because of when all the trading picks and when the new rule came in to play, we can trade either this year or next years first rounder.

From the article: "That means the Bombers satisfy the AFL's new rule, which comes into play next year, regarding the use of at least two first-round picks in the previous four-year period."

 

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2 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

It's a 'rolling' 4 year period that started in 2015. It's very confusing, but because of when all the trading picks and when the new rule came in to play, we can trade either this year or next years first rounder.

From the article: "That means the Bombers satisfy the AFL's new rule, which comes into play next year, regarding the use of at least two first-round picks in the previous four-year period."

Oh, the ole AFL trick of making up rules as they go!

 

Rules aside, I prefer we use a 2019 1st round pick or it will be 4 years since we drafted a young top 20 player.  It looks like our recent #25 to #40 draft picks will be B grade players at best.  So, trading out of the 2019 1st round will hurt our young talent profile.   

Also, this year is a 1 in 5 year opportunity to get some elite talent with picks #2 to #3 and #18 to #20.  Would rather we keep those and trade out our 2020 1st pick which (if me make finals) will be in the the low to mid teens. 

 

Back to Brad Hill.  Geelong seems keen on him so if Kelly goes West they will be in the box seat.

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On 6/21/2019 at 6:44 PM, dazzledavey36 said:

Suit yourself bro.. 

 

On 6/21/2019 at 9:51 PM, dazzledavey36 said:

Article backing up what i said earlier.. if Brad Hill ends up asking for a trade request it will be at Hawthorn and Hawthorn only.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-bradley-hill-ponders-requesting-a-trade-to-hawthorn-for-second-straight-season/news-story/8d770699c773956c39707b9520d8a949

I'm surprised you give any oxygen to the troll DD

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2 hours ago, Collar-Jazz-Knee said:

If we end up with say pick 5 or 6, what would people think about trading it to Freo for Hill, Langdon and their 2nd round pick?

[censored] Freo....

They only gave up a second round pick to get Hill. Dare I say his value has stagnated or gone down, not up.

 

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15 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Oh, the ole AFL trick of making up rules as they go!

Rules aside, I prefer we use a 2019 1st round pick or it will be 4 years since we drafted a young top 20 player.  It looks like our recent #25 to #40 draft picks will be B grade players at best.  So, trading out of the 2019 1st round will hurt our young talent profile.   

Also, this year is a 1 in 5 year opportunity to get some elite talent with picks #2 to #3 and #18 to #20.  Would rather we keep those and trade out our 2020 1st pick which (if me make finals) will be in the the low to mid teens.

Back to Brad Hill.  Geelong seems keen on him so if Kelly goes West they will be in the box seat.

TBH I can't decide which way I want us to go this year. We absolutely need to get in some high end draft talent so we have the next generation coming through, but at the same time, if we could add a skillful outside runner in the 21-25 year old bracket I'd be keen on that as well. I'm 50/50 split on it. I guess people will decide which way they go on that based on if they think this year is an aberration or not.

Yeah the Hill/Kelly situation seems like a logical one. I wonder if we'd look at his brother as a free agent?

 

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On 6/21/2019 at 7:36 PM, dazzledavey36 said:

Mate he's no chance at all.

Once they nominate a club they just simply get there. Hill will nominate Hawthorn and get there.

 

Would he want to play for a bottom-4 side?

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2 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

TBH I can't decide which way I want us to go this year. We absolutely need to get in some high end draft talent so we have the next generation coming through, but at the same time, if we could add a skillful outside runner in the 21-25 year old bracket I'd be keen on that as well. I'm 50/50 split on it. I guess people will decide which way they go on that based on if they think this year is an aberration or not.

Yeah the Hill/Kelly situation seems like a logical one. I wonder if we'd look at his brother as a free agent?

I think this year is an aberration so lets use our top picks this year and future trade 2020 1st round pick for that 21-25 year old skillful outside runner.  I think we will be bottom half of the 8 next year so it will be a very good pick for whoever gives up that player.  Best of both worlds.

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4 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Any chance we could also get his older brother as steak knives? 

Unrestricted free agent so we can just pick him up if he wants.

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