Diamond_Jim 12,777 Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 On 10/03/2019 at 05:38, Dee Zephyr said: If Casey have another practice match next week do any of Jones, Melksham, Viney (depending on how he’s pulled up) get given a run again? I’m not suggesting they should, only curious to see if they need more minutes. I remember Hannan getting a Round 1 game in 2017 on the back of only one Casey scratch match the week prior to the opener that year. Expand On the Casey website they have yesterday's match listed as the only practice game. Hard to believe given the VFL season does not start until April 7. Perhaps the other games are not listed https://www.melbournefc.com.au/casey-demons/vfl/fixture 1 Quote
whatwhat say what 23,868 Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 anyone who leaves lewis out of round 1 needs their head read 5 Quote
Dee Zephyr 19,322 Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 On 10/03/2019 at 05:47, picket fence said: Lewis game has gone past him Expand I might have been thinking this could be a possibility coming into the season but definitely not thinking the above now on his two outings so far against Pies and Lions. He was very good in both. 2 Quote
Dee Zephyr 19,322 Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 On 10/03/2019 at 05:48, Diamond_Jim said: On the Casey website they have yesterday's match listed as the only practice game. Hard to believe given the VFL season does not start until April 7. Perhaps the other games are not listed https://www.melbournefc.com.au/casey-demons/vfl/fixture Expand Cheers DJ, just had a look at the VFL website. We have matches on the 24th and 30th according to the site. https://vfl.com.au/2019-practice-match-schedule/ 2 Quote
dl4e 5,851 Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 People you can be sure of one thing about the round 1 team. Both ANB and OMAC will play. Personally I would prefer Frost to OMAC because of Ryder but that won't be the case. If May gets done then both may play. Also why Jones on the wing. With Garlett and Hannan out couldn't he play forward pocket ? Hunt on the wing. Quote
David Williamson 37 Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 Any side with Stretch is surely taking the Mickey. He is so fundamentally flawed at AFL level. He butchers it like we haven't seen since J Grimes. Absolute howlers. We are meant to be a serious football side now. Quote
Wadda We Sing 10,685 Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) On 10/03/2019 at 05:47, picket fence said: Huge doubt on Viney re fitness May is in Strife I feel Stretch , Keilty, JKH ( even if fit not up to it) Oscar is too slow Lewis game has gone past him I would like to see B Nev May Hibberd HB Fritch Frost Salem C Hunt Brayshaw Jones HF Petracca Weeds Melksham F Smith Tommy Hannan R Maxxy Clarry Harmes ( if fit) Inter Spargo Viney Chandler Hore Expand ......dont jump !! Edited March 10, 2019 by Wadda We Sing 1 Quote
Wiseblood 24,637 Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 On 10/03/2019 at 06:33, David Williamson said: Any side with Stretch is surely taking the Mickey. He is so fundamentally flawed at AFL level. He butchers it like we haven't seen since J Grimes. Absolute howlers. We are meant to be a serious football side now. Expand It's a shame really, as I find he has no trouble finding the footy and getting to the right spots at AFL level. He is actually a handy wingman, as his 19 touches, 10 marks on the weekend suggest. But, as you say, he does turn it over a bit and that takes away his value to the side. I'd like to think he can clean up that aspect of his game as he could become a good role player for the side. 1 Quote
DV8 2,271 Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 On 10/03/2019 at 02:33, Wadda We Sing said: Werridee? Expand Not best 22 atmo, 'WWS'. 1 Quote
Laughing Goat 308 Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 My starting line up..... B Hibberd May Jetta HB Fritsch O Mac Salem C Jones Viney Harmes HF Petracca Weed Melksham F J Smith T Mac AVB Ruck Gawn Oliver Brayshaw IC Spargo, ANB, Lewis, Hore Em Hunt, Stretch, C, Wagner, Sparrow (Sam Weeds & Spargo line ball......) Quote
kallangurdemon 551 Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 On 10/03/2019 at 05:47, picket fence said: Huge doubt on Viney re fitness May is in Strife I feel Stretch , Keilty, JKH ( even if fit not up to it) Oscar is too slow Lewis game has gone past him I would like to see B Nev May Hibberd HB Fritch Frost Salem C Hunt Brayshaw Jones HF Petracca Weeds Melksham F Smith Tommy Hannan R Maxxy Clarry Harmes ( if fit) Inter Spargo Viney Chandler Horel Expand not as huge as the doubt on Hannans fitness. 2 Quote
picket fence 18,189 Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 On 10/03/2019 at 06:43, Wiseblood said: It's a shame really, as I find he has no trouble finding the footy and getting to the right spots at AFL level. He is actually a handy wingman, as his 19 touches, 10 marks on the weekend suggest. But, as you say, he does turn it over a bit and that takes away his value to the side. I'd like to think he can clean up that aspect of his game as he could become a good role player for the side. Expand He is a poor mans Morton nuff said! Quote
Demon Dude 430 Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 B-Jetta May Hibberd HB-Hore Frost Salem C-VDB Harmes Fritsch HF-Melk Weid Spargo F-J.Smith TMac Hunt R-Gawn Gus Oliver int- Jones Lewis Petracca ANB I'm a fan of the 2 tall defenders and a mid sized who can play a bit taller, like Hore can. I also prefer Frost for his pace over Oscar. I'd be willing to live with his deficiencies more than Oscars, but I also concede that they will likely stick with Oscar. same for the forward line. 2 talls in Weid and TMac, plus the mid sized Smith who adds a bit of a mismatch with his pace and leap. didn't mind the look of Hunt up forward yesterday. leads straight and fast, which draws the eye for the ball carrier, and that should only help our inside 50 delivery. also his pace would make defenders nervous and we need him as another defensive forward option as teams have been strolling out of our F50 far too easily. i'd play Spargo up the ground a bit further where he can use his smarts and skills more, and Hunt closer to goal, where he doesn't have to. Stretch is no good. turns it over, can only run in straight lines and is slow to take the game on. not what you need from your winger. he is depth only. I don't think Viney will be there for R1. sounds like an injury setback for him when he was cutting it tight as it was. hopefully i'm wrong, but I also don't want them to take any unnecessary risks with him either. he's too important. Quote
David Williamson 37 Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 On 10/03/2019 at 06:43, Wiseblood said: It's a shame really, as I find he has no trouble finding the footy and getting to the right spots at AFL level. He is actually a handy wingman, as his 19 touches, 10 marks on the weekend suggest. But, as you say, he does turn it over a bit and that takes away his value to the side. I'd like to think he can clean up that aspect of his game as he could become a good role player for the side. Expand Agree with what you are saying, but it's a combination of both decision making and execution. Both are poor and he really shouldn't be in our AFL side if we are serious this year. Quote
DV8 2,271 Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 On 10/03/2019 at 05:47, picket fence said: Huge doubt on Viney re fitness May is in Strife I feel Stretch , Keilty, JKH ( even if fit not up to it) Oscar is too slow Lewis game has gone past him I would like to see B Nev May Hibberd HB Fritch Frost Salem C Hunt Brayshaw Jones HF Petracca Weeds Melksham F Smith Tommy Hannan R Maxxy Clarry Harmes ( if fit) Inter Spargo Viney Chandler Hore Expand Why do you like TMc deep forward ? Quote
58er 6,872 Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 On 10/03/2019 at 06:38, Wadda We Sing said: ......dont jump !! Expand Hannan is out injured till about the bye !!! On 10/03/2019 at 07:23, DV8 said: Why do you like TMc deep forward ? Expand Quote
Guest Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 I think that the discussion between Oscar and Frosty will end in a similar way to the Max vs Spencil debate. Around 2013/2014, there was some debate who would be the heir to Russian's ruck position. I always felt that Spencil, despite his determination, didn't have the basics to be a genuine starting 22 player. He was a trier and cracked in, but lacked the physical gifts. I saw a much higher ceiling on Max and ultimately turned out to be correct. Sadly, unless Oscar hits the gym (and the refrigerator) and suddenly gains better reflexes, he will always be exposed. Frosty has athleticism to burn but his issue is his disposal and decision making. The latter problems for mine are easier to fix. Quote
58er 6,872 Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 On 10/03/2019 at 05:55, whatwhatsaywhat said: anyone who leaves lewis out of round 1 needs their head read Expand Agree to think Hore will take Lewy's spot is fanciful. On 10/03/2019 at 07:28, 58er said: Hannan is out injured till about the bye !!! Expand Quote
whatwhat say what 23,868 Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 On 10/03/2019 at 07:30, Hillary Bray said: Sadly, unless Oscar hits the gym (and the refrigerator) and suddenly gains better reflexes, he will always be exposed. Frosty has athleticism to burn but his issue is his disposal and decision making. The latter problems for mine are easier to fix. Expand See, I sit in the opposite camp - O Mac can read the ball in flight and dispose of it cleanly which makes up for his lack of sheer size Frost is hopeless when the ball comes in high and his disposal makes Brayshaw look clean with his possession 1 Quote
dazzledavey36 56,347 Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 On 10/03/2019 at 05:47, picket fence said: Huge doubt on Viney re fitness May is in Strife I feel Stretch , Keilty, JKH ( even if fit not up to it) Oscar is too slow Lewis game has gone past him I would like to see B Nev May Hibberd HB Fritch Frost Salem C Hunt Brayshaw Jones HF Petracca Weeds Melksham F Smith Tommy Hannan R Maxxy Clarry Harmes ( if fit) Inter Spargo Viney Chandler Hore Expand You do Hannan is expected to miss about 8 weeks right? Quote
DeeSpencer 26,691 Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 FB: Jetta Oscar Hibberd HB: Salem May Lewis C; Fritsch Oliver Vanders HF: ANB T Mc Petracca HF: Melksham Weid Spargo Foll: Gawn Brayshaw Harmes Int: Hore (back), Viney (mid), Jones (wing), J Smith (fwd) Emerg: Frost, C. Wagner, Hunt, Stretch Smokies: Petty, Chandler There's big doubts on Viney, May and Harmes but the hope is they all get over the line. Frost is the May replacement. Vanders and Jones move inside and/or Salem mid and Hunt/Stretch come in for Viney and Harmes if needed you'd think. I have concerns with Oscar, ANB, Hore and J Smith as well but when it comes to the final side I think they'll go closest to what worked for us last year. You could go with Frost, C Wagner and Stretch instead but is that any better? Roll the dice on kids? From the Eagles game last year it's out Tyson (Fritsch), Hannan (J Smith forward), Smith as a defender (Hore) and Frost (May). Quote
DeeSpencer 26,691 Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 On 10/03/2019 at 03:56, goodoil said: Agree with this. Unfortunately despite his good attributes - high effort, endurance, great clubman - he has major deficiencies. He doesn't crack in, he takes circular approaches to the football and to his opponent so he very rarely ever bodylines the ball or the man to put himself in danger. He is actually one of the softest players in the side. He is poor overhead and not a one touch footballer or a good user by foot. What he does OK is create an outnumber to be able to lock the ball in He is clearly instructed to take on a under 12s approach whereby he just chases the ball to add number to the contest and he does that very well to lock the ball in. This is where his tackle stats come from. Unfortunately, the Eagles cruelly exposed this tactic in the first quarter of the preliminary final. Expand Excellent post, some of his defensive gut running is brilliant, but some of it is him running passed a team mate who should be manning their own man and creating 2 on 1 that leaves a free guy. The beauty of Richmond's defensive work is every forward chases and pressures and creates turnover chances by covering all the opponents. ANB also doesn't nail enough tackles, he has to stick them to be at his best defensively. I think his work rate to get the ball is a little underappreciated but yeah he's not strong at the contest and doesn't use it well. Maybe a silver lining is that back with a more familiar team around him his decision making becomes easier. The way he spins round in circles to evade isn't a good thing but it is predictable for team mates. His more experienced team mates probably read what he'll do faster than some of the guys he played with this preseason Quote
dee-tox 4,835 Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 Some good commentary here and then there's Picket Fence! Anyway, Stretch has a few fundamental flaws. When he is running with the ball it sways it from side to side in his hands like a metronome. Must impact his ball drop. As previously pointed out he only runs in straight lines as well. His good mate ANB also struggles with his disposal and taking the ball cleanly. Poor overhead and his tackles don't stick.. These are two important outside runners. We need KK to come good or re-train Hunt. 2 Quote
WERRIDEE 5,638 Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 What everyone looks forward to my best 22. B: JETTA, MAY, JORDON HB: HIBBERD, FROST, LEWIS C : SALEM, OLIVER, HARMES HF: PETRACCA, T.MCDONALD, FRITSCH F: MELKSHAM, WEIDEMAN, J.SMITH FOLL: GAWN, VINEY, BRAYSHAW IC: JONES, VANDENBERG, NEAL-BULLEN, HUNT EMERG: STRETCH, O.MCDONALD, HORE, SPARGO 3 3 Quote
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