Not sticking up for Max

[DV8 2,271]

51 minutes ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

You’re off the mark here. You know what I liked, his teammates weeent concerned about punching on, they were concerned about picking the big fella up. That’s being a team. It’s not the 70s or 80s. They pushed the dumb [censored] Vardy away and helped Max up. 

chell who used the words 'punching on' 

You, are  the very first person to change the meaning,m  to something else..   in your wards "punching on"

 

This is not what was meant around this  'passive argument'...   push and shove is not punching on.

 

Edited May 17, 2019 by DV8

[DV8 2,271]

32 minutes ago, binman said:

Fritsh should be droppoed for that alone. Add in his missed targets and really poor decisions then he is outski

Fritta is Not as switched-on,  as he was last year.

Most of our kids who went well last year,  have all fallen of the cliff,  this season.

 

Fritta I think needs 3 or 4 weeks spell with Casey,  to rediscover the Need to be playing AFL.

[DV8 2,271]

1 hour ago, Adzman said:

I hope Goodwin talks about this during his review. Can't let this stuff happen.

 

Its not just this adzman... the lacking aggression,  and defending our players honour...  not just that.

 

We have too many players who do not work hard enough generally,  letting others pull up the slack..  It all gets past down the line,  to the next stop.  Passing the Buck...

I'll mention some things in the post match thread.

[Salems Lot 2,493]

I reckon Vardy (super [censored]) just wanted to touch Max because it was the first time he had been near him all night.  Absolute dog act and typifies him as a player.  Hang your head you ordinary, ordinary player.

[Nasher 33,607]

8 hours ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

Its linked below.. Max goes back/across with the flight, Liam Ryan takes a big mark on him. Max is down winded Willie Rioli comes and pats him on the head and Nathan Vardy shoves the downed Gawn.

Where the [censored] is our fight? We get walked over time and time again and it never changes. We are no longer a year in year out bottom four side, we have growing members and some darn decent players but things still remain from the past. One of the better ruckman seen for a long time and maybe will go down as the greatest and we just let a pair of soft players who are only known to have played tonight because they are in the footage of a great mark push around and walk over Max Gawn.

That there made me mad, push a player around when he gets out muscled or kicks it out of the full... fine but to let opposition do as they please to your own (downed) teammate is distressing. The message it sends isnt great and i understand not giving a free away or a 50 but he was at the top of the goal square. Stick up for your teammate.

 

 

 

https://gfycat.com/ColorlessConstantCer

Oscar and Hore give him the P off DH shove and attend to their mate lying on the ground. Correct response IMO. Would you have preferred them to leave Max on the ground and go and start a brawl with some tool who isn’t worth the time and effort?

[buck_nekkid 5,847]

WTF?  What do you want them to do?  They were recovering from the contest, and you would not have expected the grubs to rub Max’s noses in it.  And what for, not taking a mark?  They didnt take the mark either.

Vardy was OWNED by Gawn.  His is a disgrace of a person for doing that.  

Max’s team mates pushed the idiots away, which was all it deserved.  To escalate this would have been a pointless, and probably expensive exercise.  Wanting them to ‘stand up for Max’ is simply stupid.  There were plenty of times throughout the night when players supported each other.

[daisycutter 29,604]

no need to over react

wasn't a good look but there was nothing vicious in what the two west coast dlckheads did

move on guys

[spirit of norm smith 16,299]

29 minutes ago, Salems Lot said:

I reckon Vardy (super [censored]) just wanted to touch Max because it was the first time he had been near him all night.  Absolute dog act and typifies him as a player.  Hang your head you ordinary, ordinary player.

Vardy and Rioli.  We should really cannoned them both. Fuc€>#£n dogs. 

In metro footy, vardy would’ve been pummelled.  

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

11 hours ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Let’s not forget Fritsch’s terrible work rate here which allowed Ryan to have that free run at it. He was ahead of Ryan but just jogged along. 

He basically set Gawn up for that. 

 

Caught ball watching in no man's land again.  If he can't play off a wing or HF he needs time at Casey until he has the tank/willingness/ability to close down his opponent when we dont have it.  Its basic defence/team defence and is giving the opp too many easy looks at goal, including this horror bit of play last night.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

3 hours ago, buck_nekkid said:

WTF?  What do you want them to do?  They were recovering from the contest, and you would not have expected the grubs to rub Max’s noses in it.  And what for, not taking a mark?  They didnt take the mark either.

Vardy was OWNED by Gawn.  His is a disgrace of a person for doing that.  

Max’s team mates pushed the idiots away, which was all it deserved.  To escalate this would have been a pointless, and probably expensive exercise.  Wanting them to ‘stand up for Max’ is simply stupid.  There were plenty of times throughout the night when players supported each other.

I cant disagree more Buck.  This is what separates an ok, mediocre or good club from a great club and sets the tone for culture going forward.

There are certain things you just cannot accept in footy and life lying down.  Someone rubbing your nose in it when you are down is one.

It needed a super aggressive response risking potentially weeks out if the game to make a statement that you aren't accepting BS from any [censored] who decides to pull this [censored].

Whether that was a rugby tackle from 10 meters away, grabbing him by the collar and sling tackling him to the ground or putting on a headlock, the statement needed to be made by someone.  WAP from those around!  

Edited May 18, 2019 by Rusty Nails

[dees189227 12,373]

11 hours ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Let’s not forget Fritsch’s terrible work rate here which allowed Ryan to have that free run at it. He was ahead of Ryan but just jogged along. 

He basically set Gawn up for that. 

 

Agree. Even BT sensed what was going to happen as the ball was making its way down. Fritsch gave Ryan a massive head start and just trailed him. Now we have to put up with seeing and hearing this mark all season. 

[Lord Travis 10,698]

The mark was taken in the goal square so he’s going to kick it regardless. This is the time to a stand and give away a 50, as the 50 makes no difference. If only Lewis was there to belt someone. The players response was weak and disappointing. Felt so sorry for Max who’d copped a boot in the face and then abused. What are his mates doing?!

Fritsch should be dropped for his pathetic game last night. His work rate and turn overs are momentum killing. That mark and goal is on him. His kicking was beautiful last year. This year it’s been amongst the worst in the league. Massive drop off in form from someone I was hoping would be a real weapon for us this year and beyond.

Edited May 18, 2019 by Lord Travis

[Old Man Rivers 326]

3 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

I cant disagree more Buck.  This is what separates an ok, mediocre or good club from a great club and sets the tone for culture going forward.

There are certain things you just cannot accept in footy and life lying down.  Someone rubbing your nose in it when you are down is one.

It needed a super aggressive response risking potentially weeks out if the game to make a statement that you aren't accepting BS from any [censored] who decides to pull this [censored].

Whether that was a rugby tackle from 10 meters away, grabbing him by the collar and sling tackling him to the ground or putting on a headlock, the statement needed to be made by someone.  WAP from those around!  

100% Agree with this take RN.

That should of been a non negotiable moment with 17 blokes letting Vardy know we are not coping that [censored] as a club.  Every chance we would of then gone on & changed the result. Instead the WC arrogance machine just rolled on to a victory they didn’t deserve.

I miss Rod Grinter ?

[DV8 2,271]

This is where our Passivity comes from...  with thinking & attitudes of passivity from within the club.

Edited May 18, 2019 by DV8

[Vagg 2,439]

WC Coach has come out and said it was a pathetic, unacceptable  act by Vardy, and he has told Vardy so.  Good on him!

[Megatron 886]

15 hours ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

You’re off the mark here. You know what I liked, his teammates weeent concerned about punching on, they were concerned about picking the big fella up. That’s being a team. It’s not the 70s or 80s. They pushed the dumb [censored] Vardy away and helped Max up. 

Rubbish. If Viney was around, he would’ve push and shoved Vardy and ragged dolled him to the ground and shoved his head in the dirt. It was a time when we needed a lift and no one got there hands dirty for their teammate. Great sides not let [censored] like that slide. Imagine hawthorn and Brisbane during there 3 peat letting that go... highly unlikely.

[chookrat 4,247]

17 hours ago, DV8 said:

Yep,   your right,  'dnimd'...

 

All they did was the softest of fend offs, a couple of them...  to say get off him you thugs.   I would like to see one or two,  scrag them by the collar,  front on,  pushing them make THEM backpedal.

This is another sign of having a dee-fault position of over passiveness...  its an automatic response from our colours...  and this same attitude even when not seen,  is a reflection of our inner conservative state.

We have to get this passive our of our club.

 

We are too comfortable with being passive, holistically as a club...  from the supporters right thru every part of the club... Inc: song.

 

We would be healthier as a footy club,  If we were more comfortable being aggressive as a dee-fault position,  and less comfortable in a passive type mood. 

Certainly on the weekends and game-days.

There is merit in physically dominating our opponent in general play and also at moments like this we need to be assertive in dealing with behavior such as Vardy's. It's not acceptable to give away a free but we can certainly get up in his face and dare him to back down or escalate. 

[Satyriconhome 10,732]

All the tough guys behind their keyboards

And the point of a melee?

Goodwin does not want undisciplined acts on the field

Oscar Mc moved Vardy away, Vardy has been pilloried in media and social media, much more impact

[dazzledavey36 54,297]

1 hour ago, DV8 said:

Typical over-reaction by an over conservative,  'right is on my side',  supporter.

I bet your a real timid type nash, or were as a kiddie.  &  never got over it.

 

Inner Fear is not something to behold, its something to recover from.

 

its about momentum and grabbing the upper hand in a contest.  Do Not let the opposition feel like they can get cheap wins... Mentally.    they have to pay for every inch they take.

 

"Make them Earn It, the Hard way" ...  have you guys Ever heard of this ????

Jesus christ.. what has this world coming to when this muppet is giving out 1970s life advice on how to be tough.

Oscar and Hore pushed Vardy away while most of their teammates were already up on the CHF area and were probably too far to even see it. It was our captain in Nathan Jones who ran in and actually remonstrated with Vardy.

Vardy is a grub yes but the jumper grabbing and huffing and puffing would have made no difference at all.

 

[dazzledavey36 54,297]

Max didn't have an issue with what Vardy did.

A bit has been made of Nathan Vardy’s reaction after that mark. I don’t have a problem with it, but I would like to set the record straight on one thing — I didn’t say anything to Vardy until that moment. Not a single word.

[Lord Travis 10,698]

5 hours ago, Megatron said:

Rubbish. If Viney was around, he would’ve push and shoved Vardy and ragged dolled him to the ground and shoved his head in the dirt. It was a time when we needed a lift and no one got there hands dirty for their teammate. Great sides not let [censored] like that slide. Imagine hawthorn and Brisbane during there 3 peat letting that go... highly unlikely.

Viney of 2015-2017 would’ve. 2019 Viney is a shadow of his former self.

Nice to see Simpson take a public stance that Varsys behavior was rubbish.

[DV8 2,271]

6 hours ago, Megatron said:

Rubbish. If Viney was around, he would’ve push and shoved Vardy and ragged dolled him to the ground and shoved his head in the dirt. It was a time when we needed a lift and no one got there hands dirty for their teammate. Great sides not let [censored] like that slide. Imagine hawthorn and Brisbane during there 3 peat letting that go... highly unlikely.

 

5 hours ago, chookrat said:

There is merit in physically dominating our opponent in general play and also at moments like this we need to be assertive in dealing with behavior such as Vardy's. It's not acceptable to give away a free but we can certainly get up in his face and dare him to back down or escalate. 

We have to learn to be clever,  about when we really Fly our Flag in their faces physically.  I wish Sheedy was around our club.

I wish we had have hired  Kevin Sheedy,  back in 2007 or 8,  whatever it was then.

......................................................................

 

That mark over Gawn,  was in they're goal-square...   no damage giving a free away,  or a 50Mtr,   because they would have only got 8 metres anyway... we should have really flown the flag.

Instead I saw our players heads dropping meekly.

 

But the point is our players in the area were no more than gently assertive,  in politely pushing offending players away from Gawn.  weak it was.   Or should I say Meek.

 

Gawns a big guy right...  so if HE won't stand up for himself,  then we can't....    Bull Shyzen !!!    Not good enough.

The whole team is letting the whole club down whenh they meekly walk away tails between legs. 

 

Right or Wrong,  is irrelevant...    It's right...  if it's right for  Us.

 

[FireInTheBennelly 4,072]

We play them again in round 18. Guarantee when they run onto the field then they'll be thinking 'we've got these weak [censored]'

Nobody is suggesting a melee, nobody is suggesting a fight. A clear message needed to be sent that we're a team and we'll stand up for our own. FFS I can't believe people can't understand that. Softest supporter base in the comp.

How many went to Jetta after he took Smith out of he game?

[censored] off back to your cheese platter if you're not happy with that. Viney on Rance after the Watts incident seems light years ago.

[Demon Marty 119]

Was at the game just around from the points  -  Nathan Jones did make the trip in to have a go at Vardy.

Unfortunately nowadays the first priority is for players to worry about their next move and not get caught up in a rabble; esp now with the 666 reset.  Loose heads lose games. 

I did think at the time there could have been a more passionate response overall _  I felt like  jumping out of my seat and running down there myself.

Marty

[DV8 2,271]

8 hours ago, Demon Marty said:

Was at the game just around from the points  -  Nathan Jones did make the trip in to have a go at Vardy.

Unfortunately nowadays the first priority is for players to worry about their next move and not get caught up in a rabble; esp now with the 666 reset.  Loose heads lose games. 

I did think at the time there could have been a more passionate response overall _  I felt like  jumping out of my seat and running down there myself.

Marty

There was nothing to defend in the goal square,  and if a push and shove happened in the goal square,  the kick could not be taken.. . The umpires would have rushed in to sort things.

The Perfect time to stand up with a show of Force.

 

It didn't happen,  mores the pity.