Training - Wednesday, 27th March 2019

[Lucifers Hero 39,811]

32 minutes ago, sue said:

I'm amazed about the negative comments about Jone's dropped mark.  Some posters are almost saying he squibbed it.  Seemed clear to me he took his eyes off the ball because he wanted to see who was downfield for a quick pass.  A mistake, but that's all.  

I agree he did not squib it, just took his eyes off the ball.

I don't agree tho that he was looking downfield for a quick pass:  he was 25m from goal and had no intention of passing it. 

Really he should not have called for it in the first place:  Tom Mc had marked and his position was not much different to Jones; possibly better for a right foot kicker to swing round and open the goal face.  Selfish call by Jones.

Edited March 27, 2019 by Lucifer's Hero

[Demons11 7,014]

11 hours ago, chookrat said:

Nathan Jones should not be laughing, let alone raucously, he should be focussed on training not having fun. AFL players need to realise that they can have as much fun as the like after their AFL careers are over but until then we pay memberships and attend games and therefore they have no rights and must show us they leave no stone unturned to improve their performance. 

Get a grip mate.  It’s a training run and the players should be out there enjoying themselves. 

[Lucifers Hero 39,811]

8 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

Get a grip mate.  It’s a training run and the players should be out there enjoying themselves. 

'chookrat' was joking.

Edited March 27, 2019 by Lucifer's Hero

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

16 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I agree he did not squib it, just took his eyes off the ball.

I don't agree tho that he was looking downfield for a quick pass:  he was 25m from goal and had no intention of passing it.  Really he should not have called for it in the first place:  Tom Mc had marked and his position was not much different to Jones; possibly better for a right foot kicker.  Selfish play by Jones.

Not sure what you were watching. 

Tom was about 60 out on no better than a 45 degree angle. 

He kicked it to Jones who was 40 out directly in front. 

Edited March 27, 2019 by stevethemanjordan

[Lucifers Hero 39,811]

1 minute ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Not sure what you were watching. 

Tom was about 60 out on no better than a 45 degree angle. 

He kicked it to Jones who was 40 out directly in front. 

Not sure how it looked on TV but I recall Tom Mc being well within the 50 and Jones was right in front of me about 25 mt out, on an angle.  As I said Tom could open the face of the goal to better the 45 degr angle. 

Would be interesting to see what the tv cameras picked up but I don't have access to replays.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

1 minute ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Not sure how it looked on TV but I recall Tom Mc being well within the 50 and Jones was right in front of me about 25 mt out, on an angle.  As I said Tom could open the face of the goal to better the 45 degr angle. 

Would be interesting to see what the tv cameras picked up but I don't have access to replays.

I was second level on the wing. 

Jones was in a far better position and was significantly closer to goal. 

Jones fluffed it. Never seen him do it in his career. Game changing moment. 

[Robot Devil 1,895]

Here’s the tape for those brave enough to review it. 

 

https://m.afl.com.au/video/2019-03-23/skipper-drops-a-sitter-pays-full-price

Tom Mc looked like he was 60 out when he passed it to Jones who was about 45 out directly in front. 

Edited March 27, 2019 by Robot Devil

[Wiseblood 24,637]

1 minute ago, Robot Devil said:

Here’s the tape for those brave enough to review it. 

 

https://m.afl.com.au/video/2019-03-23/skipper-drops-a-sitter-pays-full-price

 

@stevethemanjordan spot on with his memory.

I felt sick watching it, though.

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

3 minutes ago, Robot Devil said:

Here’s the tape for those brave enough to review it. 

 

https://m.afl.com.au/video/2019-03-23/skipper-drops-a-sitter-pays-full-price

 

Bloody Watts playing the goalkeeper, why don’t we ever use a sweeper? Unlucky Sparrow, kick nearly carried. 

[Demon17 5,188]

43 minutes ago, sue said:

I'm amazed about the negative comments about Jone's dropped mark.  Some posters are almost saying he squibbed it.  Seemed clear to me he took his eyes off the ball because he wanted to see who was downfield for a quick pass.  A mistake, but that's all.  

Squibbing is a terrible word and did not occur here by Nathan.

But he did drop a mark at a critical time that would not have been fumbled by Selwood, Cotchin, Pendlebury, Hodge, Hurn, Lyon, Viney(T), etc......

[jackaub 1,402]

35 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I agree he did not squib it, just took his eyes off the ball.

I don't agree tho that he was looking downfield for a quick pass:  he was 25m from goal and had no intention of passing it. 

Really he should not have called for it in the first place:  Tom Mc had marked and his position was not much different to Jones; possibly better for a right foot kicker to swing round and open the goal face.  Selfish call by Jones.

Jones tries too hard and covers lack of skill with desire and hardness

He has always called for the ball throughout his career

Usually he is in a poor position but his teammates have always honoured the call

Sadly time is just about up for the skipper

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,755]

A couple of posts over the week have referred to Jones playing after having been numbed with a jab or, perhaps, more than one jab. However, I haven't seen any coverage of what required an injection and when. (Before the game? During the game?) Is it possible that Jones dropped his marks because of the numbing effect of those any such injections? In other words, had he lost sufficient feeling, perhaps in his shoulder(s), to interfere with the split second timing taking a mark requires?

[beelzebub 23,376]

Big difference between shirking. .and just stuffing up.

[Devil is in the Detail 883]

42 minutes ago, Robot Devil said:

Here’s the tape for those brave enough to review it. 

 

https://m.afl.com.au/video/2019-03-23/skipper-drops-a-sitter-pays-full-price

Tom Mc looked like he was 60 out when he passed it to Jones who was about 45 out directly in front. 

We all talk about lack of effort from our midfield. Watch Boak in that passage of play.

[Moonshadow 17,676]

1 hour ago, sue said:

I'm amazed about the negative comments about Jone's dropped mark.  Some posters are almost saying he squibbed it.  Seemed clear to me he took his eyes off the ball because he wanted to see who was downfield for a quick pass.  A mistake, but that's all.  

You do realise his dropped mark 40m out and following slingshot back to Port's goal was a 12 point turnaround? That momentum killer was a 'game over' moment.

[Demons1858 1,760]

8 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

I was told to keep it to myself last year which I did, I explained that last year Cap'n, whether you believe me or not I really don't care

Missed any earlier discussion on this but it seems your actually saying the club deliberately mislead supporters last year about Viney and his injuries. Thats a disappointing outcome if true. 

Don't want to hear another poster stifling debate about the communication and management of injuries with worn out statements about posters like 'we are not medical professionals', 'we are not on the inner sanctum', 'I will place faith in the leaders of the club to manage injuries'.

[Willmoy1947 4,089]

We are very sad supporters........in my best Elmer Fudd voice.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

5 minutes ago, Demons1858 said:

Missed any earlier discussion on this but it seems your actually saying the club deliberately mislead supporters last year about Viney and his injuries. Thats a disappointing outcome if true. 

It's convenient for him to say that, though.  It's his out.  He either didn't know anything and is trying to look like he did, or blatantly lied to everyone when he didn't need to say anything.  I mean, why say everything is fine when it's going to come out that it isn't?  It makes him look like a fool either way.

[Moonshadow 17,676]

9 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

I was told to keep it to myself last year which I did, I explained that last year Cap'n, whether you believe me or not I really don't care

 

Hahaha, yeh, sure you were

[binman 42,972]

56 minutes ago, Demon17 said:

 

But he did drop a mark at a critical time that would not have been fumbled by Selwood, Cotchin, Pendlebury, Hodge, Hurn, Lyon, Viney(T), etc......

That's not true. All players, even the best ones have dropped a sitter at some point. 

[drysdale demon 4,836]

1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Not sure how it looked on TV but I recall Tom Mc being well within the 50 and Jones was right in front of me about 25 mt out, on an angle.  As I said Tom could open the face of the goal to better the 45 degr angle. 

Would be interesting to see what the tv cameras picked up but I don't have access to replays.

I'm afraid I have to agree with stevethemanjordan on this one ,Jones was 5 to 10 metres inside the 50 metre arc when he missed the mark.

[drysdale demon 4,836]

5 minutes ago, binman said:

That's not true. All players, even the best ones have dropped a sitter at some point. 

That's true, just about every player that has ever played has dropped a sitter at some stage.

[Laughing Goat 308]

10 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

What a pathetic comment about a player who has put his body on the line for this club for over10 years

Putting your body on the line for your club for 10 years doesn't give you the absolute right to be selected every week? Having had 3 contested possessions & 1 tackle in last weeks game, & then saying openly 'the players need to show more physicality'......is just taking the pi55.

Especially one of our leaders, he needs to show exactly that 'leadership'...... & unfortunately he was a long way off.

[Lucifers Hero 39,811]

2 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Not sure what you were watching. 

Tom was about 60 out on no better than a 45 degree angle. 

He kicked it to Jones who was 40 out directly in front. 

You were right.

1 hour ago, Robot Devil said:

Here’s the tape for those brave enough to review it. 

 

https://m.afl.com.au/video/2019-03-23/skipper-drops-a-sitter-pays-full-price

Tom Mc looked like he was 60 out when he passed it to Jones who was about 45 out directly in front. 

Thanks for that.

Seeing the replay, Jones did well to get the ball to Sparrow.  A very nice kick from our debutant and if the kick was a few centimeters higher Watts wouldn't have marked it on the line.  A shame we didn't have someone back there to shepherd it thru. 

[chook fowler 19,459]

54 minutes ago, binman said:

That's not true. All players, even the best ones have dropped a sitter at some point. 

i think if we had been 10 goals up it would have gone un-noticed - it was a crucial time in the match and the ball went up the other end for a goal and so it was a 12 point turn around. Unfortunately it seems time is catching up with Chunk - his decision making and disposal is not what it used to be.