CHANGES: Rd 07 vs Hawthorn

[DeeZee 7,496]

Out - Weideman

In - Gary the midget ( better chance of marking the ball than the 700k man)

[Wrecker45 3,381]

48 minutes ago, Vineytime said:

Hunt needs a spell at Casey, workrate, pressure, possession not there from him last 2 weeks. 

Hunt was good last night. He needed some mates to help him with the pressure he was applying and get it to him when he was charging into goal with no one on him.

[Canplay 635]

Out :  McCartney, Rooke, Chaplin

In :   Hird, Yze and J Lewis (backline coach after playing farewell game vs hawks next week)

[Nasher 33,686]

If we drop Weideman for Preuss, our tall forwards are Preuss and Smith. Preuss was going alright before the injury but I’m still pretty unconvinced he’s any good as a forward. If he’s not marking it there’s not much else he does - he doesn’t know when or how to bring ground players in to play, and he is too slow to do anything about half backs who want to escape with the ball. I liked Smith’s game last night, but he’s a medium sized forward who is borderline AFL level. He tries his guts out though, which is hard not to love.

We’ve definitely got a problem at the moment as Weid was hopeless again last night, but I’m still confident he’s got the right attributes and will come good. If you drop him now and go with a makeshift Preuss/Smith forward line, I see that as giving up on the forward line before the game has even started. At least with Weideman in, there’s at least some prospect of the miraculous happening and they start to fire, no matter how minute it is.

I hope the TMac back thing is only temporary. We desperately need him to return to last year’s forward marking form.

[Red and Blue realist 2,063]

14 minutes ago, Deehumanizing said:

Garlett provided run and good link up work up the field, it is not his fault the delivery into the forward line was crap. Tim Smith is so much more versatile and mobile than Preuss and arguably shown that he has been our best forward target we have had all year. Preuss may be of use resting forward, he is so slow though. Frost has been our best back so far this season. It is run this team needs more of. If you are going to sacrifice a forward to play on Sicily then you are playing into their hands and Sicily has won the battle. The way to beat Sicily is to have a good forward make him have to earn it.

We've been killed all season by how easy other teams have intercepted our forward 50 entries and rebounded, I don't think it's a bad idea to make the opposition's best 1 or 2 at that accountable. Frost has been very very ordinary in defence, he has little football IQ so is too easily out maneuvered or lost whenever the ball is not straight in front of him, he can however stick to a man of given 1 job. 

Garlett is there to help if the delivery is crap, that's his main job, crumb and pressure, he did neither effectivity last night, ANB was far superior and I wouldn't say he had a good game. 

[Wrecker45 3,381]

Out: Tmac (rest / injured), Weid (omitted / weights room), Viney (injured)

In: Petty, Keilty, C Wagner

Petty to play back

Keilty forward - guaranteed to have more influence than Weid. Better in the ruck and a more reliable mark. Give him a go.

Move C Wagner back and Fritsh forward we win the inside 50’s, Frish has the skill set to kick goals and benefit from the inside 50’s

If Pruese is ready bring him in for Petracca. Sit him in the goal square for the long bomb.

When the ball is in our forward line with congestion he should be standing 70m out where if it comes to him he can take a few large steps an kick it through. 

It can either come through a quick panicked kick from the opossition or if we get it kicking it backwards to him.

Jordan Lewis is a shadow of himself but is still a beautiful kick. We need to develop a strategy for him to kick it into our forward 50 and ANB to follow his man back so we don’t get slaughtered on the counter attack.

[Mental Demons 136]

7 minutes ago, Red and Blue realist said:

Frost has been very very ordinary in defence, he has little football IQ so is too easily out maneuvered or lost whenever the ball is not straight in front of him, he can however stick to a man of given 1 job. 

So who do you think has done a better job down taking the best opposition forward? Frost's best position is as an intercept marker and for the last few years has been encouraged to run and carry. It shows he is versatile and only matched for that by Salem and Fritch who are also being played out of position. Garlett's work and pace up the ground were good and better than Jones and Lewis. Tim Smith is as close as we have seen this year to a forward target and had a good game. It is the delivery that is the problem. It is what you get when the only plan the team has worked on is chaos ball and that is Goodwin fault, some brand.

[Sorry kids 635]

37 minutes ago, Deehumanizing said:

Garlett provided run and good link up work up the field, it is not his fault the delivery into the forward line was crap. Tim Smith is so much more versatile and mobile than Preuss and arguably shown that he has been our best forward target we have had all year. Preuss may be of use resting forward, he is so slow though. Frost has been our best back so far this season. It is run this team needs more of. If you are going to sacrifice a forward to play on Sicily then you are playing into their hands and Sicily has won the battle. The way to beat Sicily is to have a good forward make him have to earn it.

I thought Smith showed a bit last night. The dropped mark in the goals after some great body work showed he can play at this level with a bit more polish to be added. Should string games together. 

[Mental Demons 136]

 

 

 

31 minutes ago, Nasher said:

 

I hope the TMac back thing is only temporary. We desperately need him to return to last year’s forward marking form.

Firstly we need Tmac to play well somewhere on the ground. If he gets his skills up it would be great if he could go forward. Have not seen that this year.

[Acrossplanet 13]

Put Weid. at CHB. Leave T Mac to play on Roughead. Frost 3rd tall. Move Lewis to forward pocket with short runs on ball where he made his name. Smith CHF. Pre use full forward. Can Petty play forward. Try that at Casey. He's got the size. 

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[La Dee-vina Comedia 17,137]

The rest of the year should be used to make decisions on fringe players and respectfully farewell two veterans. Now that the year is effectively over, we can actually afford to play Jones and Lewis. We should also start playing Petty, Keilty, Sparrow and the Wagners, etc so some get seniors experience and others get fully tested so we know who to persist with.

We also need to decide where some players belong. Is Hunt a forward? Where should Lockhart play? Should Petracca spend more time in the middle...or none at all? Where is Fritsch's best position? etc

Edited April 25, 2019 by La Dee-vina Comedia

[Dee Zephyr 19,311]

22 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

Jordan Lewis is a shadow of himself but is still a beautiful kick. We need to develop a strategy for him to kick it into our forward 50 and ANB to follow his man back so we don’t get slaughtered on the counter attack

Upon reflection, Lewis was decent I thought. From where I was sitting he spent a lot of time on Caddy which I thought was odd at the time. Caddy had no influence at all on the game.

[Tony Tea 2,816]

Give Lewis a run in the guts. He's too slow for a sweeper / QB.

[Tony Tea 2,816]

1 hour ago, Acrossplanet said:

Put Weid. at CHB. Leave T Mac to play on Roughead. Frost 3rd tall. Move Lewis to forward pocket with short runs on ball where he made his name. Smith CHF. Pre use full forward. Can Petty play forward. Try that at Casey. He's got the size. 

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I'm not against giving Weed a run in defence. Worth a try.

[old dee 24,083]

Sadly the cupboard is bare with our injury list we are only going to be changing the deck chairs at present.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

I just tried to think of some changes but I have no idea who actually could come in.

Our depth is woeful.

[Adzman 2,154]

I think the club needs to make some decisions on a few players heading into next season, and would suggest those with question marks get a game. They need to see if players like Petty, Keilty, Maynard and Baker are worth investing beyond 2019. Only way to see if they are up to it is to play them.

 

[don cordner4 55]

Not to fussed on changes, please just drop ANB and never play him again

[Diamond_Jim 12,773]

Not much use sending Weideman to  Casey. The same with Hunt.

They need to be played until the bye at least and then reviewed.

Keep Garlett in and hopefully he is replaced by an in form Spargo after the bye.

Watch for a game or two to play Petty and surely Keilty deserves a shot at some stage.

And of course change the gameplan. Goodwin is in danger of losing the playing group if he continues with it.

Doesn't matter one way or the other if we win against the Hawks but lose in the manner we have every game this season and the morale will plummet.

[Red and Blue realist 2,063]

2 hours ago, Deehumanizing said:

So who do you think has done a better job down taking the best opposition forward? Frost's best position is as an intercept marker and for the last few years has been encouraged to run and carry. It shows he is versatile and only matched for that by Salem and Fritch who are also being played out of position. 

Frost is not an intercept marker at all, he doesn't have the ability to read the play well enough for that. Hore has been doing this over the last few weeks and has probably been our best defender, but it's really hard to give any of them a pass mark this year. Salem is probably the only one, Frost, Hibberd, omac, Jetta have all been very ordinary. I was happy to see Hibberd in a different role, and thought tmac got better as the game went on, but our defence as a whole has been bad all year

[demon3165 2,865]

4 hours ago, buck_nekkid said:

Some time to pause and reset.

Send Viney if fit to half back.  Give him time to man up, tackle and dispose of it without being panicky every time he goes near it.  

Send Weid to a wing.  Put Brayshaw on the other.  

Have a forward line of Preuss, Keilty, Smith, Frisch , Melksham, and try Bedford.

Lewis and Jones both out.  Petty, Frost, Salem, Hunt, Viney and Hibbard as back 6

Middle of Gawn, Oliver, Harmes, Maynard.

Bench of TMac, Stretch,  Trac, C Wagner 

 

Viney to half back he cannot kick over 30 metres is slow as hell might as well not pick him and leave us one short.

[Moonshadow 17,678]

5 hours ago, america de cali said:

Drop Jones. The embodiment to why we are so bad at the moment. He was well and truly finished last season. Playing favourites who can’t cut it any more. 

The guy that won the game for us against the Swans? Yeah, right.

[FarNorthernD 5,863]

3 hours ago, Canplay said:

Out :  McCartney, Rooke, Chaplin

In :   Hird, Yze and J Lewis (backline coach after playing farewell game vs hawks next week)

You want Hird to come to our Club? I propose a Demonland life ban for you

[demon3165 2,865]

3 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

The guy that won the game for us against the Swans? Yeah, right.

The swans play the same way we did and were are they on ladder? Jones has been a servant of the club no doubt but he is to slow cannot think his way through in the modern game time for him to explore other options.

[What 18,810]

7 hours ago, The Tractor said:

Petracca OUT

He is so soft. 

 

Might be the 'attitude' problems that we heard about at draft time and why the Saints didnt take him.

Trac just wants to be everyones friend, even the oppositions it seems.   Has no mongrel.  No killer instinct.  Its a damn shame.