On 5/18/2019 at 12:51 PM, don cordner said:

Either the umpires hate Melbourne or there is cheating going on, we have been shafted most games this year and last year, even at the mcg in our home games, how can they keep getting away with it?

Also, apparently number 6 umpire called Tim Smith a weak c$&t. 

3 minutes ago, chookrat said:

While I have no sources to speak of either inside or outside the club, I have it on good authority that as we speak Perty, Mahn's and Toddy are planning to visit a number of AFL and senior umpiring figures to let them know that t here is a new dog in town "Perty" and that they had best learn their place or else sleep with the fishies. 

On a side note, a couple of minutes before the players run up the race to go through the banner we should do he warriors chant - "Warriors, warriors, come out to pla-ay". The club could play it over the speakers, it would be awesome. 

yeah, but we could chant, demons, demons, come out to play, that would be even more awesome!!!!

3 hours ago, Macca said:

The point I'm making is that umpiring errors happen (I see what everyone else sees) and that those errors happen for all teams - even the Eagles (more so away from home)

So,  it's not just us.  But by reading this site,  you'd think it was just us being on the receiving end of dodgy decisions.  What do reckon opposition supporters would think of this thread for instance?  "Umpires hate Melbourne" ... they'd probably get a good laugh out of it.

And there's no admiration for the Eagles Fortress-like home ground advantage ... more so an acknowledgement that these things just happen.  And the same things happen in a lot of sports.

I have just never been one to blame umpires ... not as a player nor as a spectator.  And there's others like me too ... they are just not very loud about their thoughts.  For good reason too - who needs the angst?  I do this every year for a couple of days and then I shut up.  I like to send a message,  that's all.

 

Of course they happen Macca, as often as not, in many games.

but make up your mind...  do you want us to be One eyed supporters...  or level headed and politically correct supporters of the fair kind ?

 

I want us to win...  and so I want us supporters to be fierce during games...  and then lose the  'white-line-fever',  Once the  final-siren  sounds.

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1 minute ago, DV8 said:

 

Of course they happen Macca, as often as not, in many games.

but make up your mind...  do you want us to be One eyed supporters...  or level headed and politically correct supporters of the fair kind ?

 

I want us to win...  and so I want us supporters to be fierce during games...  and then lose the  'white-line-fever',  Once the  final-siren  sounds.

I am as passionate as the next bloke ... and level headed (mostly) I did overstep the mark here last night and I do apologise for that.  No excuses either.

I spent decades on MC's and when you do that you learn very quickly that you can't make excuses and the winning comes from hard work,  sweat & toil.  And talent with good coaching.  And you can't get sidetracked.  The premierships followed.

Laver & Federer just got on with the job and they are regarded as the 2 best ever.  The Cats played fair and what a team they were. 

So it is entirely possible to be a fierce competitor and play sport in a fair manner and be very successful. 

Robbie is another great example - I never saw him once dispute a decision.  Set a great example.

 

5 hours ago, Macca said:

The point I'm making is that umpiring errors happen (I see what everyone else sees) and that those errors happen for all teams - even the Eagles (more so away from home)

So,  it's not just us.  But by reading this site,  you'd think it was just us being on the receiving end of dodgy decisions.  What do reckon opposition supporters would think of this thread for instance?  "Umpires hate Melbourne" ... they'd probably get a good laugh out of it.

And there's no admiration for the Eagles Fortress-like home ground advantage ... more so an acknowledgement that these things just happen.  And the same things happen in a lot of sports.

I have just never been one to blame umpires ... not as a player nor as a spectator.  And there's others like me too ... they are just not very loud about their thoughts.  For good reason too - who needs the angst?  I do this every year for a couple of days and then I shut up.  I like to send a message,  that's all.

I've never liked to bag the umpires either as they do have a tough gig.  But that is during the game more-so. 

 

But this is on a footy forum where people speak they're own truths,  to others of a similar colour...  In the privacy of a teams forums...  sort of like the supporters locker rooms.

So this is a debriefing exercise.  You don''t need to protect the underdogs in here.   This is an umpire free zone, macca.

2 hours ago, daisycutter said:

surprised you're posting today dv8. i thought you would be in a total catatonic state

I'm feeling a bit flat, but that's the norm of late.  sleep apnea has hit hard...  so I'm constantly low on go juice. atmo... 

Actually been lower since around the time Bobby passed.   the election is more a shock.

1 hour ago, Macca said:

I am as passionate as the next bloke ... and level headed (mostly) I did overstep the mark here last night and I do apologise for that.  No excuses either.

I spent decades on MC's and when you do that you learn very quickly that you can't make excuses and the winning comes from hard work,  sweat & toil.  And talent with good coaching.  And you can't get sidetracked.  The premierships followed.

Laver & Federer just got on with the job and they are regarded as the 2 best ever.  The Cats played fair and what a team they were. 

So it is entirely possible to be a fierce competitor and play sport in a fair manner and be very successful. 

Robbie is another great example - I never saw him once dispute a decision.  Set a great example.

 

MC's ???

While Robbie was setting great examples...  we were the Hawks biaatchers.  they were winning everything, with the Bombers. and we were the trend setters of fair.

Edited May 19, 20195 yr by DV8

8 hours ago, daisycutter said:

well of course umpires won't always be 100% correct.....that's not the issue

problem is despite 3 field umpires and 4 boundary umpires they are making more mistakes, changing rule interpretations and being incosistent within and between games than before, whilst every other aspect of the game is improving (well, mostly) and the afl does nothing but fiddle at the fringes and make it worse

but.......if you are happy with afl umpiring.....i guess we will all have to get over it..... thanks for your advice, i had obviously been imagining my concerns and had problems with my eyesight and understanding of the rules....

My response to the thread was that I can think we can be rest assured the umpires don’t have it in for us specifically. We got the great rub of the green vs GC last week.

I take your point that the standard of umpiring is down a bit this year.

Are umpire stats published anywhere? 

Wouldn't mind seeing who pays what free kicks and how many each game.  Would make for interesting reading.

On 5/18/2019 at 3:25 PM, Return to Glory said:

I've been noting the impressive body of work of Dean Margetts for some time now and I thought he was just terrific last night. With almost cat-like reflexes he saw an opportunity to halt Melbourne's momentum (yes, we weren't helping ourselves) and he did so with bewitching guile. Couldn't blow the whistle fast enough  to give WC the advantage. It wasn't just the free kicks paid to West Coke, it was the missed throws and blocks, and, by the end, an absolute failure to show any impartiality whatsoever. He may as well have put on a WC Guernsey and punched the sky when the final siren sounded.

Is the AFL so tight arsed that it can't, in a National competition, use an umpire who didn't grow up barracking for the team he's officiating (and by officiating I mean kissing on the dock).

Razor Ray may be a [censored] but he's an impartial one. Actually, take that back and leave it at '[censored]'.

 

Second that Margetts is biased. Hear about it every game he umpires  in the West for Weagles. It really is the elephant in the room : AFL has no accountability.

I enjoy reading the same people bitching and moaning about umpires making mistakes whilst doing an almost impossible job, when they won't hear a bad word said about certain highly paid, professional athletes who can't execute basic skills.

1 hour ago, poita said:

I enjoy reading the same people bitching and moaning about umpires making mistakes whilst doing an almost impossible job, when they won't hear a bad word said about certain highly paid, professional athletes who can't execute basic skills.

Funnily enough I find that people can walk and chew gum at the same time and do so on these two issues.   Which poster whinging about umpiring has said or even implied we have a team of in form champions?  It is not a defence of the poor quality of umpiring or  the difficulties imposed on them by the nature of the game or AFL HQ to point out we have some poor players.

I normally can discuss other teams matches with interest and humour on a Monday at work.

I realised that Fridays umpiring had ticked me off so much that I didnt bother with it the rest of the weekend.... and Im a bit of a footy nut. The standard of umpiring is going to lose viewers if rusted on tragics like me are switching off AFL because of it.

I think the game would benefit from a real time panel of third umpires with the power to nullify the benefit and reverse poor umpiring decisions. I.e. team scores a goal after a clear throw is missed has that score reduced based on real time decision of the third umpires (who have tv slow motion, etc) to adjudicate and decide as best they can. That way play can go on, with fairness somewhat addressed..?

 

Edited May 20, 20195 yr by PaulRB

I initially didn't see the damage done to Smith in the tackle, but I immediately complained bitterly about Jetta being able to play on from in front of the mark (point where initial free was paid against Smith for holding the ball). I concur with comments focused on Margetts' bias... its been obvious for several seasons. It was gutless umpiring to let Jetta run free after a dubious free and illegal tackle. This sequence of events, more than any other incident, is clear evidence of his willingness to assist West Coast in getting out of a sticky situation. Otherwise, it was evidence of massive incompetence and ignorance of what we commonly refer to as 'spirit of the game'.

48 minutes ago, waynewussell said:

I initially didn't see the damage done to Smith in the tackle, but I immediately complained bitterly about Jetta being able to play on from in front of the mark (point where initial free was paid against Smith for holding the ball). I concur with comments focused on Margetts' bias... its been obvious for several seasons. It was gutless umpiring to let Jetta run free after a dubious free and illegal tackle. This sequence of events, more than any other incident, is clear evidence of his willingness to assist West Coast in getting out of a sticky situation. Otherwise, it was evidence of massive incompetence and ignorance of what we commonly refer to as 'spirit of the game'.

I also thought he played on from beside tte make, not behind at the time.  But I haven't seen the replay.

1 hour ago, PaulRB said:

I think the game would benefit from a real time panel of third umpires with the power to nullify the benefit and reverse poor umpiring decisions. I.e. team scores a goal after a clear throw is missed has that score reduced based on real time decision of the third umpires (who have tv slow motion, etc) to adjudicate and decide as best they can. That way play can go on, with fairness somewhat addressed..?

 

Like the NRL style reviews ?

On 5/19/2019 at 2:30 PM, daisycutter said:

either atrocious goal kicking or poor umpiring accounted for at least 3 goals

so you can legitimately blame either or both for the loss

local umpires in perth games is just wrong and easily fixed by the afl

standard of umpiring is a real issue for the afl and there are a number of really easy changes the afl could make if they had any leadership

make all the apologies you like, macca, but it is simply not good enough to tell people to just move on

Totally agree. It's like telling everyone to move on after the two biggest racists in Queensland politics increase their majoritys, and the population move on because they are too dumb to do anything else...........

44 minutes ago, DV8 said:

Like the NRL style reviews ?

Maybe, I’m not familiar with NRL.

part of the issue is with high definition, slow motion replay, ump errors have become very clear and when they result in a score they are unfair.

By using that tech to rectify this without stopping the flow of play, would lower the pressure in umpires and the upset when they clearly get it wrong.

Edited May 20, 20195 yr by PaulRB

1 hour ago, PaulRB said:

Maybe, I’m not familiar with NRL.

part of the issue is with high definition, slow motion replay, ump errors have become very clear and when they result in a score they are unfair.

By using that tech to rectify this without stopping the flow of play, would lower the pressure in umpires and the upset when they clearly get it wrong.

Usually after an NRL score,  the referee will call on the 3rd umpire,  to check the lead-up play... checking on a number of possible issues, proior to the TRY being officially awarded.

... things like  'offside',  'interference',  'ball-grounding',  and others.

 

Tthe final plays leading to the goals,  are game-changers...   IF,  some concern exists,  then a 3rd umpire review can happen.

I wonder what will happen to Mr Margetts this week for clearly missing the Tim Smith dangerous tackle and subsequent play on fiasco. Or to the officiating umpire(s) - in or out of the zone,  who missed the blatant throw that gifted the Eagles another goal in that final quarter. Or to Mr Western Austn Umpire No 7 who paid Cripps in the back when the ball fell free in the tackle - which led to another goal. We talk about Melbourne’s poor converting (no dispute) however this unadulterated maggotry occured in that 15 minute window in the last quarter when the game was there. Gifted Eagles back into the game, then snuffed any chance we had of coming back. 4 days on, I clearly haven’t moved on. The 3 officiating clowns will no doubt be fronting up again, probably in Perth again for homegrown boys No 6 and No 7.

On 5/18/2019 at 1:43 PM, deebug said:

These muppets do hate the us, we miss out on a lot of frees, each week.

 

It does appear that way.    I still think they try and not be biased  but they have been bad this year.  Agree  only human The simple fact is umpires are prone to be influenced by larger cr o wd support discrepancies        I am sure some umps DISLIKE CERTAIN PLAYERS.

9 hours ago, Damo said:

I normally can discuss other teams matches with interest and humour on a Monday at work.

I realised that Fridays umpiring had ticked me off so much that I didnt bother with it the rest of the weekend.... and Im a bit of a footy nut. The standard of umpiring is going to lose viewers if rusted on tragics like me are switching off AFL because of it.

I too ignored the other games and was surprised to see the number of incidents which were looked at by the MRO. Fines and suspensions were handed out to a number of players (but not to Mumford, who should have had the book thrown at him simply for his prior history). I got the feeling players also are feeling frustrated on the field by umpiring decisions, demonstrated by the angst displayed by some of them. (Thomas being hauled to the tribunal for insulting an umpire, for example). I saw a lot of grumpiness on display. Too many rules for the umpires to adjudicate properly, making everyone unhappy. Should go back to the basics and stop fiddling with the rules every year and making the umpires' jobs harder. Football is becoming unenjoyable.

On 05/19/2019 at 10:02 PM, daisycutter said:

well of course umpires won't always be 100% correct.....that's not the issue

problem is despite 3 field umpires and 4 boundary umpires they are making more mistakes, changing rule interpretations and being incosistent within and between games than before, whilst every other aspect of the game is improving (well, mostly) and the afl does nothing but fiddle at the fringes and make it worse

but.......if you are happy with afl umpiring.....i guess we will all have to get over it..... thanks for your advice, i had obviously been imagining my concerns and had problems with my eyesight and understanding of the rules....

You need to be proactive on this issue if it is such a problem for you.  Contact the AFL with your concerns. 

It is no good voicing your concerns on these types of forums as nothing will come of it.  And don't ask me to do the same as I don't have a problem with the inconsistencies of umpiring ... never have,  never will.

And make sure you put your argument across in the same manner ... with the Melbourne Football Club at the forefront.  And don't start using capital letters either. 

Send them a link to this thread while your at it it (Umpires hate Melbourne) ... you could also link up all the other similar threads from the various other clubs that are along the same lines.

You want change,  make it happen. 

Garner support from others but those others can't start arguing in a macro way all of a sudden.  The argument has to remain as a Melbourne Football Club issue.

Come to think of it,  you might want to contact the MFC first. 

Let me know how you go dc

 

Just see how many Brownlow Votes Oliver gets this year. Then we go/ get the ropes and the Posse.....

21 hours ago, PaulRB said:

I think the game would benefit from a real time panel of third umpires with the power to nullify the benefit and reverse poor umpiring decisions. I.e. team scores a goal after a clear throw is missed has that score reduced based on real time decision of the third umpires (who have tv slow motion, etc) to adjudicate and decide as best they can. That way play can go on, with fairness somewhat addressed..?

 

You would need to combine it with a Team (Coach/Captains) review type option similar to the NFL pass interference trial or the cricket RB. 

Limited to say a maximum of two reviews that reduce each time if the result doesn't go in your favour and obviously a time limit following the decision or non-decision.

You would also need to ensure the off field reviewing umpire is a neutral one, otherwise you are still open to seeing biased outcomes such as those we saw on Fri eve.

Subject to adding those options i think this is an excellent idea.

I doubt the AFL would ever consider it though.