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2 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Got to wonder does Goody drink his own ego in refusing to watch Preliminary final fiasco and not change mindset at all??

If so we are in strife!

Goodie watched it, he was there.

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8 minutes ago, RedButMostlyBlue said:

Today was diabolical

For us members, being shareholders, I think we've reached the point (if we hadn't already) where we deserve an investigation into what has happened behind the scenes this year. It's been said a fair bit. But something stinks.

Yes we love our team. But we're also investors. And somebody, or a group of people out there, are wasting our money and faith.

Agree, but think the answers are so obvious it would be a waste of time....

1. Injuries are hurting big time

2. Skills are poor

3. We're too slow, partly the interrupted pre-season, partly (4.) we've not targeted outside pace

4. Our recruiting has been (let's be glass half full...) below average

These are largely independent  

1 needs to improve  over next 3 weeks (to some degree uncontrollable despite the anti-Mission sentiment on DL) 3 and 4 are priority for 2020.

2. Is simply an indictment on the whole Footy Department, not enough focus on skills, particularly kicking, especially goal kicking

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1 hour ago, chook fowler said:

Listening to Goodwins press conference tells me the guy’s in lala  land. Trying to sell our form as improving. Hiding behind a few goals in the last quarter when the game was done.FMD.

This was from his presser:

"We've got some things that we've got to work on and get better at, but we are getting better as a club. I feel we are, but we're disappointed with the loss. 

"We could've turned it up today, but we stuck at it."

Goody said we are getting better!!!!! Mmmmmm what rose coloured glasses does he have cause I want some  

 

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1 hour ago, Nasher said:

If only we’d selected Preuss. 😁

Who was, by the few reports available, mostly pretty average at Casey today.

(They lost BTW).

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14 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Attempt to imagine, if you can, just what Barassi would say to his players, or Norm Smith - or even John Northey - if they were in Goodwin's position at the moment. Roos would not be happy, either.

I'm going to delete video without watching!!! Just call me Goody!

Surely wont learn anything from that!????

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Geez, reading some of the above you'd think the last day of the world was nigh. 

Keeps shirts on, lad and lasses. We are looking at a team which is totally decimated by injuries, has been all season.

End of story. Get over it. Looking for scapegoats for injuries is futile.

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2 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

No i actually think he is probably a champion guy of very nice make up and character PF.  One the players are happy to follow and see good in.  Unfortunately at this point (and not sure he ever will be but happy to be proven wrong as we have no choice stupidly signing him for another 3 years) he is not a very good AFL coach.

From years of leadership and observing the same in and across many fields, one learns a thing or two about those who follow.  If you are 'mates' with those who must follow, you will lose. If your standards are high and your expectation is well understood, you win, and your job has more meaning, and especially to those who follow, right across the board. They win, too, and also have a full understanding that you 'care'. Whilst everyone is happy with their coach (Goodwin), the message just is not getting through. Someone stepped on some cow pat, sometime, and became too familiar and predictable. (Still get a game every week.)

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1 minute ago, DemonOX said:

This was from his presser:

"We've got some things that we've got to work on and get better at, but we are getting better as a club. I feel we are, but we're disappointed with the loss. 

"We could've turned it up today, but we stuck at it."

Goody said we are getting better!!!!! Mmmmmm what rose coloured glasses does he have cause I want some  

 

Did he really say that??

Gawwd we are in strife!

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Just now, dieter said:

Geez, reading some of the above you'd think the last day of the world was nigh. 

Keeps shirts on, lad and lasses. We are looking at a team which is totally decimated by injuries, has been all season.

End of story. Get over it. Looking for scapegoats for injuries is futile.

YOU CAN'T BLAME INJURIES 

Richmond , Collingwood and others have proved it! We lack heart, soul, footy nous and SKILL

Comes back to recruiting and coaching im afraid!

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17 minutes ago, —coach— said:

I don’t think anyone is actually suggesting he is a magic bullet or a particularly good forward, just that he makes us better by taking the best defender because he is massive and can mark and kick goals as has been proven in his games with us this year. This means tmac and others get the next best defenders which gives them a better chance, and our small forward get more opportunities from balls that go to ground rather the simply being marked uncontested by the opposition.

He also suits our bomb it in mindset which despite our suggestions, continues to go uncorrected

Thank you coach.  It's not rocket science.   At one stage Goody had Spargo at FF with Davis manning him!!  That might work if you were bringing the ball in quick and dirty like Port did to the Eagles.  Certainly not with the bash / crash / bombing style that Goody has us playing.

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15 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Did anyone else hear Phil Davis as he ran to the bench mid-way into the first quarter?

He yelled out "they're f**king sh*t! No pressure!". Ostensibly to give his team a rev-up but largely directed at our bench.

Arrogant? Maybe. Accurate? You bet.

 

He must have got that from the eagles players who started their song last week, with that comment.

Sadly, respect is lost quickly.

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At least the gameplan didn't let us down today.

We hardly had the ball in our forward line for the first 3/4 so there wasn't much chance for the easy out.

And to think they missed 4 easy goals in that first quarter .. this could so easily and probably should have been a hundred point loss.

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2 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Did he really say that??

Gawwd we are in strife!

The article is on the AFL website  and titled 

Reinforcements Ready to Save Melbourne: Goodwin

Sorry couldn’t post the link. It’s comical in some parts. 

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4 minutes ago, DemonOX said:

This was from his presser:

"We've got some things that we've got to work on and get better at, but we are getting better as a club. I feel we are, but we're disappointed with the loss. 

"We could've turned it up today, but we stuck at it."

Goody said we are getting better!!!!! Mmmmmm what rose coloured glasses does he have cause I want some  

 

I hate watching Goody's pressers. Always the same smug look on his face, like the questions being asked are ridiculous, and that there should not be any expectation on a side that played a prelim last year (and therefore should be getting better, not worse)

We're getting better at losing, is what he meant to say.

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8 minutes ago, Megatron said:

Neeld certainly didn’t shield them and you can argue during that period is probably the worst in club history. So clearly that doesn’t work either. 

The skill level is bad, the connection is bad but injuries play a big part and you’d have to ignorant to overlook that. If you look at our back 6, just about every first picked player is out injured. Jetta, Hibberd, Salem, May and Lever. Then you look at our forwards. Melksham, Vanders, Hannan, Smith, Nibbler. There’s another 5 of 6. The only area where we’ve had some stability is the midfield. And most games so far we’ve dominated in that area bar today. 

The season is done but let’s see if things change as we start getting some players back.

Points taken. But attitude is still flakey at this club. 

Many other clubs have had a fighting season under adversity over the years. But that is always to hard at Melbourne. 

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18 minutes ago, —coach— said:

I don’t think anyone is actually suggesting he is a magic bullet or a particularly good forward, just that he makes us better by taking the best defender because he is massive and can mark and kick goals as has been proven in his games with us this year. This means tmac and others get the next best defenders which gives them a better chance, and our small forward get more opportunities from balls that go to ground rather the simply being marked uncontested by the opposition.

He also suits our bomb it in mindset which despite our suggestions, continues to go uncorrected

Those things you list as his traits are all things I’d expect of a good forward. What I think is more likely is he gets outpositioned and outmarked frequently, does nothing whatsoever at ground level and then gets destroyed by defenders running off.

I know I’m probably being over the top in my criticism, but I’m convinced many have allowed romanticism about what Preuss may offer blind them to what he actually does offer. What he offers is a ruckman who can play when Gawn can’t, and to me that’s about it.

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Unless Jahesus H Christmas and a few others of his ilk are ready then I'm calling this FAKE NEWS

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23 minutes ago, RedButMostlyBlue said:

Today was diabolical

For us members, being shareholders, I think we've reached the point (if we hadn't already) where we deserve an investigation into what has happened behind the scenes this year. It's been said a fair bit. But something stinks.

Yes we love our team. But we're also investors. And somebody, or a group of people out there, are wasting our money and faith.

That would be whoever re-appointed Goody for another four years instead of a shorter term performance based contract.

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11 minutes ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

Agree, but think the answers are so obvious it would be a waste of time....

1. Injuries are hurting big time

2. Skills are poor

3. We're too slow, partly the interrupted pre-season, partly (4.) we've not targeted outside pace

4. Our recruiting has been (let's be glass half full...) below average

These are largely independent  

1 needs to improve  over next 3 weeks (to some degree uncontrollable despite the anti-Mission sentiment on DL) 3 and 4 are priority for 2020.

2. Is simply an indictment on the whole Footy Department, not enough focus on skills, particularly kicking, especially goal kicking

Skills have been poor for 15 years GYM. How is that even possible?

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10 minutes ago, DemonOX said:

This was from his presser:

"We've got some things that we've got to work on and get better at, but we are getting better as a club. I feel we are, but we're disappointed with the loss. 

"We could've turned it up today, but we stuck at it."

Goody said we are getting better!!!!! Mmmmmm what rose coloured glasses does he have cause I want some  

 

I cant get over the way he trots out the same lines over and over again

You have to wonder!

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We were so poor, it was not funny.  In the first half, Max Gawn almost alone carried the team.  He was best on at half time.

In the second quarter and the third, Viney willed himself into every contest.  I sometimes feel he is a one trick pony, but you could see the effort he was making to change things up.  

After this, the overall performance was poor.

Skills were atrocious.  We cannot take an uncontested mark, and for us a contested mark (apart from Max) is like a mythical unicorn.  Hore tried hard.

Our ability to hit a target was simply second rate.

Stretch loves to stop and go back to take his kick.  Every time.  There were fast options on, and he ignored them and allowed the Giants time to set up defensively.

We were smashed in the midfield.  With Max offering silver service, we were simply poor around every contest.

The umpires only hate Mumford more than us, which means Mummy gave up frees, and apart from this we went unrewarded all day.  However, we didnt deserve any charity.

The defensive unit was on a hiding to nothing.  The spread and coverage upfield meant these guys we always out of position and running second. We applied so little pressure, and they ran around us, all damned day.

It was a mix of lack of effort and lack of talent.

Why cant we perform inside 50?  In 9 weeks, we still have no idea how to find a forward or kick a goal.  What is going on, when you clear all of the BS and ‘connection’ messages from Goody, what else is going so wrong, that we simply cannot perform up to any standard forward of the ball?

There are massive problems here.  

On the plus side, Baker showed something, and could be our small forward.  Garlett tried hard, but has been taking kicking lessons from Petracca.

We were flattered by the final score line today.  Pathetic.

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1 minute ago, FireInTheBelly said:

Skills have been poor for 15 years GYM. How is that even possible?

🤷‍♂️

You think it'd be priority one!!??

Hence it being an indictment on the whole FD

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It has been said Bring in Preuss for a number of reasons. He is not slow compared to half of the side we had playing today. For censored sakes  Football Dept he can take a mark and kick a goal and straighten us up. More than half of the side we had in today. He is tall and strong and only 23 years old What is wrong with that? POOR Gawn looked exhausted and was looking for help replied PREUSS PLEASE HELP ME I AM CENSORED TIRED HELP! HELP!   

 POOR GAWNY.  

 Preuss is quick and agile compared to  at least half of the personnel we had out there today.      Goodwin please bring him back.

 

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1 minute ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Points taken. But attitude is still flakey at this club. 

Many other clubs have had a fighting season under adversity over the years. But that is always to hard at Melbourne. 

Yep. I agree. There were steps last year where we fought against adversity. The win in Perth, where no one really thought we’d win, the first of the finals where majority of the public thought the experience of Geelong playing in multiple finals campaigns would knock us off. 

No doubt this year has reared its ugly head but let’s see if that flakiness has more to do with personnel rather than history of our culture. 

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9 minutes ago, picket fence said:

YOU CAN'T BLAME INJURIES 

Richmond , Collingwood and others have proved it! We lack heart, soul, footy nous and SKILL

Comes back to recruiting and coaching im afraid!

I don't want to argue, but the Demons started way behind the 8 ball preparation wise with too many players - e.g.McDonald, Viney, Olive etc - still basically in recovery mode after post season surgery. I also bet the overall injury list at Richmond and Collingwood is not as long as Melbourne's.

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